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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Saturday, September 2, 2023 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Losses

From the article you are quoting: The New Orleans panel's book introduction concluded "that Bacque is wrong on nearly every major and nearly all his minor charges seem to us to be overwhelmingly obvious. To sum up: Eisenhower was not a Hitler, he did not run death camps, German prisoners did not die by the hundreds of thousands, there was indeed a severe world food shortage in 1945, there was nothing sinister or secret about DEF designation or about the Other Losses column. Bacque's "Missing Million" were old and young boys in the militia dismissed early from the American camps; they were escapees from camps and POWs/DEFs transferred from camp to camp in Germany and Europe for various reasons."[43]

Signym, you wrote falsehoods or, at even worst, you deliberately are misleading.

On the other hand, Russians deliberately slayed millions after peace was declared in WWII, so Ukrainians would not be surrendering to Russians during this most recent war.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, September 3, 2023 12:06 AM

Why were Red Cross inspections not allowed? Why was a separate category created ("disarmed enemy force" similar to our "enemy combatant") which placed the prisoners - clearly POWs - outside of the Geneva Convention? Was some kind of rationale ever expressed...eg fear that free communication to outsiders might create some sort of resistance movement? Or was it just knowledge that due to the food and materiel shortage in Europe (and USA commander reluctance to request massive allotments for former enemies) that prisoners would be on starvation rations and not held under required conditions?

On what basis did New Orleans (sic) book panel decide he was wrong? Did they do a separate investigation? Go to original sources.. food allotments for the camps, transfer or release documents, numbers of blankets and bunks and toilets etc. Or do we have only the military's word that everything was fine? Or did we release prisoners to local custody where we knew they would be mistreated?

AS I POSTED, I didn't believe the book word for word. In fact, I disputed it vigorously when I read it. But it made me realize that I had nothing but ASSUMPTION on my part, and it raised enough questions backed by evidence (photos, manifests, testimony) that I realized the whole issue actually would need a detailed investigation in order to be resolved. So to me the issue is unresolved.

But I don't ASSUME, as you did SECOND, that we didn't kill or mistreat anyone.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Sunday, September 3, 2023 12:16 AM

And now, back to the topic at-hand: Ukraine's counteroffensive is clearly failing. Over two months, an estimated 40,000+ have been killed. Zelenskiy is going to dragoon people off the streets: he wants to raise another 200,000 now and 300,000 in the winter.

So the question is: what will Russia do? Will they come out from behind their defenses?

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Sunday, September 3, 2023 9:19 AM

If you want to know the real history of Russia- not the cartoon that SECOND always pushrs- listen to the first 5-8 minutes of Ray McGovern. Ray is a former CIA analyst on Russia, and an advisor to Presidents. He knows the Russian language, Russian history , and Russian politics.

If you care to listen further, they discuss why Biden* is so desperate to remain President. But I'll address that in the thread about 2024 elections.




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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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THG
Sunday, September 3, 2023 4:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

And now, back to the topic at-hand: Ukraine's counteroffensive is clearly failing. Over two months, an estimated 40,000+ have been killed. Zelenskiy is going to dragoon people off the streets: he wants to raise another 200,000 now and 300,000 in the winter.

So the question is: what will Russia do? Will they come out from behind their defenses?




Ukraine deals “crushing blow” to Russian soldiers in Bakhmut

Ukraine has dealt a “crushing blow” to Russian ground forces in Bakhmut. This reports the German news website n-tv.de with reference to a corresponding Telegram post by Colonel General Oleksandr Syrskyi, commander of Ukrainian ground forces.

According to the report, Ukrainian soldiers would continue to advance on the front line near Bakhmut. “The soldiers are constantly destroying Russian equipment and manpower.” The 22nd Separate Mechanized Brigade was deployed on the ground, he said. A BM-21 “Grad” missile system had delivered a devastating blow to enemy infantry. To back up the statement, Syrskyi posted a video to the post. “Combat operations continue,” Syrskyi concludes at the end of his report.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-deals-crushing-blow-to-ru
ssian-soldiers-in-bakhmut/ar-AA1ganso?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8b60a2a40ca3413b9708e32e12b64c9e&ei=56




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THG
Sunday, September 3, 2023 4:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

If you want to know the real history of Russia- not the cartoon that SECOND always pushrs- listen to the first 5-8 minutes of Ray McGovern. Ray is a former CIA analyst on Russia, and an advisor to Presidents. He knows the Russian language, Russian history , and Russian politics.

If you care to listen further, they discuss why Biden* is so desperate to remain President. But I'll address that in the thread about 2024 elections.




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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM







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THG
Sunday, September 3, 2023 4:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

If you want to know the real history of Russia- not the cartoon that SECOND always pushrs- listen to the first 5-8 minutes of Ray McGovern. Ray is a former CIA analyst on Russia, and an advisor to Presidents. He knows the Russian language, Russian history , and Russian politics.

If you care to listen further, they discuss why Biden* is so desperate to remain President. But I'll address that in the thread about 2024 elections.




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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM







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Sunday, September 3, 2023 5:38 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If you want to know the real history of Russia- not the cartoon that SECOND always pushrs- listen to the first 5-8 minutes of Ray McGovern.

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM

Russia's real history is reenacted by North Korea today:

North Korea stages mock 'nuclear attack', 9 hours ago

Pyongyang's intent was to show strength and "warn enemies."

As part of the drill, mock atomic warheads attached to two long-range missiles were testfired off the west coast of the country.

South Korea's joint chief of staff confirmed on Saturday that an unspecified number of cruise missiles were launched toward the Yellow Sea.

Pyongyang said that the joint exercises reflected how the US and South Korea were pursuing "confrontation hysteria."

That statement came even as North Korea this year has conducted a record number of weapons tests.

UN resolutions prohibit isolated North Korea from launching and testing ballistic missiles of any range.

https://www.dw.com/en/north-korea-stages-mock-nuclear-attack/a-6670562
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Signym, North Korea also slaughtered tens of millions of North Koreans, reenacting that part of Russian history. Identical to Russian history, the most capable North Koreans left the country, leaving the less capable Koreans to run things poorly. The prosperity gap between North and South Korea proves the less capable remain in North Korea. The prosperity gap between Russia and the EU proves the less capable remain in Russia.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, September 3, 2023 7:10 PM

New Russian Schoolbooks Preach Hatred of Ukraine and the West

Alexey Kovalev, Sunday September 3, 2023, 7:00 AM

When some million and a half 10th- and 11th-graders across Russia and the Russian-occupied territories of Ukraine started the school year on Friday, they received new textbooks for their history classes. Of these, the most notable is the new 11th-grade Russian history text, hastily written at the direction of a Kremlin aide to justify what the Russian government calls the “special military operation” in Ukraine. Along with the other new schoolbooks, this volume marks the latest step in the Kremlin’s years-long effort to rewrite the Russian and Soviet past for the purposes of historical whitewashing and patriotic indoctrination.

The new textbook, titled History of Russia: 1945 to the Early 21st Century, serves an obvious purpose: to imprint the Kremlin’s version of its war against Ukraine on the next generation, including thousands of young Ukrainians in the territories still occupied by Russia. Leaked online after its presentation to Russian education authorities early last month, the textbook has been blasted by Western experts and exiled Russian journalists as a wholesale falsification of commonly accepted facts—even many facts previously accepted in Russia. On Friday, Amnesty International denounced the book as a “blatant attempt to unlawfully indoctrinate school children in Russia and Russian-occupied Ukrainian territories,” pointing out that teachers in the occupied parts of Ukraine “are at risk of violence, arbitrary detention and ill-treatment” if they refuse to teach the material.

If the book’s final chapter glorifying Russia’s brutal war has rightfully attracted attention, what’s even more illuminating is the entire book’s obsession with Ukraine. Over more than 400 pages, Ukraine is mentioned more often than any other former Soviet or Russian possession. Its supposedly central role in Russia’s own history is unambiguously promoted, while Ukrainian independence and alignment with Europe are “unthinkable” and “civilization-ending.” Tellingly, the co-author of and main force behind the book, Vladimir Medinsky, is no historian, but a former journalist and public relations operative who was once Russia’s minister of culture. As a propagandist, he was part of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s Commission to Counter Attempts to Falsify History to the Detriment of Russia’s Interests—a body that kick-started various efforts to rewrite Russian history and cast the current regime in a better light. (Russian diplomatic academy historian Anatoly Torkunov is named as a second author, but it’s unclear how much of a role he played in crafting the book.)

Very much in the tradition of Soviet conspiratorial paranoia, the book also builds a narrative of constant perfidy by the West and its collaborators. Medinsky and his co-author re-litigate 77 years of Soviet and Russian history since 1945, presenting Moscow as beset by domestic and foreign enemies constantly striving to paint its actions in a bad light. The most infamous periods of Soviet history — genocides, mass deportations, political prisons, mass executions — are barely mentioned at all. If they are, they are always bookended by commentary that diminishes the atrocities, whitewashes the perpetrators, and blames the victims or the West.

Rather than shining a light on history, the new book erases it—and nowhere more so than when it talks about Ukraine. When describing Russia’s supposedly “historical” ownership of Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula, for example, the book claims that ethnic Russians make up the “absolute majority” of Crimea’s population. But Russians only became the dominant ethnicity in Crimea through a policy of colonization and ethnic cleansing—especially after 1944, when Soviet leader Joseph Stalin ordered the deportation of the indigenous Crimean Tatar population, which he falsely accused of collectively collaborating with the Nazis.

Tens of thousands of Tatar women, children, and elderly men—estimates are as high a

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Sunday, September 3, 2023 7:55 PM

The Witness, Russia’s first feature-length film about its invasion of Ukraine, premiered across the country on 17 August.

The Witness centres on a fictional character called Daniel Cohen, an esteemed Belgian violinist who arrives in Kyiv to perform in February 2022, days before Russian troops entered Ukraine.

As Russia launches its war, Cohen gets caught up in the fighting, witnessing a series of “inhuman crimes and bloody provocations by Ukrainian nationalists”, according to the movie’s premise.

At one point, a Ukrainian commander is seen walking around with a copy of Mein Kampf, while other Ukrainian soldiers pledge their allegiance to Adolf Hitler. As a witness to these unspeakable horrors, Cohen sets out to tell the world the “truth” about the conflict.

In two hours of screen time, the film covers a wide spectrum of falsehoods that the Kremlin has used to justify its invasion of Ukraine. On the eve of the invasion, Vladimir Putin said Moscow had to “denazify” its neighbour, the lie that Ukraine was infiltrated by dangerous “Nazis”.

The release of The Witness comes on the back of plans announced by the Russian authorities to boost the production of movies glorifying Moscow’s actions in Ukraine.

As the Russian authorities ramp up their war rhetoric at home, movies like The Witness raise questions about just how effective Russian propaganda films actually are.

“Russians get force-fed propaganda everywhere they go – on state television, on the street, in schools and universities,” said Ivan Philippov, creative executive at AR Content, the production company of the renowned film producer Alexander Rodnyansky.

A closed Kremlin study cited last week by the Brief telegram channel said that sociologists concluded that Russian society largely wished to ignore the war in Ukraine.

Russia has a long history under Putin of pushing propaganda-style films. Shortly after Moscow illegally annexed Crimea, the county’s culture ministry financed the movie Crimea which justified the seizure of the peninsula. Its creators said the idea for the film came directly from Sergei Shoigu, the defence minister.

Not much later, a state-sponsored romantic comedy The Crimean Bridge – about the Kerch Bridge, Putin’s prestige project – was written by Margarita Simonyan, editor-in-chief of the government-funded RT network. Just like The Witness, both films were box-office disasters and received scathing reviews from independent critics.

“Z culture simply lacks talented people,” said the veteran culture critic Mikhail Kozyrev, using a popular term to refer to creatives who have rallied around the Russian pro-war Z symbol.

Ever since the start of Russia’s war in Ukraine, hundreds of prominent film-makers, writers and singers have left the country, an exodus that has drawn parallels with the 1922 Soviet philosophers’ ships – boats that carried some of Russia’s leading intellectuals into exile.

“The level and professionalism of the artists that decided to stay in Russia and work with the state is low,” Kozyrev said. “And the viewers can feel when a movie is made on orders by the state. It just isn’t authentic.”

For some in the country, the pink alternate universe of Barbie has provided a welcome escape. While Warner Bros, the producer of the hit US film Barbie, pulled out of the country shortly after the war started, Russians have found creative ways to work around American copyrights laws, finding bootleg copies of the film that are then screened at pop-up cinemas. Some cinemas sell visitors tickets to little-known Russian short films and then show the pirated Barbie movie during the previews.

In an attempt to discourage the Barbie craze, Russia’s culture ministry on Thursday said that it won’t issue special permission to pirate copyrights to the movie, as the film was “not in line with the goals set by our president to strengthen the spiritual & traditional values of our citizens”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/02/kremlins-propaganda-film
-ukraine-war-plays-to-empty-cinemas


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