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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Friday, January 27, 2023 3:04 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It should not have been held at all, liar.


Ukrainian ex-President Viktor Yanukovych is not the only ex-President charged with treason. Petro Poroshenko has been charged, but he showed up for the legal proceedings, unlike Putin's choice for President. Poroshenko is even allowed to come and go from Ukraine.

Apparently, Poroshenko trusts the Ukrainian legal system to give him a fair trial. I wonder why Yanukovych didn't trust the system? Could it be because 100 witnesses testified under oath that Yanukovych was working for Putin? Yanukovych was bribed by Putin, same as, for an American example, Nixon's Vice-President Spiro Agnew, who was fined $10,000 for not paying his income taxes on bribes he received. Agnew resigned as part of the leniency deal he got.

Ukraine’s Ex-president Poroshenko Leaves Country for Political Meeting by Lulu Saghie
June 25, 2022
https://theowp.org/ukraines-ex-president-poroshenko-leaves-country-for
-political-meeting
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, January 27, 2023 6:31 PM

After two decades of reforming its armed forces, Russia expected a lightning victory in Ukraine, but the ill-starred invasion has revealed their deficiencies.

Book Reviewed: Putin’s Wars: From Chechnya to Ukraine by Mark Galeotti

The most stunning geopolitical surprise of the past year is how poorly the Russian military has been fighting in Ukraine. When Vladimir Putin ordered the invasion in February 2022, everyone—including the US intelligence analysts who had predicted it—assumed that Volodymyr Zelensky’s government in Kyiv would fall within a few weeks or even days and be replaced by a Moscow-bred puppet regime. Some anticipated that a long insurgency war might then follow, but no one was impetuous enough to guess that nearly a year later the Ukrainians would be not only fighting the Russians to a standstill but pushing them back on nearly every front.

Has the Ukrainian army turned out to be much better than imagined, or has the Russian army turned out to be a lot worse, or both? In Putin’s Wars, Mark Galeotti, a British scholar and journalist highly regarded by experts on Russian military matters, attributes the unexpected battlefield outcome to Russian weaknesses as well as Ukrainian strengths (greatly abetted by NATO weapons and American intelligence resources), but he lays out a persuasive, detailed case that Russia’s deficiencies are more severe and more deeply rooted than many Western officials and pundits had detected.

Galeotti notes that Moscow overloads its army with weapons but allots too little money and attention to the mundane stuff of logistics—spare parts, food, water, and the trucks to transport them—thus leaving supply lines vulnerable and making offensive operations unsustainable. Junior officers receive rote training, so they’re unprepared to take the initiative—a deliberate policy to keep them from rebelling against senior officers, though as a consequence, campaigns can plunge into chaos if they don’t go as planned. Combine all this with widespread hazing of enlisted men, ramshackle barracks, poor nutrition, and low pay, and it should have been foreseeable that while today’s Russian soldiers might be roused to defend the motherland, they’re lackluster at invading other countries.

Up to a week before the invasion, I was predicting that for all these reasons Putin would not go through with it. I thought he might send in troops to occupy Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region, a slice of which Russian Special Operations Forces and Moscow-backed separatist militias already controlled, but trying to conquer all of Ukraine—next to Russia itself, the largest country in the former Soviet Union, with a population of 40 million people—seemed a losing proposition. My military analysis, it turned out, was spot-on; I went wrong in overestimating Putin’s rationality.

Galeotti dissects the many ways that Putin miscalculated his military’s strength. When the Soviet Union imploded in 1991, so did its armed forces, as a result of which the new Russian state “initially had no army as such.” By the time Putin succeeded Boris Yeltsin in 2000, the military—still suffering from post–cold war torpor, like the country as a whole—was “scarcely functional.” Over the next decade and a half, through an enormous infusion of money (facilitated by higher oil prices) and spurts of creative reorganization, commanders (most of them recruited or promoted from outside the normal chain of succession) transformed it into a fighting force “capable of waging and winning a whole range of conflicts”—an impressive feat. But the range of wars that the Russian military waged and won was narrow. None of them involved the tactical complexities or fierce resistance that it met in Ukraine; and, even so, its victories were harder to pull off than they should have been.

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2023/02/09/putins-wars-from-chechnya-
to-ukraine-galeotti
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Saturday, January 28, 2023 12:06 AM

Russia’s Funeral Industry Booms Amid Heavy War Losses

“The boom began during the pandemic when demand for cremation increased,” said Dmitry Yevsikov, a mortician and crematorium equipment specialist in annexed Crimea. “In addition, land in cemeteries is physically running out,” Yevslikov told The Insider.

Yakushin identified the southern city of Rostov-on-Don near the Ukrainian border as a transshipment hub for bodies returning from Russia’s “special military operation.” He said the city is so overwhelmed that it is building a new crematorium, which he predicted would be kept busy for the next two to three years.

“Crematoriums are growing exponentially in Russia,” Yevsikov told The Insider, which estimates that the 33 crematoriums currently operating in Russia are unable to meet surging demand.

One final destination for the dead soldiers was identified as the village of Bakinskaya located 250 kilometers south of Rostov-on-Don. The New York Times reported this week that the Bakinskaya cemetery — used by the Wagner mercenary group, whose fighters are taking part in the invasion of Ukraine — has expanded sevenfold in the past two months.

Wagner founder Yevgeny Prigozhin confirmed last month that fighters were buried in Bakinskaya after space ran out at another Wagner cemetery and chapel 18 kilometers west.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/01/27/russias-funeral-industry-boo
ms-amid-heavy-war-losses-a80062


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, January 28, 2023 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It should not have been held at all, liar.


Ukrainian ex-President Viktor Yanukovych is not the only ex-President charged with treason. Petro Poroshenko has been charged, but he showed up for the legal proceedings, unlike Putin's choice for President. Poroshenko is even allowed to come and go from Ukraine.

Apparently, Poroshenko trusts the Ukrainian legal system to give him a fair trial. I wonder why Yanukovych didn't trust the system? Could it be because 100 witnesses testified under oath that Yanukovych was working for Putin? Yanukovych was bribed by Putin, same as, for an American example, Nixon's Vice-President Spiro Agnew, who was fined $10,000 for not paying his income taxes on bribes he received. Agnew resigned as part of the leniency deal he got.

Ukraine’s Ex-president Poroshenko Leaves Country for Political Meeting by Lulu Saghie
June 25, 2022
https://theowp.org/ukraines-ex-president-poroshenko-leaves-country-for
-political-meeting
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

You think aftr being VIOLENLY OVERTHROWN and running for his life, Yanukovich should trust Ukraine's "justice system"? You're confabulating, SECOND. That's what nutty people do, and people with Alzheimer's. Might want to get a checkup from the neckup.

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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

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Saturday, January 28, 2023 12:17 AM

Russian president Vladimir Putin is pardoning convicts to allow them to fight in Ukraine as members of the Wagner paramilitary group, the Kremlin has admitted.

Russia also dismissed the US Treasury’s move to label Yevgeny Prigozhin’s group, which is playing an increasingly prominent role on the front lines as Putin’s full-scale invasion enters its 12th month, as a “transnational criminal organisation”.

Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov on Friday said prisoners were being pardoned “in strict adherence with Russian law” and praised one convicted armed robber recruited by Wagner for “heroism” on the battlefield after the president gave him a medal.

After nearly a decade of shrouding the mercenary operation’s activities in secrecy, with its founder Prigozhin even claiming it did not exist, the Kremlin has embraced Wagner as a key element of its faltering efforts to defeat Ukraine and rally support for the war among an anxious population.

Though Russia initially denied the group was fighting in Ukraine, the poor performance of Russia’s regular army and widespread discontent about the campaign among Russia’s elite have allowed the former caterer, nicknamed “Putin’s chef” and himself a former convict, to establish a role as the leader of a hardline pro-war faction, and won Wagner praise on state television for its recent battlefield exploits.

Russian’s constitution gives Putin sole authority to pardon prisoners, though Peskov said “there are open decrees and there are decrees marked classified”, declining to comment further.

On New Year’s eve Putin gave Aik Gasparyan, who was serving a seven-year sentence for an armed robbery committed in 2019, a medal for “courage.” Peskov said Gasparyan “is participating in the special military operation, and he demonstrated heroism, which was rewarded with a state honour”.

Peskov shrugged off Washington’s recent move to limit Wagner’s international reach in response to extensively documented reports of alleged atrocities committed by the group in countries such as the Central African Republic, Libya and Syria, where it has taken part in covert mercenary deployments.

Peskov claimed the US had been “demonising” Wagner for “many years” and said the accusations were “unfounded”.

As part of the designation, the US issued new sanctions on Thursday against Wagner, in addition to 15 other Russian entities, eight individuals and four aircraft, in an attempt to target Russia’s battlefield resources in Ukraine.

Prigozhin has been under US sanctions since 2017 over his alleged role running an infamous troll farm in St Petersburg whose employees attempted to influence the 2016 US election by posing as Americans on social media.

In a statement published by Concord, his catering company, on Friday, Prigozhin said: “We have held an internal investigation into Wagner’s crimes, but have not found anything damaging. If anyone has any information about Wagner’s crimes, please send it to our press service or publish it in the media. So we can help our American colleagues form their position.”

UK intelligence estimates Prigozhin, a longtime Putin confidant, has recruited at least 50,000 prisoners to fight for Wagner in Ukraine.

Prigozhin has explained the recruitment drive as a necessary measure to reduce public opposition to the war stemming from Moscow’s over-reliance on the highly unpopular draft launched by Putin last September. The mobilisation prompted hundreds of thousands of men to flee the country.

He admitted to running the shadowy group later that month.

Prigozhin was pictured with alleged Wagner fighters in a salt mine in the captured town of Soledar in Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region earlier this month. The Kremlin acknowledged the group’s role in capturing Soledar, a rare success following a series of humiliating retreats from territory such as the southern city of Kherson that Putin had attempted to annex for Russia.

However, Wagner’s forces have made little concrete progress and sustained high casualties in Donbas, according to western and Ukrainian

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Saturday, January 28, 2023 12:32 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It should not have been held at all, liar.


Ukrainian ex-President Viktor Yanukovych is not the only ex-President charged with treason. Petro Poroshenko has been charged, but he showed up for the legal proceedings, unlike Putin's choice for President. Poroshenko is even allowed to come and go from Ukraine.

Apparently, Poroshenko trusts the Ukrainian legal system to give him a fair trial. I wonder why Yanukovych didn't trust the system? Could it be because 100 witnesses testified under oath that Yanukovych was working for Putin? Yanukovych was bribed by Putin, same as, for an American example, Nixon's Vice-President Spiro Agnew, who was fined $10,000 for not paying his income taxes on bribes he received. Agnew resigned as part of the leniency deal he got.

Ukraine’s Ex-president Poroshenko Leaves Country for Political Meeting by Lulu Saghie
June 25, 2022
https://theowp.org/ukraines-ex-president-poroshenko-leaves-country-for
-political-meeting
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

You think aftr being VIOLENLY OVERTHROWN and running for his life, Yanukovich should trust Ukraine's "justice system"? You're confabulating, SECOND. That's what nutty people do, and people with Alzheimer's. Might want to get a checkup from the neckup.

Investigators Say Yanukovych Gave 'Criminal Order' To Kill Protesters, which is why Yanukovych had to flee Ukraine and never return for his treason trial.
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Ukrainian security officials say the killings of protesters in Kyiv in February occurred "under the direct leadership" of ousted President Viktor Yanukovych, and accused Russian security services of involvement in the repression.

Interior Minister Arsen Avakov told a news conference in Kyiv on April 3 that Yanukovych "issued the criminal order...to open fire against protesters on February 18-20."

More than 100 people were killed during the protests which started in November, most of them between February 18 and February 20. Many of those who died appeared to have been killed by snipers.

Yanukovych fled the day after the worst of the killings by sniper fire on February 20 and was later ousted by parliament.

In Moscow, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that "huge amounts of evidence" contradicted the statement by Ukrainian authorities that snipers loyal to Yanukovych opened fire on Kyiv protesters.

Lavrov told reporters that "the truth about snipers has to be established in a transparent way."

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-yanukovych-behind-protest-deaths/25320
039.html


The investigation that Russia demanded was done. In 2018, the policemen working directly for Yanukovych who killed protestors were on trial for murder. Since Yanukovych left for Russia, he did not show up for the trial.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/30/magazine/ukraine-protest-video.html

How did the trial end? It has not ended, yet. It is very complicated because some of the defendants were in a prisoner exchange and others fled to Russia before the trial began and still others were improperly released by a judge who then fled to Russia. It is a huge mess. https://www.google.com/search?q=ukrainian+court+rules+on+Maidan+murder
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Here is a sample of how absurdly lawyers have handled the situation:

Imagine a European capital city where dozens of unarmed protesters are shot down in broad daylight. Now imagine that six years later, those responsible for the slaughter have still not been brought to justice. Inconceivable? Incredibly, this is precisely the situation in today’s Ukraine, where scores of protesters participating in the country’s Revolution of Dignity were killed in the vicinity of Kyiv’s Independence Square (Maidan) in late February 2014.

Ukrainian President V

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Saturday, January 28, 2023 12:38 AM

Fuck Ukraine.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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Saturday, January 28, 2023 3:41 AM

Yeah, and Milosevic was accused of genocide. He died in prison but, hey! He was (eventually) found innocent!

You should know all about bogus accusations, SECOND. You make them all the time!

Oh, and ... Fuck Ukraine.

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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

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Saturday, January 28, 2023 4:36 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yeah, and Milosevic was accused of genocide. He died in prison but, hey! He was (eventually) found innocent!

You should know all about bogus accusations, SECOND. You make them all the time!

Miloševic was found dead in his cell on 11 March 2006, but he was NOT found innocent. That after 295 witnesses, about 5,000 exhibits, and 466 hearing days. In 2021, two Milosevic aides were convicted of war crimes. The men entered court custody in 2003 and were acquitted in an initial trial in 2013. But appeals judges ordered a retrial in 2015. The product of a trial is words, not justice. Lawyers do love to talk but do hate to make irrevocable decisions. Unlike slow lawyers, I am unafraid when my quick decisions are cast in concrete and steel.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Milosevic+guilty

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, January 28, 2023 4:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yeah, and Milosevic was accused of genocide. He died in prison but, hey! He was (eventually) found innocent!

You should know all about bogus accusations, SECOND. You make them all the time!

Oh, and ... Fuck Ukraine.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake





Hehe.

Rawdawged... And without buying dinner first.



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