A remarkable and nightmarish scene playing out in Portland should terrify anyone who cares about the US constitution
POSTED BY: reaverfan
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 2, 2026 18:21
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Honestly, at this point no one should be protesting unless ... they meet a few conditions (as Signy alluded to earlier) ...
they're easily identifiable, like France's gilllettes jaune
they're EXTREMELY disciplined and don't devolve to violence, even if(when) provoked
they remain cohesive instead of scattering around
they have enough muscle to police their lines and keep interlopers out
they independently document their actions
Otherwise, imo, anyone with a legitimate demonstration is merely acting as cover for third parties - which, considering how things are going - is every unorganized, undisciplined demonstration.
And who benefits from the violence? And who does it hurt?
The locals for sure are being damaged, no matter what their opinion is or their participation - or lack of it. And the street battles between the many groups are NOT going to result in a field victory for anyone. Nor will they result in a PR victory for any group. I don't think the unaffiliated observers sympathize any more with the tactics of any of them in particular.
So what's the point?
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THG:
Your [sic] funny comrade SIG. And yes, very stupid for conning yourself into believing the posters aren't on to you.
Here's an example comrade sig. You suggesting cutting ourselves off from our trading partners.
You frame things in such catastrophic terms! Last I looked, we were trading with out "trading partners" BEFORE TTIP, and guess what? We're STILL trading with them today! Even without the TTIP!
As far as "protecting our intellectual property", the big baddie on that is CHINA, and China would not have been a signatory, so ... how would it have protected our intellectual property? In any case, in order to do business in China, companies have to sign "technology transfer" agreements, so setting aside knockoffs, most of the technolgoy transfer was done by corporations.
But I noticed you have not replied to most of my other points...
Quote:Since when is "reindustrializing" America in Putin's interest? Or putting the dollar on a more secure footing?
SIGNY: When have I EVER posted anything that was not in Americans' interests? That's why I was so against the TPP and the TTIP. That's why I'm adamantly against illegal immigration. That's why I think we should pull out of all of the pointless "interventions" that we engaged in, and use the saved money for things like ... oh, I dunno... maybe Medicare for all. We need to reindustrialize and stop being dependent on foreign supply chains. We need to repair our infrastructure and make our currency mean something again by ending fractional reserve banking. We need to dissolve the Fed (which doesn't have anything to do with the Federal Government; it's a consortium of large PRIVATE banks). And we need to rehab our environment.
Just bc I don't buy into the RUSSIA!RUSSIA! hysteria ... which has time and time again been proven to be false narrative...doesn't mean I'm not for our country. You don't need to be against Russia to be for the USA, especially if Russia isn't threatening us in the way people say it is. (But it IS threatening us in a different way, and we need to respond to that, not some made up gobbledygook.)
I'm a nationalist, THG, not a "globalist". Being a nationalist may be counter to the Trotskyist vision of the future, but that's what I am. I've never had anything but AMERICA'S interests at heart.
ANSWER: IT ISN'T. This is all about what's good for America.
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Quote:Since Trump has zero interest in doing either of those things, you might better spend your time on apologia.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Since when is "reindustrializing" America in Putin's interest? Or putting the dollar on a more secure footing?
ANSWER: IT ISN'T. This is all about what's good for America.
#WEARAMASK
20,000 lies will keep you busy. Right, comrade?
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Quote:Since Biden has zero interest in either of those (and Obama had zero interest before him, and GWB and Clinton before them) you might want to dust off YOUR apology skills
Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Since Trump has zero interest in doing either of those things, you might better spend your time on apologia.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Since when is "reindustrializing" America in Putin's interest? Or putting the dollar on a more secure footing?
ANSWER: IT ISN'T. This is all about what's good for America.
#WEARAMASK
20,000 lies will keep you busy. Right, comrade?
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Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Since Trump has zero interest in doing either of those things, you might better spend your time on apologia.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Since when is "reindustrializing" America in Putin's interest? Or putting the dollar on a more secure footing?
ANSWER: IT ISN'T. This is all about what's good for America.
#WEARAMASK
20,000 lies will keep you busy. Right, comrade?
Sig just claimed to be a nationalist. That kind of agenda is definitely not good for America. Nor is the culture of nationalism. Especially when it pertains to the exclusion and detriment of the interests of our allies.
It’s also a refuge for racists, bigots and apparently Russian trolls. No, I love my country enough to denounce nationalism. I want us to be leaders not followers.
T
Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.
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Quote:Whatabout, much?
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Since Biden has zero interest in either of those (and Obama had zero interest before him, and GWB and Clinton before them) you might want to dust off YOUR apology skills
Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Since Trump has zero interest in doing either of those things, you might better spend your time on apologia.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Since when is "reindustrializing" America in Putin's interest? Or putting the dollar on a more secure footing?
ANSWER: IT ISN'T. This is all about what's good for America.
#WEARAMASK
20,000 lies will keep you busy. Right, comrade?
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Obama is not the president.
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THG, you're putting the interests of our allies above our own.
Here is that famous Russian and anti-American, Thomas Jefferson, on alliances
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"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none."
Here is another famous anti-American, George Washington, on getting involved with Europe:
Quote:https://www.owleyes.org/text/farewell-address/read/text-of-washingtons
Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice?
It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world...
-address
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Since when is "reindustrializing" America in Putin's interest? Or putting the dollar on a more secure footing?
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RF:
Since Trump has zero interest in doing either of those things, you might better spend your time on apologia.
You seem to think the problem of US deindustrialization
and becoming the world's biggest debtor nation
are problems exclusive to Trump. Or republicans.
Quote:And I assure you, Obama had his part in the destruction of America.
RF:
Obama is not the president.
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Quote:Trump has shown far more willingness than Obama, GWB, Clinton, and Bush1 to divorce from China. The rest of the gang has sucked China's dick, on corporate behalf, for decades. Look who was pushing for the TTIP: Obama. Just goes to show that selling your nation for a few shekels is an equal-opportunity endeavor!
SIGNYM:
Since when is "reindustrializing" America in Putin's interest? Or putting the dollar on a more secure footing?
ANSWER: IT ISN'T. This is all about what's good for America.
REAVERBOT: Since Trump has zero interest in doing either of those things, you might better spend your time on apologia.
20,000 lies will keep you busy. Right, comrade?
SIGNY: Since Biden has zero interest in either of those (and Obama had zero interest before him, and GWB and Clinton before them) you might want to dust off YOUR apology skills
REAVERNOT: Obama is not the president.
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If you're not a Nationalist, Ted, it's time for you to GTFO of my country.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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