Is There Any Charactor On FireFly that annoys you?
POSTED BY: piratejenny
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 8, 2004 01:02
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Book annoys me. He always has some moral to impart - he rarely really does anything. People who think they've got all the right answers and need to tell everyone what to do just usually bug me.
Quote:On the whole grammar debate: I like it when people take the time to try to make their posts as readable as possible - it's just being nice. Some mistakes, like typos or spelling mistakes are easily overlooked, and some are made by bumbling foreign people (like me). But some people's form can be a real obstacle for understanding the content - like writing in ALL CAPS or l33t sp34k. I found the original post a chore to read, and I think the humorous jibe was well deserved and should be taken in good spirit. Piratejenny, don't change your style to seem more educated or whatever, just do it to make life easier for your readers (us)!
BOOK: I am a Shepherd. Folks like a man of God.
MAL: No, they don't. Men of God make everyone feel guilty and judged.
"While we have an open policy concerning comments, we hope that you will provide literate and thought provoking ones."
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I agree with what's being said about Book. He's too quickly dismissed with the whole God thing. I've never heard of Joss being atheist - could this be a jab at Christians or something? Like what the other person said (sorry, forgot your name) even Jayne, who IMO can be the biggest a** hole, is more readily excepted for who he is. What's up with that?
The irony? I'm not a big fan of Book, though I can't say he annoys me. Jayne annoys me some though. Wouldn't trust him as far as I can throw him. I don't know why he's put up with in the first place.
JEN The Sig-less Wonder
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I think the key to understanding Jayne's character is that he is a canine. To be more specific, I think he is a wolf. Submissive to the alpha in the pack. Obsessed with pack order (and his place in it). Expecting deference from those below him in the pack. And pitiless towards those outside the pack.
From time to time, he might challenge the alpha... then fall right back into line when that challenge fails. From a canine's perspective, that isn't betrayal. It's just the natural order of things.
Book doesn't bother me. He has a moral compass that may not be to everyone's taste. But, to me, he never seemed overbearing with it. My take on him was "here it is... if you like what you see, I can explain it further to you."
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I find it ironic that I keep coming up Book in personality tests, but of all of the characters, I'm least interested in him. It's ironic as well that probably my favorite line of the entire show is when Book tells River that "faith fixes you". I also find it extremely introspectic for a show with an atheist creator and feel that conversation could have been extremely fascinating if it had been allowed to continue. I don't really find Christianity has been treated like a red-headed stepchild on Firefly. It just may not be respected 'cause the characters see themselves having no real use for it.
Or maybe I'm just so used to negative portrayals of Christianity in the media I don't see it. The only episode Book annoyed me in was Bushwhacked.
Atherton gets on my nerves (he would NOT have grabbed me!) But he was soo gorgeous on Children of Dune.
I used to HATE Mal and Jayne but since the DVD's see how beautifully they're written and portrayed.
A good friend of mine watched the pilot with me (she was less than impressed, *sigh*) and didn't think Simon did enough when Hobson took River prisoner. She's coming from a personal place with that. Her sister (who was also her best friend) was killed. She doesn't have a whole lot of use for Simon, but I love him.
It's the most interesting reaction to Firefly I've gotten.
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SIKKUKUT:
In any case, I'm not exactly like Simon, but if there's anybody on the ship I am like, it's him. I wonder, if you met me, if I'd rub you the wrong way.
I honestly could not say. There may be a part of your personality that could bring cohesion to your traits that Simon lacks. Or I could hate you on site.
But seriously
, so far I enjoy your posts, you haven’t pissed me off, and you have thoughtfully provided points for me to think about. All in all a good day. I would like to think I’m most like Kaylee. I know I’m not ‘cause I’m too moody and I have a tendency to experience that whole “anger” thing now and then. But her bubbly, bouncy attitude and the eternal optimism and faith I’ve definitely got.
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DANFAN:
I think the key to understanding Jayne's character is that he is a canine. To be more specific, I think he is a wolf. Submissive to the alpha in the pack. Obsessed with pack order (and his place in it). Expecting deference from those below him in the pack. And pitiless towards those outside the pack.
From time to time, he might challenge the alpha... then fall right back into line when that challenge fails. From a canine's perspective, that isn't betrayal. It's just the natural order of things.
DANFAN, I am totally amazed. You totally got it! You were able to express in words that intangible thing about Jayne that I totally love. The pack aspect is what gives him his strength, a predictability, and what I would see as loyalty. The challenges just being the natural order of things. When he turned over Simon and River he was not betraying the group because they were not yet a part of the group, outsiders.
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
not that I have to explain anything to you..but for the rest of the posters out there I will those dashes<......> are my pauses in thought...
I too use "..." as a pause... as in :) means i'm smiling. It gives more character to the post.
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Originally posted by Vena:
When he turned over Simon and River he was not betraying the group because they were not yet a part of the group, outsiders.
Exactly!! I wasn't thinking of that specific incident when I wrote my comment, but it fits perfectly for the reason you state. He didn't see them as part of his pack at the time, so no foul. When the alpha made it clear at the end of the episode that he was wrong, and that by turning them over he had betrayed the pack, Jayne's anquish was genuine.
Cool. I hadn't picked up on that...
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Originally posted by InevitableBetrayal:Quote:
I'm sorry if it offends those on the board, but the way that you write isn't unimportant. There're only two ways of evaluating a message-board denizen: 1) his/her ideas, 2) his/her writing. That's it. _______________________________________________
I wish I had a magical wish-granting plank.
I wholeheartedly agree. The way someone expresses themselves is how they are judged. For what it's worth, I knew you were joking when you made the original comment, it's sad that others didn't. I think everyone should just relax, no one is going to punish you for not using proper grammar, but they might tease you a bit. So just do the proper thing and tease right back.
"Oh I'm going to the special hell."-Mal
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I like this pack theory, though I think it has a clear weakness: When he first meets Mal, Jayne turns on his "pack" in seconds. Jayne is just an opportunist, in my view - and very human.
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opinions are neither right nor wrong so I wouldn't flame you for yours .. but in Simon's defense I will respond
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He is a sniveling rich kid who not only looks down his nose at his newfound predicament in the beginning of the series, but he continues to resist any attempt to adapt to his new environment. Yes, he saved his sister, but who did he leave behind? Instead of just focusing on what HE wanted, why did he not instead find what was the purpose of the school and find if they were doing this to other children.
I never saw Simon sniveling...he gave up alot to save his sister something that he's done without regret and something he would do all over again if he had the same choice to make....he maynot be exactly happy with his current living situation..as anyone would be under those circumstances..but he also seems aware of just how lucky he is ..things could be alot worse for him and River
I don't think Simon's 1rst concern was finding out what the school was doing I think his 1rst concern was getting River out..and then worry about the other stuff later his 1rst priorty was River
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I do ‘ship of the Janyn and Kaylee. Forgive me for that one. But I want to know why Simon must see her as “his only option” instead of the lovely person that she is? He is of a kind of man that I have detested all my life. Gutless. He insists on dancing around the subject of a relationship and never gets the balls to do something about it. When Kaylee grows tire of the waiting game and takes a step up, he is then repulsed by her overt actions.
If you look at Simon's world and where he came from and what he was doing..he had alot of options..Simon is a thinker..and what he sees is very limited or very few options if any at all in his current circustances...I don't think its a judgement on Kaylee at all..I think he thinks of her as a very sweet and likeable girl...and as sweet as she is ..doesn't mean that they are compatible..perhaps Simon needs someone more challenging..I don't think Simon dances around the subject of a reltionship with Kaylee..Its Kaylee that continues to make advances at him while I'm sure he's flattered in a way..he has never encouraged her...(thats all Kaylee) she's kind of aggressive which is fine...but I don't think Simon is as interested as she is in him.
I think part of the reason why Kaylee annoys me so is because she seems kind of flighty..kind of desperate...her infatuation for Simon is just that infatuation..because of limited options..and I think Simon is mature and smart enough to understand this..thats why he brought it up in the message...
if you'll recall when Tracy came on the ship..Kaylee took an immediate liking to him also..(IMO he seemed more her speed anyway)..look how quick she was able to redirect her attention..
and you notice how she asked wash to tell her she is pretty...Kaylee is just looking for love(nothing wrong with that we all need it) but she seems to be longing for it too..she has alot of love to give..and the reason she keeps advancing on Simon is because of her own needs and not so much because of Simon himself
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I just want him to grow a set and stop thinking everything is about him and his sister.
but to understand Simon , you would have to understand that everything is about him and his sister..I mean River and helping her is his 1rst priority..sure he cares about the crew and what happens..very much so I believe ..but his whole reason for being there in the 1rst place is because of River..in someways that is his purpose for living
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