Is There Any Charactor On FireFly that annoys you?
POSTED BY: piratejenny
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 8, 2004 01:02
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oringally posted by Shiny
I knew you were joking when you made the original comment, it's sad that others didn't. I think everyone should just relax, no one is going to punish you for not using proper grammar, but they might tease you a bit. So just do the proper thing and tease right back.
maybe this poster was joking..but it came out very negatively which I'm guessing that was the whole intent in the 1rst place...as for teasing..I really don't think this person was teasing although I could be wrong...but I don't think so, I don't know this person ..but I'll call someone on their Crap when its foul..call it what you will ..but teasing ..nah
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See, I'm not writing an English paper or a book, either. I just don't want to look completely uneducated (for instance, using "careless", when I actually mean "care less"). But hey. If you want to look ignorant and uneducated, be my guest.
this person clearly does not respect my post Because I don't measure up to this person's standards of what he/she feels is right or rightious.. correct...this person assumes that I'm uneducated and ignorant(lol) there are plenty of educated fools from educated schools... just because you know where to put a period doesn't make you an intelligent or smart person...from this persons post I could assume that they are not very intelligent... but I don't care either way..and since I don't know the person I choose not to make the assumption!!
teasing... more like being pompus!!! thats my take on it
its a large board and I'm willing to let bygones be bygones
I like the way I post..its unique to me..
I had meant to reply to this post earlier ..but I was having computer problems...
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Originally posted by DeannaMay:
I have always seen it as Simon feeling he has nothing to offer at this time in his life. His life was been one of privilege and position, and usually people in that situation are evaluated by what they have and what they can bring to the relationship. Simon, where once he brought money, talent and standing now simply has the talent. He defines himself by what he used to be, instead of what he is now. He finds little value in himself, which is why I think he finds it easy to give his life for River, or at least put it on the line. He doesn't see that he has anything to offer anyone, so does not seek out a relationship. He was loosening up a bit towards the end of the run, as he has shown value to the group, but still had a long way to go.
well that is a diffrent perspective one that I had not thought of before...perhaps because its hard for me to think of Simon as thinking of himself as having nothing to give, he seems very sure of himself to me..not so in how he relates to people..but in himself.. I see him as being very confident in his skills and in his self worth..I too think that Simon has nothing to offer Kaylee..because River has him emotionally..I think on some level its always been that way
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I think Simon is brought up in a society where you don't show your cards, as it were. Relationships are calculations, rather than just emotional. Kaylee's out and out interest in him probably throws him completely, and it shows. It would have been interesting if they had an episode where Inara needed an escort, and Simon got to interact in a situation where he is comfortable and knowledgeable.
this is precisely why I feel that Kaylee is all wrong for simon, and yes I see what your getting at...someone mentioned before that simon was inept with women..and my response to that was ..but if Simon was in his on world.. we would see someone very ept indeed!! at least I think
[qoute]once Simon got to the place where he was a member of the crew, full and accepted, I think he would have felt a lot more comfortable seeking out a relationship with the what-you-see-is-what-you-get Kaylee.
I think on an emotional level that River feeds Simon's emotional needs in every way..I see her as being his ideal, and while Kaylee could feed his physical needs, I think if they did end up having that kind of relationship it would be Kaylee who would be the outcast and feel left out.. and maybe even resentful...she longs to be loved..I don't neccessarily see Kaylee being the type that would be happy being 2nd best...she's to needy..emotionally.... would she settle for whatever simon had leftover from River?
Now if River was to be restored to her orginal condition and Simon didn't have to invest so much of himself in her....then I wonder would he give kaylee a chance...I'm still not sure about that!!
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I imagine the Jayne we see, and the Jayne who behaves around his mother, takes off his hat in respect to religion are just facets of this canine.
didn't Jayne want to be a shepherd ..I thought he alluded to that when River read his mind
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oringally posted by zoid
For the sake of honesty, while we may not admit it to our significant others, Inara captivates men in a way Kaylee-types never could. We may love, marry and raise families with 'Kaylees', but an Inara-in-distress requires chivalric action. This infuriates females. Oddly, it also infuriates men, but we can do nothing about it; it's a fact of hormonal response. Women are aware of this fact, and it only serves to amp up their annoyance with men and hatred of Inaras.
I Think it is for this very reason that I haven't paid the Inara charactor to much attention..rather then be infuriated.. I only take an intrest when I have too....she's the phony type..well not so much phony as...
Inara is beautiful but beauty is subjective, rather it is her ablity to bend men to her will with her charm , skill, and knowelege an does it in such a calculating and even manipulative way, if need be, and have them eating out of the palm of her hand.. and thanking her for the honor....it is a Power and Inara is a woman who owns her power and wears it like a Crown of jewels ... and she does it with an air of vulnerablity and grace....you would never hear Inara..asking Wash to tell her she was pretty!!!
I can't deny such talents are a gift and not everyone has been blessed lol!!! and some of us don't have the patience or temperment to fine tune and sharpen those skills....and its a lucky thing for you men that not all of us do .. We women could rule the world!!!
but men are captivated by the type...is it annoying yep!!but Inara doesn't bother me as much as she could..because I know its an act with her....she openly gets paid for the services she provides.. I guess I respect that in some ways its part of her job as a Companion...but its always fascinating and fun to see how easily you men fall for it sink line and hook!!!lol
Inara often looks bored and weary to me.. she too seems to be searching maybe for herself most of all..the only thing I truly wonder about the charactor is who is she really.. if you stripped away all the Companion compliantacy who would she be...maybe I should pay more attention to Inara she might be alot more interesting then I imagine!!
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If I might further presume to pose a corollary question: Which of the characters do you think is Joss' 'writer's voice'? Which one is -- at least most frequently -- a representation of Joss' personality? For the reasons stated above, I think it's Mal.
yes Mal does seem to be the closest to rep to joss....its funny because Mal kind of reminds me of me... in the way that he see's hope where there is none..and how he doesn't give up but fights with his last breath and gets the job done, he doesn't have faith in much..and he's searching....he wants desperately to believe in people and in human kindness and decency....and he does even when he knows he shouldn't....ok I could be projecting but thats kind of how I see Mal..at least every since I saw Out Of Gas..Mal doesn't seem like an optimist...at least not on the outside... but to me he is the most optimistic charactor on the show!!
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A final note: My GSD -- who'll turn 1 year old in mid-October -- is named 'Jayne'. Good in a fight, he knows who the alpha male of the house is: Me. Just don't leave your steak unattended on a countertop. He'll scarf it down faster than his namesake would sell out the Tam sibs. Captain Reynolds understands this aspect of his 'dog' Jayne's character, too...
LOL great post
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Originally posted by zoid:
The question: "Which character annoys you?" may be answered thus: "All of them, when it suits Mr. Whedon's purpose." Joss and his cronies know precisely how to tweak our noses, and can even manage to split us into camps based upon archetypical personalities. Jocks get Jayne. Nerds grok Simon. Thinkers relate to Book. The lovelorn sympathize with Kaylee.
zoid, this is a great point! As I was reading this thread, I was thinking how much I love all nine of the characters. None of them annoy me. But when I read your post, I did realize they all had their moments when they rubbed me the wrong way.
Two examples come to mind. I love Zoë, but I was annoyed that she tried to get away with lying to her husband in War Stories. Book’s dig at Simon, in the same episode, for not shooting anyone during the fight irritated me. I think it took a lot of courage for Simon to take up arms, and Book belittled him just to make a joke. I’m sure I could come up with annoying moments for all the characters, even sweet Kaylee.
I’m really enjoying this thread because everyone has such different opinions and views the same thing in so many different ways. It’s fascinating.
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oringinally posted by sikkukut
On the other hand, sometimes the most effective villains are the ones that you really want to like, and those have been thin on the ground in Firefly. Magneto from the X-Men movies and the villain from Alan Moore's Watchmen (not to spoil the ending) are two good examples.
I actually like Magneto in the x-men movies I sympathize with him... I know he's suppose to be the villian but I don't see him that way at all, actually in both movies I've found myself rooting for him..its always a little dissappointing when he doesn't win in the end!!
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
someone mentioned before that simon was inept with women..and my response to that was ..but if Simon was in his on world.. we would see someone very ept indeed!! at least I think
See, I’m going to have to disagree here. Simon always seems to be confident with anything to do with medicine and he has become increasingly more comfortable with his new life. However, he’s made comments himself about his lack of skill with women. The first scene in The Message comes to mind. When Kaylee encourages more of his affectionate compliments, he hesitates and says “I don’t know how to…” and then manages to completely ruin the moment. Moments later he admits to Zoë that he’s “not very good at talking to girls”. Handsome, rich, intelligent, consummate doctor? Certainly. Skilled at talking with the ladies? Not so much.
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I think on an emotional level that River feeds Simon's emotional needs in every way..
This is an interesting observation. Would you mind expanding on this? I’m not seeing how River can feed every emotional need of her brother’s. Simon is focused on keeping his sister safe, searching for answers, trying to make her whole, taking care of his baby sister. He takes comfort in the fact that she’s alive and he may one day be able to cure her. When the stress becomes too much, when he needs to vent or throw things, when he simply needs a word of comfort, who takes care of Simon? He can joke with Kaylee (OiS) about events that happened pre-Serenity, but events in the past seem to be a difficult subject to discuss with his sister (Safe).
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it would be Kaylee who would be the outcast and feel left out.. and maybe even resentful...she longs to be loved..I don't neccessarily see Kaylee being the type that would be happy being 2nd best...she's to needy..emotionally
Kaylee is an emotional girl. She cries easily and wears her heart on her sleeve, but also takes great joy from life and finds happiness in simple pleasures. Jewel has stated a few times that Kaylee is a big flirt and boy crazy, but I’ve never viewed Kaylee as being needy. Inara said that Kaylee was very dear to all of them. She’s probably the best loved of anyone on the ship in my opinion, so she’s not lacking for affection.
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would she settle for whatever simon had leftover from River?
That’s the 64,000 platinum question. I say yes. As I said before, Kaylee is surrounded by love every day. And she already cares for River. When Kaylee deepens her relationship with Simon, I see her as becoming the big sister/mother to River, the little sister/child because Simon seems to me more of a parent to his sister.
Yikes, it's late. Hope I was able to convey what I was trying to.
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Who annoied me on the show?
-Dan, the taco bell guy
-John Doe
-Jack (in the box)
-Our local news anchors
Point: Love the show, hate the comercials (and it did seem like there was a lot of them)
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I would have to definatly agree with Dacute1. Another reason that I don't find any of the main 9 charactors annoying is because everyone has thier own quirks and twists but it's the interaction between the 9. To anyone that doesn't like them thats thier opinion but without the main 9 there really wouldn't be a show.
"No Power in the 'Verse can stop me!"
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JupiterBelle and fellow 'coats:
Name me a better ensemble cast from a television series. Friends? Cheers? Not nearly as many characters on a regular basis, and not nearly as 3D-ally drawn. Joey and Phoebe (Friends) and Cliff, Carla, Woody and Norm (Cheers) coulda been played by cardboard cutouts. I loved those shows; but, well-developed emotional characters? Nope.
Here's something else: I thought Firefly was more cerebrally witty than Friends, Cheers or even Frasier. The humor in Firefly -- and there's a ton of it in every episode -- is very British, in that it springs from normal conversation, and is more 'turn of phrase'-based, rather than a caricature of human behavior. I never heard anyone tell a 'joke' on the show, but Firefly had me laughing my 'F*x Programming Executive' off, week after week.
Having offered such glowing and well-deserved praise, every time Gina picked up a rifle, holding it under her arm like a long-necked goose and craning her head to the side to aim, it drove me bonkers. I couldn't believe no one on the show would take Ms. Torres aside and show her how to shoot from the shoulder, where one would properly sight down the barrel. The way the Warrior Woman holds her weapons in the show (and stands squared-up in the line of fire) she'd never hit the broad side of a barn and get cut to ribbons by return fire.
Still, Gina makes it easy for me to suspend my disbelief for the sake of dramatic license. I just think, "Well, for a classically trained mezzosoprano, she's probably the baddest-ass opera singer in the world. Let's see Kiri TeKanawa try that sh*t." And really, I find it very difficult to criticise Mrs. Fishburne because -- yikes! -- have you seen her?
I'd take the blue pill if there was some version of the Matrix where she found balding, 46-year-old guys irresistible...
Respectfully,
zoid
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orginally posted by HANDMAIDENANDE
See, I’m going to have to disagree here. Simon al
ways seems to be confident with anything to do with medicine and he has become increasingly more comfortable with his new life. However, he’s made comments himself about his lack of skill with women. The first scene in The Message comes to mind. When Kaylee encourages more of his affectionate compliments, he hesitates and says “I don’t know how to…” and then manages to completely ruin the moment. Moments later he admits to Zoë that he’s “not very good at talking to girls”. Handsome, rich, intelligent, consummate doctor? Certainly. Skilled at talking with the ladies? Not so much.
Simon does tend to stick his foot in his mouth..mostly when talking to Kaylee...its not so much that he's saying the wrong thing...its more that he's speaking his mind truthfully, and Kaylee being the emotional and sensative can't always deal with that.....most people who stick their foot in their mouth, do so.. not because they are trying to be mean.. or tactless... but because they blurt out what they are thinking without filtering it... without thinking how the other person might feel..so I don't think its that Simon is saying the wrong thing..its just that he's saying whats on his mind
for example, in the messege when he told her that his options were limited because... every woman on the ship was either married professional, or related to him by blood.....and she (kaylee) was his only option.... Simon was just speaking his mind truthfully..
I believe, if there is any hesitation on Simon's part when conversing with Kaylee it comes as a reflex... he's learning that he has to be careful with her... of how he exspresses himself around her...because he could hurt her feelings
in the world Simon came from..you can tell he was much more authorative being a highly respected doctor at the top of his field he was probably in a leadership position where he was use to speaking his mind .. where he didn't have to filter what he said....on the ship where his status is not what it once was, he's learning he has to be careful how he express himself
I think in Simon's world..there are certain protcols that were observed and followed..while Simon may seem more inept with people in general and espeically women ... I think it was alot easier for him when he was at home ...
I think Kaylee's advances takes him off guard and he doesn't quite know how to deal with her... he doesn't have experience with very foward women...I think in someways Simon is flattered by this ( he's a man)..even if he is at a loss...but on the other hand he see's it for what it is.... limited options on both their parts
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This is an interesting observation. Would you mind expanding on this? I’m not seeing how River can feed every emotional need of her brother’s. Simon is focused on keeping his sister safe, searching for answers, trying to make her whole, taking care of his baby sister. He takes comfort in the fact that she’s alive and he may one day be able to cure her. When the stress becomes too much, when he needs to vent or throw things, when he simply needs a word of comfort, who takes care of Simon? He can joke with Kaylee (OiS) about events that happened pre-Serenity, but events in the past seem to be a difficult subject to discuss with his sister (Safe).
maybe at this point.. River is unable to feed Simon's emotional needs, because of her condition..I was thinking past-tense.. River at this point maynot be able to fill all of Simon's emotional needs.. but it is obvious that she completely loves him and she does have an understanding of what he's going through even if she can't articulate it in a way that everyone understands....
we saw this in Safe when she tells him ...you gave up everything to find me and you found me broken also in O.I.S when she is reading his mind and he's talking about being at the hospital and he says I would be there now...
River and Simon have a very close bond as we know
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