Victorian Female Batman???

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WISHIMAY

Thursday, July 16, 2015 9:45 AM

In other words THEY DIDN'T GET SEXUAL TRAINING UNTIL THEY WERE ADULTS. What the "adult age of consent" is in the "Verse" is probably up for debate.

She could have stopped at any time, as she was an ADULT. She CHOSE to do it for a decade. Nandi left, so it's reasonable to assume anyone else could've. Nandi just re-used the training she already had in another way, so it's clear she didn't hate the idea either.

We "brainwash" kids of 12 to be gymnasts because they show a certain aptitude, working them until puberty itself is delayed. They start gifted kids in elementary school to be whatever we think they should be, because they don't know what they want.

As to the relationship aspect, many people are torn between a job they love and starting a relationship with a person. She was having a hard time with deciding to join the Independents and give up her own personal independence, she clearly had no qualms about the job, as she defended it to multiple people.

You just really can't understand or accept that not everyone is set up for monogamy. I thinks this is WAY more about you and your sexual inhibitions than Inara.

"It is NOT our mission to impose Federation or Earth values on any others in the Galaxy" -Captain Jean-Luc Picard

THGRRI

Thursday, July 16, 2015 8:31 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
In other words THEY DIDN'T GET SEXUAL TRAINING UNTIL THEY WERE ADULTS. What the "adult age of consent" is in the "Verse" is probably up for debate.

Wish, if you think it is acceptable to start training girls from the age of 12 to be prostitutes than we have nothing further to discuss here. Have a good day.

WISHIMAY

Thursday, July 16, 2015 9:49 PM

You ain't getting it.... THERE WAS NO SEXUAL TRAINING UNTIL ADULTHOOD.

NO one touched them or even talked to them about sex. They taught culture and how to control oneself. It was like a finishing school. I'm sure it was more like they had to graduate that course before they could register as a companion.

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THGRRI

Thursday, July 16, 2015 10:53 PM

No Wish you don't get it. Brainwashing is an invasive form of influence, it requires the complete isolation and dependency of the subject. Inara who at the time was twelve, was placed within the confines of the academy separated from all outside influences.

In psychology the study of brainwashing often referred to as thought reform, falls into the sphere of "social influence." Social influence happens every minute of every day. It's the collection of ways in which people can change other people's attitudes, beliefs and behaviors.

You are speaking to a subject you know nothing about and refusing to see because you are a fan. Me too but reality is reality.

WISHIMAY

Friday, July 17, 2015 2:37 AM

I'm trying to say you are speaking of things you do not know, that was not revealed. All we know is they were sent to a school at 12-ish, as are many children even today. We know they were taught music, and self control. We know Nandi LEFT so it's voluntary.

I'm saying that's all we've got to go on. Joss made sure to include that line about learning control for YEARS. I don't think they were sent to a training house specifically to be companions, but for intensive cultural training that most likely included children being groomed for the ruling class as well(she sure seemed to know a LOT of 'em). I'm sure had there been more material, this would've been clarified. We do know there were men that were companions, so this wasn't just about women...

I will say that traveler cultures tend to marry kids off young, so maybe the age of consent was 16. This isn't even EARTH we are talking about anyway. The culture has evolved and de-evolved into something else entirely. I do not believe the intent was pedophilia, but something closer to Geisha training (which did not include sex either)

You are babbling about Joss not writing enough man-specific material, then you call him a pedophile, and he has a "girl fetish", now it's brainwash the kids time. If you think he has such nefarious intent WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?????

ZEEK

Friday, July 17, 2015 9:39 PM

Even if we go off of the assumption that Inara was brainwashed into sex slavery are we then saying that writers aren't allowed to write about things they don't personally accept? Is a murder mystery writer condoning murder?

I think Dollhouse is a much better example than Inara. Joss was writing about people who were coerced into selling themselves into a form of slavery and prostitution. He often said in interviews that the subject matter was intended to be uncomfortable to the audience. He was trying to get the audience to think about the situation and what they believe would be right or wrong with such technology. I really doubt he was saying that everything that happened on the show to the characters he created was perfectly acceptable.

THGRRI

Saturday, July 18, 2015 8:23 AM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Even if we go off of the assumption that Inara was brainwashed into sex slavery are we then saying that writers aren't allowed to write about things they don't personally accept? Is a murder mystery writer condoning murder?

I think Dollhouse is a much better example than Inara. Joss was writing about people who were coerced into selling themselves into a form of slavery and prostitution. He often said in interviews that the subject matter was intended to be uncomfortable to the audience. He was trying to get the audience to think about the situation and what they believe would be right or wrong with such technology. I really doubt he was saying that everything that happened on the show to the characters he created was perfectly acceptable.

I only pointed out the obvious about Inara's upbringing to show some cause for her troubles hooking up with Mal. She was struggling with her belief in a culture she was raised to revere and her feelings for him. I did not pass judgment on Joss for creating her character the way he did. Some get confused and defensive about anything that they perceive as an attack on Joss or the show to the point of suggesting it is acceptable to put girls as young as 12 on a path to prostitution; its amazing.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, July 18, 2015 9:46 AM

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Some get confused and defensive...

Passive aggressive much???

She wasn't at all confused about being a Companion, she was reticent to join the Independents!!!

It's clear when they meet and are hashing over shuttle details that she comes from a higher class, and leaving being a Companion would mean hitching her star to a damn near penniless CARGO FREIGHT CAPTAIN.
SHE initially looked down on HIM, and it took her a whike to realize he had the kind of fire and passion that she was looking for.

ZEEK

Monday, July 20, 2015 9:49 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
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Originally posted by Zeek:
Even if we go off of the assumption that Inara was brainwashed into sex slavery are we then saying that writers aren't allowed to write about things they don't personally accept? Is a murder mystery writer condoning murder?

I think Dollhouse is a much better example than Inara. Joss was writing about people who were coerced into selling themselves into a form of slavery and prostitution. He often said in interviews that the subject matter was intended to be uncomfortable to the audience. He was trying to get the audience to think about the situation and what they believe would be right or wrong with such technology. I really doubt he was saying that everything that happened on the show to the characters he created was perfectly acceptable.

I only pointed out the obvious about Inara's upbringing to show some cause for her troubles hooking up with Mal. She was struggling with her belief in a culture she was raised to revere and her feelings for him. I did not pass judgment on Joss for creating her character the way he did. Some get confused and defensive about anything that they perceive as an attack on Joss or the show to the point of suggesting it is acceptable to put girls as young as 12 on a path to prostitution; its amazing.

What about it makes you think Joss believes that's acceptable? The alliance murdered a planet full of people trying to control them. Just because he wrote it doesn't mean he thinks it would be acceptable.

THGRRI

Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:08 AM

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Zeek
What about it makes you think Joss believes that's acceptable? The alliance murdered a planet full of people trying to control them. Just because he wrote it doesn't mean he thinks it would be acceptable.

I don't make any claims that Joss condones the behavior exhibited by his characters. It is a TV show. I am speaking about the characters and the social structure of society as portrayed in the show in some instances, and what I think motivates Joss in others. There are some here who can't differentiate when I am speaking about one and then the other. They interpret my posts as though there is no separation.

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