OK THIS MAY BE OBVIOUS FOR SOME!!!

POSTED BY: JenDandy
UPDATED: Friday, October 22, 2004 04:42
VIEWED: 19552
PAGE 1 of 1

JENDANDY

Sunday, October 17, 2004 1:21 AM

But for those just coming in, if you view any thread at all today, make sure you scroll down VERY SLOWLY and if you see the name Troll12321 pop up DON'T SCROLL ANY FURTHER! I've done this by accident 2x, and you don't want to see what this person has a photo of.

Sig Rebel

JEBBYPAL

Sunday, October 17, 2004 1:34 AM

bump....and the hundan seems to be hiding behind idea he was doing it to show us what crappy security we have....actually posted words when i said i wouldn't mind site going down while Haken hopefully fixes it

The Strawberry Monkey who defends tight pants everywhere!

GOJIRO

Sunday, October 17, 2004 1:38 AM

And don't click on any images in the blue sun room. Once they finish loading, it pops up that disgusting image.

Hey hackers!

gojiro

JEBBYPAL

Sunday, October 17, 2004 1:40 AM

actually just about everything does. Idiot obviously has way too much time on his hands and no life as well as no respect for the time people put into their own works.

BTW, he has found a way to post the image directly to the comments in blue sun room fics so that the code guildsister has to prevent the site from popping up isn't a cure all

The Strawberry Monkey who defends tight pants everywhere!

TROLL12321

Sunday, October 17, 2004 1:42 AM

EDIT:Removed Data that was here.

GOJIRO

Sunday, October 17, 2004 1:47 AM

You can be prosecuted and I hope Haken will do it. I doubt your real name is David Casey, but you can be traced. I've already called a friend of mine who specializes in computer forensics, and he's going to take a look and see what he can do. (And yes, he's a cop.)

Why would you even do this? What purpose does it serve?

gojiro

NEROLI

Sunday, October 17, 2004 1:49 AM

I still don't understand what it is you are trying to prove by using that picture...or by doing it at all. If you felt the security needed to be upgraded wouldn't an email to the administrator of this site or a thread to that effect have been the more mature way to make your views known?

So, to me, you are still no better than someone that hacks sites with malicious intent because you chose to use the crudest, most harmful way of making your point known.

The Old Broad Monkey

http://lurid-eidolon.org/fireflyawards/index.php

CREVANREAVER

Sunday, October 17, 2004 1:54 AM

What is the picture of?

TROLL12321

Sunday, October 17, 2004 2:02 AM

I just decided to do it, nothing more, nothing less.
Well I am out.
later All.

JUKO

Sunday, October 17, 2004 2:03 AM

It involves a bodily function, and is really not something most folks want to see conseidering as this board is USED BY KIDS!

I hope this twerp gets nailed to the wall.

Does Blue Sun sponser the Blue Man Group?

JENDANDY

Sunday, October 17, 2004 2:42 AM

You know, I never got a real good look at that picture (still don't even know what exactly it was) and I'm glad I chose to look away when I did - I don't think I want that image burned into my brain.

Thank God I didn't look at this thread earlier and that photo is gone from it now. Maybe things will get back to normal here soon.

Sig Rebel

11THHOUR

Sunday, October 17, 2004 2:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gojiro:
You can be prosecuted and I hope Haken will do it. I doubt your real name is David Casey, but you can be traced. I've already called a friend of mine who specializes in computer forensics, and he's going to take a look and see what he can do. (And yes, he's a cop.)

You're my HERO!!!

Please make sure some serious hurt is done to this toad.

Scare him 'till he does what was shown in that charming picture he shared.

11thHour

SERENITYSRIVER

Sunday, October 17, 2004 3:25 AM

Just as long as he doesn't post a pic of THAT, 11thhour. . . .

I did see the image, in full detail, and I hope to goddess that doesn't get stuck in my head for too long. . . .

And as far as my thoughts on the troll, I shall express them through art:

"Ten percent of nothin', well, let's see, that's nothin' add nothin', carry the nothin'. . . ."

SERENITYSRIVER

Sunday, October 17, 2004 3:25 AM

sorry. . . computer tried to post my beautiful tableau twice. . . .

FIVEBYFIVE

Sunday, October 17, 2004 3:36 AM

All I can say is I picked the WRONG DAMN DAY to come back to these forums.

Jesus, I leave for two months and look what happens.

----------------------------
5x5: Alan Tudyk was in 28 Days, not 28 Days Later. There's a difference.
Paladin: So, no wacky zombie with a Hawaiian shirt, then?

11THHOUR

Sunday, October 17, 2004 3:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SerenitysRiver:
Just as long as he doesn't post a pic of THAT, 11thhour. . . .

Ick... ya got that right. Actually, I'd just rather see his mug shot, full front and profile... complete with sloping forehead.

Quote:
I did see the image, in full detail, and I hope to goddess that doesn't get stuck in my head for too long. . . .

Yeah, it was powerful repulsive... kinda burns itself into the brain cells real fast like a corrosive acid. The trick is to look away before hysterical blindness ensues...

Just start thinking about things you really like, fill your mind with beautiful, happy images. Like lines around the block for Serenity... our shiny crew laughing and having dinner at the big table... Mal, nekkid... River dancing... Kaylee laughing... Jayne's rowdy playfulness... Mal, nekkid... Book's smooth deep voice... Inara's sultry lovliness... Mal, nekkid... Wash's hi-larious humor... Zoe's dangerous beauty... Simon's youthful handsomeness... Mal, nekkid...

Quote:
And as far as my thoughts on the troll, I shall express them through art:

You have expressed yourself most eloquently.

SHINY

Sunday, October 17, 2004 3:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gojiro:
You can be prosecuted and I hope Haken will do it. I doubt your real name is David Casey, but you can be traced. I've already called a friend of mine who specializes in computer forensics, and he's going to take a look and see what he can do. (And yes, he's a cop.)

If your cop friend has connections at Sprint, let us know. Haken traced the IP address and it's a Sprint dial-up account.

Jayne, your mouth is talkin. Might want to look into that.

DRE

Sunday, October 17, 2004 3:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gojiro:
You can be prosecuted and I hope Haken will do it. I doubt your real name is David Casey, but you can be traced. I've already called a friend of mine who specializes in computer forensics, and he's going to take a look and see what he can do. (And yes, he's a cop.)

gojiro

I was wonderin' when this would show up. I know it can be done and I'd like to see people do it more often :evilgrin:

Good job Haken & Co.

IKIYO.
DRE

EMBERS

Sunday, October 17, 2004 3:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 11thHour:
Quote:
Originally posted by gojiro:
You can be prosecuted and I hope Haken will do it. I doubt your real name is David Casey, but you can be traced. I've already called a friend of mine who specializes in computer forensics, and he's going to take a look and see what he can do. (And yes, he's a cop.)

You're my HERO!!! -11thHour

I agree this nasty destructive person should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

This ridiculous excuse about security doesn't stand up to logic...the extremely offensive anti-social behavior should lead to fines and a police record.

I believe in freedom of speech, and I have always loved how Haken has allowed the browncoats so much latitude in posting pictures and stories, but for someone to come in here to try to damage this wonderful site and hurt this community is inexcusable, and is not a protected right, no matter how you look at it.

So I really want to thank you to Haken and everyone here who has worked hard (obviously) to clean up the board.

STILL FLYING

edited to add: BTW if you find out who David Casey is and where he lives...let us know, please, post it on the board. I think we would all like to tell his parents and teachers about his activities....

SIGMANUNKI

Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gojiro:

Hey hackers!

1) Hackers don't do childish things. See http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=3618 for the actual definition. You might note that the definition that you imply is true has been deprecated.

2) Besides posting a pic that wasn't exactly nice, what did (s)he do?

----
"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

SUCCATASH

Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:48 AM

ASS = Aggresive Sick Spammer

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

11THHOUR

Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
I agree this nasty destructive person should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

This ridiculous excuse about security doesn't stand up to logic...the extremely offensive anti-social behavior should lead to fines and a police record.

Absolutely.

And yes, the "security" excuse only works if one is as limited in mental capacity as that trog is.

We must make sure the bad guys don't win.

Quote:
I believe in freedom of speech, and I have always loved how Haken has allowed the browncoats so much latitude in posting pictures and stories, but for someone to come in here to try to damage this wonderful site and hurt this community is inexcusable, and is not a protected right, no matter how you look at it.

Very well said.

Quote:
So I really want to thank you to Haken and everyone here who has worked hard (obviously) to clean up the board.

I am so impressed by those who dove in and put in the effort to counteract the trog's redirect code. Says a lot about the integrity of the folks here.

Quote:
STILL FLYING

edited to add: BTW if you find out who David Casey is and where he lives...let us know, please, post it on the board. I think we would all like to tell his parents and teachers about his activities....

Yep. A very powerful way to remedy the anti-social behavior is to shine a huge spotlight on the perpetrator. These trolls get emboldened because they are "anonymous" and feel untouchable. Beware of human behavior when they get the idea that there are no repercussions to their misdeeds.

I say, let's repercussion his ass.

11thHour

LISSA

Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:59 AM

so, i'm definitely glad i went to see garden state for the second time today and missed this. sounds...nasty and idiotic.

~lissa, spwhore

LISSA

Sunday, October 17, 2004 5:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 11thHour:

I say, let's repercussion his ass.

that's a HOT line:) it should be used in a cool movie or tv show or something...lol:)

~lissa, spwhore

BILLYUNO

Sunday, October 17, 2004 6:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 11thHour:

I say, let's repercussion his ass.

**adds to his list of cool lines**

SIGMANUNKI

Sunday, October 17, 2004 6:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:

ASS = Aggresive Sick Spammer

Well, I definitly agree that this practice is horrible. So, banning is definitly in order if the magnitude was bad enough (which I gather it was by the posts in this thread). In fact, my not writing an email address harvester for my old work is the major reason why I was chosen to be laid off in spite of the fact that I was more senior then others when the company got in finacial trouble.

But, someone will have to tell me how this is illegal. Laws are only enforcable in the region that they exist in and laws against this practice are not universal.

Given that the internet is an anonymous media, how do we know that this person lives in a place that has these laws? How do we know that the IP in the Haken's logs weren't spoofed?

Some have mentioned "hacking". What was actually done as there are very large differences between cracking a site and just putting in some javascript redirector or some such.

----
"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

JENDANDY

Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:

ASS = Aggresive Sick Spammer

But, someone will have to tell me how this is illegal. Laws are only enforcable in the region that they exist in and laws against this practice are not universal.

Given that the internet is an anonymous media, how do we know that this person lives in a place that has these laws? How do we know that the IP in the Haken's logs weren't spoofed?

Some have mentioned "hacking". What was actually done as there are very large differences between cracking a site and just putting in some javascript redirector or some such.

Illegal or no, hacking or no, what he did was inappropriate, gross, and extremely annoying so it's fun to talk about him getting his butt kicked (or something even less fun) in prison and such.

No use trying to make us see reason if ya didn't get a load of that pic (in every gorram thread you looked) for yourself.

Sig Rebel

FREDEP

Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gojiro:
You can be prosecuted and I hope Haken will do it. I doubt your real name is David Casey, but you can be traced. I've already called a friend of mine who specializes in computer forensics, and he's going to take a look and see what he can do. (And yes, he's a cop.)

Whhooohooo!!!!...Let's nail this

MALICIOUS

Sunday, October 17, 2004 11:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Neroli:
So, to me, you are still no better than someone that hacks sites with malicious intent because you chose to use the crudest, most harmful way of making your point known.

PLEASE, Sis, DON'T associate ME with this Godforsaken idiot!

Mal-licious

Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell

EMBERS

Sunday, October 17, 2004 2:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
just putting in some javascript redirector or some such.

I don't know how the laws are written in this regard, I'm guessing pretty broadly because that is what legislators usually do when they are dealing with a new field and they want to allow law enforcement and the courts latitude.

therefore, because:
1. this board was attacked dozens, if not actually a hundred times with this excessively obsene imagine. It was impossible to go to this board without seeing it, it wasn't just fan art and fan fic that led to the redirect, most of the active threads contained it as well. It seemed obvious to me that the purpose, intent was to bring the board down, to force Haken to shut it down. This is an anti-social attack and destruction of private property. It must have used up huge amounts of bandwidith.

2. Haken did not take down the site, he gave up almost his entire Saturday afternoon and evening in order to clean the board. There were many others who put in a lot of work trying to give out information to the fan art & fan fiction writers to tell them how to protect their work from the redirect. Haken and other loyal browncoats did not deserve to have their time and energy stolen like this.

therefore I feel that at the VERY least the instigator must:
1. repay the cost of bandwidth, the cost of Haken's time, as well as punitive damages because the attack was intentional.
2. have a public record for the destructive actions because this kind of anti-social behavior will continue and grow worse if the individual thinks they can get away with it. Besides I really do think that parents, teachers, and employers should know about this destructive behavior.

The only way to accomplish this is by charging him with whatever laws are now on the books.

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, October 17, 2004 2:49 PM

By all means, fry him under the various laws that cover this - there are plenty, and it's technically a felony, perhaps two depending on what provisons of certain online child protection laws apply...

But here's something else to think about, this creeper didn't consider that he was messing with rabid fans of this show...

Main Entry: ra·bid
Pronunciation: 'ra-b&d also 'rA-
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin rabidus mad, from rabere
1 a : extremely violent : FURIOUS b : going to extreme lengths in expressing or pursuing a feeling, interest, or opinion

That's right, Rabid, with a capital R.

And for the next (checks date).. 187 days, we have nothing better to do than hunt him, hassle him, hate at him in whatever fashion our whims could dictate, and there's hundreds of hundreds of us... scary thought, innit ?

Unleash the Reavers!!

-F

ARAGLAS

Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:39 PM

OMG..... I love this fangroup! We all know what we want!.... it's great.
I feel sorry for anyone who gets us mad again!

This is what going mad must feel like...
... No... this is what going mad must fee like!

NEROLI

Sunday, October 17, 2004 6:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Malicious:

PLEASE, Sis, DON'T associate ME with this Godforsaken idiot!

Mal-licious

Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell

My deepest apologies Sis, I was so mad I was not thinking straight.

You know I wubs you!

The Old Broad Monkey

http://lurid-eidolon.org/fireflyawards/index.php

MALICIOUS

Sunday, October 17, 2004 7:08 PM

(wipes lipstick off of cheek) That's ok. I'll forgive you. Again. As USUAL.

Mal-licious

Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell

NEROLI

Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:06 PM

Oops, sorry about that, I thought I washed it all off last night.

And what? Am I going to have to make another Mal wallpaper to make up for the "new" Revue issues? LOL

The Old Broad Monkey

http://lurid-eidolon.org/fireflyawards/index.php

MALICIOUS

Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:08 PM

Well, it wouldn't HURT.

Mal-licious

Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell

SIGMANUNKI

Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:38 PM

Before one reads my reply here, please understand that in no way do I condon this behavour. Being someone that is knowledgable in technical matters, I'm just trying to bring some perspective.

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:

I don't know how the laws are written in this regard, I'm guessing pretty broadly because that is what legislators usually do when they are dealing with a new field and they want to allow law enforcement and the courts latitude.

You miss my point. Which country is this person in and what are the laws *there*. It doesn't matter if the US (or that specific state) has laws against this if that person is in the UK. It makes the point moot.

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:

therefore, because:
1. this board was attacked dozens, if not actually a hundred times with this excessively obsene imagine. It was impossible to go to this board without seeing it, it wasn't just fan art and fan fic that led to the redirect, most of the active threads contained it as well. It seemed obvious to me that the purpose, intent was to bring the board down, to force Haken to shut it down. This is an anti-social attack and destruction of private property. It must have used up huge amounts of bandwidith.

Then what constitues an "attack." To me it is someone trying to gain access to some resource that that person doesn't have access to.

If all this person did was make a post that was a redirector, then (s)he had access to post as it is availible to the public and as such no problem there. The problem was with the *content* of the post which is where banning comes in.

Since the site wasn't brought down in any way, nor anything dammaged (just acouple problematic posts) there wasn't any actual damage.

I think that you are going overboard thinking that this person's goal was to bring down the board. If it was there would've been a DDOS attack or some form of actual attempt at cracking the site. Since I see *.asp in the pages of this site, I would think that it is a windows box and as such, the attacker would have access to *many* exploits to do this. Since, by what you have written, this isn't the case, this must not have been to goal of the "attacker." Perhaps it was a kind of "hackivism" (depending on what that pic was actually of).

And speaking as someone that has (and currently) runs a site, the bandwidth used to upload a pic and some text couldn't have cost more than a few seconds on a wideband connection. So, huge amounts of bandwidth? No.

The only way that the bandwidth *may* have become a problem is if that pic was actually posted on this site (which you haven't stated is the case) and even then pics aren't that big. Since it was only a problem for the better part of *one* day I doubt that alot of bandwidth was used.

Also, I was checking this site out yesterday, and although it was slower than usual, I have had it slower than that on a non-"attacked" day.

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:

2. Haken did not take down the site, he gave up almost his entire Saturday afternoon and evening in order to clean the board. There were many others who put in a lot of work trying to give out information to the fan art & fan fiction writers to tell them how to protect their work from the redirect. Haken and other loyal browncoats did not deserve to have their time and energy stolen like this.

Welcome to the reality of running a board. Is it fair? No. Is it going to happen again? Yes.

The only way for Haken to minimize the "damage" is to give the power to fix problems to others as well. Most likely by making an admin iterface and giving access to it to trusted members of the site. Quite frankly, with how long this site has been active, this should have been done already.

Another idea would be (if he is indeed running a windows variant) to switch the server OS over to an actually secure one. He could also open the code for some people to look over for a security audit (I'd volenteer to do this but I don'

SIGNYM

Sunday, October 17, 2004 9:18 PM

Yes I certainly appreciate the hard work!

But to those who responded so vehmently, IMHO the best way to deal with such posts if you are not the admin/ webmaster is to IGNORE THEM. The person who posted that pic is just trying to yank our chain, and (s)he LOVES the outrage. So, this will be my only post on the topic.

DESANGRO

Sunday, October 17, 2004 11:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 11thHour:
Yeah, it was powerful repulsive... kinda burns itself into the brain cells real fast like a corrosive acid. The trick is to look away before hysterical blindness ensues...

I have a sneaking, horrible suspicion that this image of which you speak is called 'Tubgirl'?

GOJIRO

Sunday, October 17, 2004 11:28 PM

It was indeed tubgirl. :shudder:

And Signym, the jerk made it impossible to ignore. It popped up no matter what you clicked -- blogs, images, posts. Otherwise, I agree with you: ignore 'em.

gojiro

DESANGRO

Monday, October 18, 2004 12:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gojiro:
It was indeed tubgirl. :shudder:

And Signym, the jerk made it impossible to ignore. It popped up no matter what you clicked -- blogs, images, posts. Otherwise, I agree with you: ignore 'em.

gojiro

Yeesh. I remember that one; I first found it by mistake when I clicked on a link for an anti- Harry Potter site... At first I didn't even think that it was real; I looked at it and thought that it was a blow-up doll filled with... stuff.Why would someone degrade themselves like that? I mean, the woman who's doing that to herself... well, let's just say that when parents teach their two-year-olds to NOT make a mess on themselves, they do it for a reason. Can anyone else understand the mentality involved?

Furthermore, can Haken track this guy down and permanently bar him from the site? Why is the troll doing this to us?

BROWNCOAT1

Monday, October 18, 2004 1:35 AM

Geez, off the board for one day and all of my Browncoat friends have a troll run amok on the board.

Luckily I missed a very sick picture posted by this piece of go se from the sounds of it.

Keep flyin' Browncoats.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

KELLAINA

Monday, October 18, 2004 3:10 AM

I too am glad that I missed yesterday (I'm kind of glad I had to work and got to miss this stuff).

I just wanted to say a big THANK YOU to Haken for fixing everything and for running the site in general. You rock!!

If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do. -"Angel"

SOUPCATCHER

Monday, October 18, 2004 3:50 AM

As another person who missed the troll yesterday I'd also like to add my thanks to Haken and all those who were working to put out the spot fires.

There are three kinds of people: fighters, lovers, and screamers.

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, October 18, 2004 4:42 AM

I disagree.

I am on the FIFTH forum of another, unrelated topic, because of that stupid, idiotic "ignore it" and "suck it up and move on" crap...

Ignoring it encourages them to try even harder, you don't believe that, go find a forum in the midst of self-destruction that way, there's plenty, it's the primary cause of a forums destruction, period.

First - you secure your site as far as humanly possible, and ban them in any fashion possible.

Second - you contact their ISP, and if they refuse to cooperate, you file against them in court.

More often than not, the ISP itself will kick them off, and if they continue to push it, then it becomes criminal harrassment and they CAN be grilled for it - there's no excuse for this behavior, and even less for failing to stand up to it.

I've seen no less than five forums come apart at the seams because people "let it slide" - don't, it's a dire mistake and encourages recidivism.

-F

SERENITYSRIVER

Monday, October 18, 2004 5:19 AM

11th.... your list of joyous imagery brought...well...joy...to my heart. I was tryin' for a more articulate way of beautifyin' my speech....but it just ain't coming. I think I need sleep.....

I shall sleep with happy Firefly images to replace the....well....other unmentionable one.

"Ten percent of nothin', well, let's see, that's nothin' add nothin', carry the nothin'. . . ."

SIGMANUNKI

Monday, October 18, 2004 5:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

First - you secure your site as far as humanly possible, and ban them in any fashion possible.

As I have mentioned.

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Second - you contact their ISP, and if they refuse to cooperate, you file against them in court.

Unfortunately you must provide proof that a person with there ISP is responsible. They will *not* kick the person for one infraction. The only thing that this would do is start a paper trail (which is nessesary to do).

But then again there are spoofed IP's, etc. Read my above posts for more problems. After all, you have to find out who there ISP is before you can do anything about it.

Even then the "attacker" could claim that you got into an argument with them, found there IP and forged a log to make it look like they were responsible. It's hard to do anything against these people as the medium in which this happens favours them.

Basically, the only thing that can be done, is your first mentioned point, which I mentioned above.

Welcome to the real virtual world.

----
"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Monday, October 18, 2004 7:31 AM

Okay, so I hate trolls and trogs and all-around jerks who waste so much (time, energy, and most of all their misguided talent) as bad as the next person.

HOWEVER...there is one positive side to all this.

Not only has this community gotten to be so large (woo!) that it attracts the attention of those-who-freebase-CheezWiz, it has also proven how strong a community this is.

I am proud so many have reacted so quickly, dilligently, and with self-sacrifice (Go Haken!) to prove to this piece of go se, its kind will not be tolerated here, irregardless of where its withering sorry hide calls home.

This is our "Serenity" and we ain't leavin'.

TCM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Show your Browncoat pride! I have original (meaning: designed by me!)
T-shirts and posters for sale
http://www.zazzle.com/contributors/home/default.asp?cid=23847914695881
5760

11THHOUR

Monday, October 18, 2004 8:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I've seen no less than five forums come apart at the seams because people "let it slide" - don't, it's a dire mistake and encourages recidivism.

-F

I agree.

Whatever is in our power to take action against this individual, we should pursue it.

That trog intentionally caused the normal use of this site to cease. "It" inserted code that caused an aggressively gross image to pop up, without warning, which was HIGHLY disturbing and obscene.

People need to do whatever can be done to find these kinds of perpetrators... those angry, loser, cowardly trogs who can't generate enough cognitive energy to use their keystrokes for something useful. To just put up one's hands and exclaim, "Well there's nothing you can do... that's the way it is... " IS passively assisting the anti-social behavior.

Tighten up the site security, fine... but also do what can be done to track that trog down. What "it" did was inexcusable and caused a great deal of upset to the folks here. In fact, it even upset people from other sites because I had posted a link to one of my wallpapers on another board. Some really nice friends of mine were assaulted with that perverted image.

That's the kind of thing you don't just let slide.

11thHour

________________________________________________

"Doing the impossible makes us mighty... happy."

11THHOUR

Monday, October 18, 2004 8:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SerenitysRiver:
11th.... your list of joyous imagery brought...well...joy...to my heart. I was tryin' for a more articulate way of beautifyin' my speech....but it just ain't coming. I think I need sleep.....

I shall sleep with happy Firefly images to replace the....well....other unmentionable one.

Glad the new imagery helped.

I'm working on my own "redirect code". Anytime the other "unmentionable one" pops into my brain, I have backup "wallpaper" that appears and wipes the other away.

Gonna "refresh" to some shiny Serenity imagery... mmmmm...

11thHour

________________________________________________

"Doing the impossible makes us mighty... happy."

BROWNCOAT1

Monday, October 18, 2004 12:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 11thHour:
Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I've seen no less than five forums come apart at the seams because people "let it slide" - don't, it's a dire mistake and encourages recidivism.

-F

I agree.

Whatever is in our power to take action against this individual, we should pursue it.

That trog intentionally caused the normal use of this site to cease. "It" inserted code that caused an aggressively gross image to pop up, without warning, which was HIGHLY disturbing and obscene.

People need to do whatever can be done to find these kinds of perpetrators... those angry, loser, cowardly trogs who can't generate enough cognitive energy to use their keystrokes for something useful. To just put up one's hands and exclaim, "Well there's nothing you can do... that's the way it is... " IS passively assisting the anti-social behavior.

Tighten up the site security, fine... but also do what can be done to track that trog down. What "it" did was inexcusable and caused a great deal of upset to the folks here. In fact, it even upset people from other sites because I had posted a link to one of my wallpapers on another board. Some really nice friends of mine were assaulted with that perverted image.

That's the kind of thing you don't just let slide.

I concur 100% 11th. I strongly encourage Haken to pursue this matter to the fullest extent of whatever passes for law governing the internet.

It would appear that the Troll is back. Haken apparently attempted to ban them, but they are posting in the taglog on the homepage under another name. They have issued a challenge to Haken to try to ban them.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

SIGMANUNKI

Monday, October 18, 2004 2:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:

I concur 100% 11th. I strongly encourage Haken to pursue this matter to the fullest extent of whatever passes for law governing the internet.

It would appear that the Troll is back. Haken apparently attempted to ban them, but they are posting in the taglog on the homepage under another name. They have issued a challenge to Haken to try to ban them.

There is no law governing the internet. The only laws that apply will be those in which that person is physically located.

But the way 11th is speaking is that we can do something. This is exactly beyond our power. The only one who has the power is Haken. Let him do whatever it takes to get rid of this intruder.

So, let's stop wasting energy *saying* that something should be done. If you have no ideas (as I have stated above) take those unhappy thoughts and turn them into the happy ones that is Firefly.

If you have ideas, present them. I have just sent Haken a message with an idea and an offer of further help. So those of you who wish to help... help.

To the others, bitching about the situation does nothing but boil the blood. See happy thoughts suggestion above.

----
"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, October 18, 2004 4:56 PM

I was going to write more on why ignore it and they'll go away, or look the other way and pretend it didn't happen... is just asking for it, but having thought over whether it's likely to do any good or not ?

Forget it, do what you will... me, I'll head for the door, no sense in beatin my head on a wall.

See ya when you figure it out, maybe.

-F

SIGMANUNKI

Monday, October 18, 2004 5:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I was going to write more on why ignore it and they'll go away, or look the other way and pretend it didn't happen... is just asking for it, but having thought over whether it's likely to do any good or not ?

Forget it, do what you will... me, I'll head for the door, no sense in beatin my head on a wall.

See ya when you figure it out, maybe.

-F

Um, I never said "do nothing about it" or "just ignore it." I just stated the obvious fact that there is *nothing* that a non-Haken person can do about.

So, what good could come of continual "we should do something" when there is nothing that can be done by non-Haken individuals?

I offered a suggestion and my help if he wants it. That is what is within my power. *That* *is* *constructive*. If others can do this as well then I would encourage them to do so.

Continual, "we should do something" is *not* constructive. To put it in a vulgar way, shit or get off the pot. Basically, don't take the attitude of superior knowledge with me when you have not done anything to help the situation.

If you don't have a way to actually help the situation, let it go. Let Haken do the work (because only he can) and hope and send our best wishes that he succeeds in banning this irritation. It is all you can do.

----
"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

11THHOUR

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 8:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
So, what good could come of continual "we should do something" when there is nothing that can be done by non-Haken individuals?

Speaking only for myself, my use of "we" was more of the collective description. We, meaning the users of this site and Haken... our community. Whatever steps Haken can take, and with which the users may assist, is "we".

One Forum member mentioned having a police officer friend who has the connections to investigate this matter, and was pursuing it. This is one example of a non-Haken individual helping.

Quote:
I offered a suggestion and my help if he wants it. That is what is within my power. *That* *is* *constructive*. If others can do this as well then I would encourage them to do so.

Continual, "we should do something" is *not* constructive. To put it in a vulgar way, shit or get off the pot. Basically, don't take the attitude of superior knowledge with me when you have not done anything to help the situation.

Proceeding ahead in a constructive manner is the best plan.

I'm not an expert on the coding wizardry involved in a website, but I can offer some suggestions:

• The redirect codes in the image gallery were entered under an "Anonymous" posting. Perhaps some type of block could be made which only permits postings from members using their names.

• It would be good to devise a block which prevents "redirect", or other manipulative, codes from being entered into messages. Only text, clickable web links or images should be permitted.

• Perhaps Haken could assign certain site adminstrative access to a handful of trusted members. Haken can't be expected to monitor this site 24/7, so it would be good to have others on hand to help put out troll fires.

Just some thoughts off the top of my head. I have no idea if they are practical or doable, but hey, at least they are meant to be constructive.

11thHour

________________________________________________

"Because teenage pranks are fun when you're about to die!"

FREDEP

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:09 AM

I completely agree with you there 11th!...that's a good set of plans

Just sitting back and let Haken do all the work seems hardly fair to me, and it was clearly show this weekend that lot's of people were willing to try to solve the problem, SJ even succeeded in overriding the trolls redirect and was able to redirect some of the pages elsewhere. So don't say there's nothing we can do.
Sure as long as Haken is the onle one with adminstrative rights he's the only one who can really change things. But we won't just sit back and let someone try to mess with the site.

11THHOUR

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 12:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fredep:
I completely agree with you there 11th!...that's a good set of plans

Thanks. Just doing something to get the ball rolling. We wanna make sure the Reavers don't get us!

Quote:
Just sitting back and let Haken do all the work seems hardly fair to me, and it was clearly show this weekend that lot's of people were willing to try to solve the problem, SJ even succeeded in overriding the trolls redirect and was able to redirect some of the pages elsewhere. So don't say there's nothing we can do.

Yep.

I was darn inspirin' to see SJ pick up Vera and give that troll some of its own medicine! Yeeehaaaaw!

Quote:
Sure as long as Haken is the onle one with adminstrative rights he's the only one who can really change things. But we won't just sit back and let someone try to mess with the site

Damn straight!

I was very impressed with the way so many people were willing to do something about the troll assault. You were even one of the three people who dove in and rallied to undo the troll's evil coding on my "Serenity Gold" page... was quite a sight to see. Thank you so much!

The part about folks in addition to Haken having administrative rights may be a tricky subject. From what I understand, Haken hand coded and made this site himself. So it's hard to say if allowing others access to the site would be something Haken would be comfortable with. But you never know, it's an idea that could be considered. At least the suggestions about some type of blocks could go a long way to heading off future troll assaults.

Firefly fans do NOT let their sky get taken away!

11thHour

________________________________________________

"Because teenage pranks are fun when you're about to die!"

FREDEP

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 1:11 PM

Quote:
I was very impressed with the way so many people were willing to do something about the troll assault. You were even one of the three people who dove in and rallied to undo the troll's evil coding on my "Serenity Gold" page... was quite a sight to see. Thank you so much!

Ah no need to thank me for that 11th, I was just trying(...and failing

)...it was the least I could do

Quote:
The part about folks in addition to Haken having administrative rights may be a tricky subject. From what I understand, Haken hand coded and made this site himself. So it's hard to say if allowing others access to the site would be something Haken would be comfortable with. But you never know, it's an idea that could be considered. At least the suggestions about some type of blocks could go a long way to heading off future troll assaults

Yeah...I think that's just something for Haken to decide, but if he would want it then I'm sure there are enough people here who would want to help out a bit. And the kind of assaults like this one can indeed just be stopped by blocking the entrance of code as haken done now. Still I think that...especially with the movie comming up (which I'm sure will mean more visitors)...that some extra people who'll just keep an eye out for trouble could come in handy. But as I said, that's something only Haken can decide

SIGMANUNKI

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 2:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 11thHour:

One Forum member mentioned having a police officer friend who has the connections to investigate this matter, and was pursuing it. This is one example of a non-Haken individual helping.

True, this is an example of someone helping (which I encouraged above). But, at the same time, there are problems with finding the person, etc. I won't reiterate my points, see above.

Quote:
Originally posted by 11thHour:

• The redirect codes in the image gallery were entered under an "Anonymous" posting. Perhaps some type of block could be made which only permits postings from members using their names.

This is a good idea if we know that everyone will play nice and we know that not to be true. Someone could just give a fake name or someone else's. It's one of the fundamental security problems of the net.

If it hasn't been done already, Haken could log the whatever is the unique id for the post which would provide the info needed to track the person down. This is easily implemented. Which is the upside. The downside with this is that the logs will get quite large.

Quote:
Originally posted by 11thHour:

• It would be good to devise a block which prevents "redirect", or other manipulative, codes from being entered into messages. Only text, clickable web links or images should be permitted.

• Perhaps Haken could assign certain site adminstrative access to a handful of trusted members. Haken can't be expected to monitor this site 24/7, so it would be good to have others on hand to help put out troll fires.

Your first suggestion is doable. This is something that would've come up under policy review and code audit (which I suggested above).

Your second suggestion (as I mentioned above) should have been implemented already (that is, if it hasn't been) as moderators are at the heart of keeping a community like this stable.

Unfortunatly all this takes a suprising amount of time. In fact, I've been amazed at how much time it takes even an experienced programmer accomplish the most basic tasks. Programming tends to be a fustrating and humbling experience.

Now, if only someone out there knows ASP that Haken trusts we could get these things done post haste. It's not to say that Haken can't do it, it's just that, from what I've heard, the man is very busy.

On another note, I believe that this experience *does* have a silver lining. If this troll didn't come along then the site would've still been vulnerable and if someone came along that was malicious (more so), then greater problems could've happened.

This gives Haken (and the 0 or more people he gets to help him (I'd understand if he's shy about this right now)) the chance to tighen up the site *before* something drastic happened. After all, the *only* way to prevent these sorts of things happening is to make the site too tough a nut to crack. Then the would be attacker will move onto easier pickin's.

@Haken:
If you wish for some help, I could send you my skill set and we can go from there. If not, I wish you god speed in your task.

----
"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

MISTWALKER

Friday, October 22, 2004 4:42 AM

Gods I hope you catch that trol... haveing seen that pic yeah that says it all...