Is There Any Charactor On FireFly that annoys you?
POSTED BY: piratejenny
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 8, 2004 01:02
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Hey, Piratejenny!
I have to say that all of them annoy me at some point or another because they are so damned independent! LOL. Seriously, that is true.
I think Badger annoys me the most completely. Of our BDHs, it's gotta be Jayne. sometimes I just want to smack him and tell him to sit down and shut the hell up. But he is also loveable.
geri
(JoVan aside -- I just met Renee Elise Goldsberry today -- I'll be posting pics on my web. write me at geripeak@charm.net if you want the link)
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Simon irritates me the most. He needs to lighten up and stop acting sooo superior and yet he wants to be accepted. He has a chance with Kaylee yet he can't let go enough to realize he needs to act. If Simon is to continue to hold on to his past life he can never move forward. Actually, he's a lot like a real doctor; pretentious and arrogant. Don't get me wrong, I like the character's influence on the fiction, but you asked.
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zoid, may I just say ditto to the first part of your last post. Completely in agreement with your praise of the ensemble cast. My friends and I are recent Browncoats, and we were talking just this afternoon about how wonderful and talented these actors are.
Severen, you’re irritated by Simon?! Off with your head! ;)
PJenny, I hope you don’t mind, but I’m not going to comment on all your points in your previous post. I tend to get chatty and I would be writing until dawn. A few brief things first:
[list]*I adore Simon and River’s relationship. I’m a big supporter of the S/K ‘ship, but not at the expense of the Tams.
*I agree that their relationship is very interesting and complex.
*Also agree that regardless of who *coughKayleecough* if anybody, Simon ends up with, River will come first. Unless, you know, River gets all better and starts dating someone herself. 
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You’re a huge fan of the Simon and River characters and their multifaceted relationship. You said at the beginning of the thread that while you liked the Kaylee character, you find her to be rather annoying. I look at things from a different angle because while I completely related to the intellectual and goal-driven side of Simon, I am so very much like Kaylee. I’m the glass is half-full, always baking cookies, everyone needs a hug type of person that people shake their heads at. Heck, I just turned 32, and one of my best friends still refers to me as “Baby Sister”. (Maybe I should get him to call me mei mei now?) So a lot of the time, I tend to see things from her view mostly because I relate so much to her. Plus, I’m completely in love with Simon so I can live vicariously through Kaylee when they finally get together. 
I do want to say how much I’ve enjoyed reading your, and everyone else’s, comments. You see things from a different perspective and while I may disagree with many of your observations, it’s been fun and interesting. It’s amazing that so much discussion can happen (there are over 80 posts so far) about characters we’ve only seen in 14 episodes. Goes to show how wonderful and well-written Firefly is.
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
but you could be right..when the movie comes out Joss will probably have Simon kiss Kaylee and declare his undying love ...and there goes my theory down the toliet!!!
Now you’re talking!
Andé
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Kaylee's the most annoying character for me. She reminds me of some of the optimistic, naive high school girls that I knew way back in the day and some of the grown women that I know now. I just keep on waiting for her to have that life changing disappointment that knocks her rose colored glasses off of her head but she's already had so many experiences that should have done it that I don't think that it ever is going to happen.
I would think that all of the crime that the Serenity crew engages in would wake her up but she doesn't seem to think it's wrong. She goes through it with the same wide eyed optimism. You're stealing Kaylee. You're not supposed to do it. Then, there's the killing that happens on board. The police officer, Early. Kaylee was even shot and she still was all sunshine and roses. It was annoying. I would also think that she would get with the program that she and Simon aren't going to work out. She's been chasing him all over Serenity for a year. If Simon were interested, he would have stopped running by now.
That's why Kaylee is annoying to me. I know people like her in real life and their persistent need to see the world through rose colored glasses makes them irritating to be around after a while. I like people who are more realistic about the world. People like Kaylee I just want to slap upside the head after a few debates about life with them and say, "Get with it!"
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Originally posted by BruisersMom:
I know people like her in real life and their persistent need to see the world through rose colored glasses makes them irritating to be around after a while.
That is so strange to me. I don't know anyone like Kaylee! I have always viewed her as an archetype... someone who couldn't really exist because such a personality simply doesn't survive contact with the real world. My thoughts on her ran down two separate paths:
1) I actually was drawn to that almost senseless optimism. In other threads, I've referred to her (and seen her referred to by others) as the "heart" of the crew. She embodied the nurturing, accepting, forgiving part of human nature that the crew needed to stay glued together. If I knew someone who was really like that, I think I would want to keep him/her close to draw upon that strength. Then again, maybe it would so annoy me in real life that I would have to hire a hit man eventually...
2) I realize that this is a simplification, but I believe that Joss had seeded the show with two basic character types: "mysteries," and "watch for growth in this space." Inara, Simon/River, and Book were mysteries. Mal, Zoe/Wash, Jayne, and Kaylee were growth candidates. I suspect, that Kaylee's growth would have involved losing a lot of that innocence and coming face to face with the real world.
Of course, that's all just speculation until the Master himself weighs in with the BDM.
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It's a tie between Inara and Simon.
Inara because only every once in a blue moon is she any kind of help to the crew. She seems to stick her nose up in the air a lot and act like she's "better" than everybody else. *just the way I see her character* The actress is great but the character bugs the snot outta me.
Simon because he was exactly the same at the end of the season as he was at the beginning. He didn't adjust to his situation whatsoever and that bugs me. He should have adapted by at least "Out of Gas". But nope he's still, mostly, living like he did when he was happily ignorant of the Alliance's true ways.
That's just my 2 cents.
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He needs to lighten up and stop acting sooo superior and yet he wants to be accepted. He has a chance with Kaylee yet he can't let go enough to realize he needs to act.
let go of what...could you clarify ...I'm not understanding what he need's to let go of..
to have a chance with Kaylee...you would have to assume that he wants a chance with Kaylee...
Simon has given no indications of wanting to be with Kaylee..its Kaylee who is constantly in his face..making hints..and trying to get a reaction out of him...honestly she's in his face so much with the come on's...so far all I've seen is Simon trying to be nice to her..but he hasn't encouraged her
kaylee should turn her attentions to Jayne..she might be pleasantly surprised...I get the feeling that underneath Jaynes tough exterior ..he's big softy....
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
...I get the feeling that underneath Jaynes tough exterior ..he's big softy....
But Jayne belongs to Simon, to go by his reaction to the manly clap on the shoulder in Ariel
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Originally posted by danfan:
I realize that this is a simplification, but I believe that Joss had seeded the show with two basic character types: "mysteries," and "watch for growth in this space." Inara, Simon/River, and Book were mysteries. Mal, Zoe/Wash, Jayne, and Kaylee were growth candidates. I suspect, that Kaylee's growth would have involved losing a lot of that innocence and coming face to face with the real world.
Of course, that's all just speculation until the Master himself weighs in with the BDM.
I think they're all "growth candidates" - Book will learn about the real world, Inara will learn to let her emotions out, River will slowly begin to heal and Simon will become a man. It's just that some growth candidates have mysteries
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
Simon has given no indications of wanting to be with Kaylee..its Kaylee who is constantly in his face..making hints..and trying to get a reaction out of him...honestly she's in his face so much with the come on's...so far all I've seen is Simon trying to be nice to her..but he hasn't encouraged her
On the contrary, in the episode The Message, Simon is trying to compliment Kaylee. However he messes it up, and then tells Zoe that he was never good at talking to girls. And Zoe asks him if he's ever been good at talking to anybody.
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