The Joker 2: The Musical Doo Deux failure thread
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“How did they fumble this so bad”: Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker 2 Update Upsets Fans as Sequel Aims to Follow The Marvels’ Worst Feature
Joker 2, starring Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Gaga will be a musical featuring 15 well-known cover songs, with a possibility of originals.
https://fandomwire.com/how-did-they-fumble-this-so-bad-joaquin-phoenix
s-joker-2-update-upsets-fans-as-sequel-aims-to-follow-the-marvels-worst-feature/
Did I ever mention that I hate musicals? I hate, hate, hate, hate, hate musicals.
The only one I think that I could ever watch again is Little Shop of Horrors, just because of the nostalgia. Some of those songs are still stuck in my head nearly 35 years after the last time I've seen it. But part of me thinks that if I did try to watch it again I'd either shut it off or fall asleep in the middle of it.
DEADLINE: Budget: $190 Million
https://deadline.com/2024/10/joker-folie-a-deux-box-office-weekend-pro
jection-1236104610/
It needs to make $475 Million to break even.
It's not going to make $475 Million and break even.
People over at the official Lady Gaga fan forum who have already seen an advanced screening of it wonder where the hell $190 Million went and some there are even theorizing this is another Hollywood money laundering scheme.
https://gagadaily.com/forums/topic/411178-deadline-joker-2-budget-is-1
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Joker Folie à Deux 2024 1080p TELESYNC x264 COLLECTiVE
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Plot:
Arthur Fleck is institutionalized at Arkham, awaiting trial for his crimes as Joker. While struggling with his dual identity, Arthur not only stumbles upon true love, but also finds the music that's always been inside him.
The movie starts with a two-minute and 30-second cartoon: "Me and My Shadow" with the cartoon Joker starring. I would have walked out of the theater before that cartoon finished. The live-action movie following the cartoon is no better.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Hey Second. We might have finally found that one thing we can both agree on, buddy.
I knew it would happen one day or another.
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Quote:Joker 2 bounces between the two ugliest locales in the movie business: prison and courtroom. To break the monotony for the audience, Joker sings off tune with Lady Gaga . . . in his imagination.
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Hey Second. We might have finally found that one thing we can both agree on, buddy.
I knew it would happen one day or another.
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The old Hollywood wisdom is Nobody knows anything. But Hollywood survives because it rejects nearly all bad scripts. That unreliable system failed to reject this particularly bad Joker script.
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William Goldman is Dead at 87
By writing scripts he believed in, rather than the flavor of the day, the late, great William Goldman left a legacy that will endure for decades to come. - Nov 16, 2018 12:29pm PT
https://variety.com/2018/film/opinion/william-goldman-dies-appreciatio
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“Nobody knows anything.”
If you work in this business — and Goldman was clear-eyed about the fact that the film industry is an industry first, where art and ideas must serve the bottom line, or perish — it’s worth getting those three words tattooed on your forearm. Or cross-stitched onto a throw pillow for your agent’s couch.
They serve as a reminder to every writer in town to stand by your ideas, because you can never predict what will be a hit — “not one person in the entire motion picture field knows for a certainty what’s going to work” — and every time you compromise your vision because someone pretends to know better, you’re sacrificing the chance to prove them wrong.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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They serve as a reminder to every writer in town to stand by your ideas, because you can never predict what will be a hit — “not one person in the entire motion picture field knows for a certainty what’s going to work” — and every time you compromise your vision because someone pretends to know better, you’re sacrificing the chance to prove them wrong.
Joker 2 was the director not standing by his ideas. Joker 2 was the director burning down the first movie because of what other people told him about it.
Todd Phillips wasn't even making a Joker movie when he made that first one. He never calls the character Joker and only refers to him as Arthur. He's stated now in interviews that he hates comic book movies (good man) and he was just trying to tell a great story and basically scam it as a comic book movie by literally putting clown makeup on it.
He had a good thing going there. Up until Deadpool and Wolverine bumped Joker a few months back, he had the highest grossing R-Rated movie of all time (the 2nd highest when accounting for inflation, since The Exorcist from 1973 made over $3 Billion dollars in 2024 money).
But then he had to ruin it. Because he was listening to Alt-Left media and drinking that Kool Aid.
He actually believes what you've falsely accused me of here many, many times about his first movie. He believes that people walked out of that movie theater and thought of Joker/Arthur as a hero. And like I've told you before, NOBODY walked out of that movie thinking that Joker/Arthur was a hero. (OK... I'm sure there were a few... There is a lot of mental illness in the world... But that did pre-date Covid lockdowns so there was a lot less of it in 2019 when Joker came out than there is right now).
Joaquin Phoenix gave what was potentially the greatest acting performance I've ever seen in my life. I left that theater exhausted. But I've never watched it a 2nd time, and neither has anybody I went to the theater with. It was a brutal watch. I'm glad I saw it, but I don't care to ever see it again.
But somebody whispered in Todd Phillips' ear that he made a modern day hero for all the people that the Alt-Left wants to see dead. To hear him talk now about how nobody understood his first Joker movie and how everybody is an idiot and viewed Joker/Arthur as a hero is is fucking batshit. That's not just the media saying it anymore. Those are words coming out of his own mouth now. And so he went ahead and destroyed the most successful movie he will have ever made in his life by releasing this piece of shit that nobody is going to watch.
Who is the audience for this? Who was this made for?
NOBODY who liked the first one is going to see this. NOBODY from the pink-haired, potbelly, cat-lady Twitter brigade is going to watch this movie. And that's made even worse by the fact that the (allegedly) straight Phoenix just dropped out of a movie where he was going to have some pretty graphic gay sex scenes last minute, basically destroying the chances that the movie ever gets made, so the entire LGBTQIAC3P0+ community has their pitchforks out for him right now. And not just him... Everybody involved in the process of getting that movie made because they chose not to cast an actual gay man for the roll and then he dropped out and ruined the chances that movie ever gets made by anyone. (See Post Below This)
The only audience Joker 2 is going to have is the dwindling 30-40 year old Lady Gaga cultist weirdos, and according to what I read on the Gaga fansite the other day none of them are looking forward to this movie at all and it appears that they're only buying a ticket and going to see it to support her because they're obligated to their aging cult leader.
Personally, I hope this is the end of Todd Phillips' career.
I can tell you for sure that this is the first and last $200 Million budget movie he's ever going to be directing.
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This is the movie that Phoenix dropped out of that I mentioned in the previous post. I found this article the other day when I was looking for early reviews on the Joker 2 movie...
Joaquin Phoenix Puts the ‘Quitter’ in LGBTQ
https://www.vulture.com/article/joaquin-phoenix-todd-haynes-gay-romanc
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Why did Phoenix leave?
Allegedly, he got “cold feet.” We’d note that it would also require a cold heart to leave fully built sets in Guadalajara, and a crew that is ready to work. Danny Ramirez of Top Gun: Maverick was reportedly set to play his love interest. There has been no comment from Phoenix’s camp yet confirming why he left. There’s reportedly speculation among the crew that the exit has to do with the planned NC-17 gay scenes in the film, but Phoenix is the one who pitched the “love story and with a strong sexual component,” as Haynes previously told Variety. “Joaquin was pushing it further into more dangerous territory, sexually,” Haynes said at the time. What a tease. Lemme Go Berate This Quitter+.
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Why not just recast him?
A reasonable question. Sources claimed to Variety that Phoenix’s role as a corrupt cop in the 1930s cannot be recast, meaning the crew is now unemployed and losses could go up to seven figures. The assumed issue is that multiple international distributors have already purchased rights to the project with the expectation that it will star Phoenix. With Phoenix out, the contracts for those sales may no longer apply, and that funding is now withdrawn.
How have the cast and crew responded?
Prolific indie-film producer Christine Vachon, Haynes’s long-time partner at Killer Films, confirmed on Facebook on August 9 that a “version” of Phoenix’s departure did happen, and she asked people not to blame the straight-casting choice for the outcome. “And PLEASE – if you are tempted to finger wag or admonish us that ‘that’s what you get for casting a straight actor’ –DON’T,” she explained. “This was HIS project that he brought to US– and Killer’s record on working with LGBTQ actors/crew/directors speaks for itself. (and for those of you who HAVE– know that you are making a terrible situation even worse).”
Others within the industry also seem hostile toward Phoenix over the incident. “There’s been a huge amount of outrage,” one anonymous studio exec told The Hollywood Reporter. THR also reported that he nearly backed out of Ridley Scott’s 2023 film Napoleon, saying he would leave unless Paul Thomas Anderson did rewrites. Once Anderson was brought in, Phoenix acquiesced.
Okay, so … what’s happening next?
Phoenix has the Joker sequel coming out later in 2024, so it’s unlikely that his behavior will put him on any blacklists. While it’s unlikely that an Oscar-winning star of his caliber is going to be stopped from working, Phoenix could definitely face legal consequences. “Back in the 1990s, Kim Basinger got sued for verbally agreeing to do Boxing Helena and then bailing on the project (which wound up shooting with Sherilyn Fenn and flopped mightily),” Ebiri adds. “She lost the case and it nearly destroyed her career. I would not be surprised if Phoenix wound up getting seriously sued for this.”
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Also seems to be Disliked by International Audience, terrible Overseas reports
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https://x.com/meJat32/status/1841759001366679720
Korea - $1.75M
France - $1.3M
Italy - $1M
India - $0.75M
Joker 2 Is TRASH and You're A DEGENERATE - Joker: Folie à Deux Film Review, The Aussie Critic
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Joker: Folie a Deux - The Sequel Nobody Wanted , The Critical Drinker
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5 Reasons Why Joker: Folie à Deux Is Already a Box Office Flop
https://fandomwire.com/5-reasons-why-joker-folie-a-deux-is-already-a-b
ox-office-flop/
JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX's Rotten Tomatoes Score Plummets (And Its Audience Score Is Even Worse)
https://comicbookmovie.com/batman/joker/joker-folie-deuxs-rotten-tomat
oes-score-plummets-and-its-audience-score-is-even-worse-a213681
Just How Bad Does It Look For ‘Joker 2’? Critical Pans And Worsening Box Office Predictions Spell Doom
https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2024/10/04/just-how-bad-does-
it-look-for-joker-2-critical-pans-and-worsening-box-office-predictions-spell-doom/
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I'm surprised it made $7 Million last night. Must be a number of fans of the first movie who don't pay attention to early reviews online. Bruce says it's probably going to make only $50 Million this weekend though, which shaves another $11 Million off his model's prediction based off of that preview number. Sure a far cry from the nearly $100 Million they were expecting this thing to make just a few weeks ago.
If the internationals are as bad as you say they are, Jaynez, we'll already know that this thing is toast by Monday morning. International audiences came out and saw the first movie at a ratio of more than 2 to 1 to the US audience when it blew past $1 Billion. So unless that trend keeps up a 2nd time, this thing isn't going to come close to making the production budget back on opening weekend. If you don't remember, a movie that doesn't make 80% of it on opening weekend over the last few years has just about 0% chance to break even, and of those which make only 80% to 100% of the budget back on opening weekend, it's just about a coinflip. And with all the hate I'm seeing from this movie, I doubt very much that it would be on the winning side of that coinflip if it doesn't gross over $200 Million worldwide by Monday morning. I expect a huge drop in the US on the 2nd weekend. The higher the US number is this weekend, the bigger the drop will be next weekend.
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Who is the audience for this? Who was this made for?
NOBODY who liked the first one is going to see this. NOBODY from the pink-haired, potbelly, cat-lady Twitter brigade is going to watch this movie. And that's made even worse by the fact that the (allegedly) straight Phoenix just dropped out of a movie where he was going to have some pretty graphic gay sex scenes last minute, basically destroying the chances that the movie ever gets made, so the entire LGBTQIAC3P0+ community has their pitchforks out for him right now. And not just him... Everybody involved in the process of getting that movie made because they chose not to cast an actual gay man for the roll and then he dropped out and ruined the chances that movie ever gets made by anyone. (See Post Below This)
The only audience Joker 2 is going to have is the dwindling 30-40 year old Lady Gaga cultist weirdos, and according to what I read on the Gaga fansite the other day none of them are looking forward to this movie at all and it appears that they're only buying a ticket and going to see it to support her because they're obligated to their aging cult leader.
Personally, I hope this is the end of Todd Phillips' career.
I can tell you for sure that this is the first and last $200 Million budget movie he's ever going to be directing.
I'm seeing this echoed by the critic reviews on Rotten Tomatoes.
"It's boring, it's bizarre and it doesn't have enough Lady Gaga. It's not for comic book lovers, it's not for Little Monsters and it's not for fans of Joker. Honestly, it's just plain weird. "
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