Mueller Investigation Is Over / Part two are the trials. Hey Jack, I Was Right. 20 Plus Russians Charged, 19 Of Trumps People Convicted of Felonies.

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SECOND

Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:00 AM

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Originally posted by THG:

I have seen opinions shift as more is made public. I'm not convinced it won't happen.

T

Remember the Iraq War? When there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction found? Remember the fiasco during the Iraq Insurgency (2003–06)? Bush lost a few points in popularity because he was a liar and incompetent Commander-in-Chief but nothing happened to him. He got reelected when he should have been impeached for what he had done.

Bush's popularity declined between 2001 and 2004. Foreign policy was the dominant theme throughout the election campaign, particularly Bush's conduct of the War on Terrorism and the aftermath of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Bush presented himself as a decisive leader and attacked Kerry as a "flip-flopper", while Kerry criticized Bush's conduct of the Iraq War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_presidential_election

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Thursday, May 30, 2019 6:27 AM

Mueller is faithfully following DOJ policy, but the DOJ policy is just plain wrong. Mueller says that a president can be investigated but neither indicted nor accused. And his argument for not accusing him of a crime is that it would be “unfair” to accuse someone who does not have a courtroom to protest his or her innocence. But that is completely absurd: The president doesn’t have a courtroom to vindicate his innocence only because the DOJ has decided that his office makes him immune from indictment in the first place. It’s a piece of circular reasoning that removes the president from the scope of generally applicable criminal laws.

If the president were to commit a violent federal crime, it would be absurd for the DOJ to remain silent on the matter simply because the president couldn’t be charged.

There is nothing in the Constitution that states that a sitting president cannot be indicted. Language from the Clinton v. Jones and US v. Nixon cases indicates that the president is not above the law.

www.vox.com/2019/5/29/18644304/robert-mueller-statement-donald-trump-r
ussia

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:54 AM

You're right Second, it is absurd reasoning. But here's the scoop on what Mueller was talking about:

You're right, there is NO law that says you can't indict a sitting president.
It is a "memo" within the DOJ that says that...a memo. There is, however, in Article 1, a Constitutional law that charges Congress with oversight authority to keep the president in check. Part of the checks and balances written into the Constitution - THE law of the land. That check on the president is the authority to Impeach.

Article 1, Section 2, Clause 5 grants Congress the sole power of Impeachment.
Article 1, Section 3, Clause 6 grants the Senate sole power to try all impeachments. You know, the "high crimes and misdemeanors" clause.
The Chief justice shall preside. But a two thirds vote is needed to convict.

Perhaps that is why Pelosi is reluctant to impeach, because McConnell will stifle any attempt to impeach Trump. The Senate, in control by Republicans,
are kissing Trump's ring. Mueller's report is clear, the president is a criminal.

My take on this: impeach him and put the ball in the Senate's court. If the evidence is solid, then drop the hot potato on their lap. Then we'll see what happens in 2020.

SGG

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Originally posted by second:
Mueller is faithfully following DOJ policy, but the DOJ policy is just plain wrong. Mueller says that a president can be investigated but neither indicted nor accused. And his argument for not accusing him of a crime is that it would be “unfair” to accuse someone who does not have a courtroom to protest his or her innocence. But that is completely absurd: The president doesn’t have a courtroom to vindicate his innocence only because the DOJ has decided that his office makes him immune from indictment in the first place. It’s a piece of circular reasoning that removes the president from the scope of generally applicable criminal laws.

If the president were to commit a violent federal crime, it would be absurd for the DOJ to remain silent on the matter simply because the president couldn’t be charged.

There is nothing in the Constitution that states that a sitting president cannot be indicted. Language from the Clinton v. Jones and US v. Nixon cases indicates that the president is not above the law.

www.vox.com/2019/5/29/18644304/robert-mueller-statement-donald-trump-r
ussia

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, May 30, 2019 10:00 AM

Mueller also strongly rebuked Barr. Of course, he did it in polite lawyer-speak. Barr may very well be impeached as well.

SGG

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Originally posted by THG:
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Originally posted by second:

The most important line in Wednesday’s Robert Mueller statement: “If we had confidence that the president clearly did NOT commit a crime, we would have said that.” He did commit a crime, but I can't say that is what Mueller meant.

He said the evidence wasn't there to charge conspiracy but strongly suggested it is there concerning obstruction. What he did is to give congress a kick in the ass for their inaction in front of the country. When congress is back in Washington there will be a lot more pressure to act in a more determined way.

T

SECOND

Thursday, May 30, 2019 6:09 PM

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump tweeted this morning:

Russia, Russia, Russia! That’s all you heard at the beginning of this Witch Hunt Hoax...And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected. It was a crime that didn’t exist. So now the Dems and their partner, the Fake News Media, say he fought back against this phony crime that didn’t exist, this horrendous false acquisition, and he shouldn’t fight back, he should just sit back and take it. Could this be Obstruction? No, Mueller didn’t find Obstruction either. Presidential Harassment!
4:38 AM - 30 May 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1134066371510378501

What did Mueller say to piss-off Trump? In a 9 minute statement Robert Mueller Destroyed Trump's claim that Russia's attack on our election in 2016 was a "hoax" and that Trump was exonerated of all crimes. Instead Mueller reminded us Russia helped Trump win and he was barred from charging Trump with crimes:

Let me begin where the appointment order begins: and that is interference in the 2016 presidential election.

As alleged by the grand jury in an indictment, Russian intelligence officers who were part of the Russian military launched a concerted attack on our political system. The indictment alleges that they used sophisticated cyber techniques to hack into computers and networks used by the Clinton campaign. They stole private information, and then released that information through fake online identities and through the organization WikiLeaks. The releases were designed and timed to interfere with our election and to damage a presidential candidate.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/05/29/mueller-read-his-comme
nts-russia-trump-lack-charges/1270761001/

Trump made a liar, liar, pants on fire claim that millions of illegal votes cost him a popular vote victory. He never retracted the lie although he had an investigation that proved he is a liar.
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/nov/28/donald-trump/d
onald-trumps-pants-fire-claim-millions-illegal-vo/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, May 30, 2019 6:24 PM

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Originally posted by second:

As alleged by the grand jury in an indictment, Russian intelligence officers who were part of the Russian military launched a concerted attack on our political system. The indictment alleges that they used sophisticated cyber techniques to hack into computers and networks used by the Clinton campaign. They stole private information, and then released that information through fake online identities and through the organization WikiLeaks. The releases were designed and timed to interfere with our election and to damage a presidential candidate.

Let's nobody forget that at the end of the day when the Clinton campaign was made aware that their illegal server was compromised that they proceeded to bleach the system and take hammers to all of their smart phones.

Let's also not forget that John Podesta's creepy ass e-mails weren't hacked at all, but they were downloaded from his phone that he left in a taxi cab.

We still haven't been presented with any actual proof that any hacking came out of Russia. Just because it's in an official document that hasn't gone anywhere, it's still one man's word with zero evidence provided.

But to play the devil's advocate, let's just forget all that and say that somebody in Russia was responsible for the hacking.

So what?

If Clinton hadn't been doing anything illegal in the first place, then she had nothing to worry about. I feel whoever released the data to Wikileaks did the American people a service, whoever it was and regardless of what their motives were.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Thursday, May 30, 2019 6:40 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Let's nobody forget that at the end of the day when the Clinton campaign was made aware that their illegal server was compromised that they proceeded to bleach the system and take hammers to all of their smart phones.

Let's also not forget that John Podesta's creepy ass e-mails weren't hacked at all, but they were downloaded from his phone that he left in a taxi cab.

We still haven't been presented with any actual proof that any hacking came out of Russia. Just because it's in an official document that hasn't gone anywhere, it's still one man's word with zero evidence provided.

But to play the devil's advocate, let's just forget all that and say that somebody in Russia was responsible for the hacking.

So what?

If Clinton hadn't been doing anything illegal in the first place, then she had nothing to worry about. I feel whoever released the data to Wikileaks did the American people a service, whoever it was.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ixStringJack, none of your crap is illegal. You know it. Trump knows it. Neither of you've got anything on the Democrats or else there would be indictments. But there are 100 indictments against Republicans, Russians, Trump's lawyer, Trump's campaign manager. You said only yesterday you'd stop commenting on my posts. Keep your word.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61954&mid=10766
44#1076644

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, May 30, 2019 6:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Let's nobody forget that at the end of the day when the Clinton campaign was made aware that their illegal server was compromised that they proceeded to bleach the system and take hammers to all of their smart phones.

Let's also not forget that John Podesta's creepy ass e-mails weren't hacked at all, but they were downloaded from his phone that he left in a taxi cab.

We still haven't been presented with any actual proof that any hacking came out of Russia. Just because it's in an official document that hasn't gone anywhere, it's still one man's word with zero evidence provided.

But to play the devil's advocate, let's just forget all that and say that somebody in Russia was responsible for the hacking.

So what?

If Clinton hadn't been doing anything illegal in the first place, then she had nothing to worry about. I feel whoever released the data to Wikileaks did the American people a service, whoever it was.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
6ixStringJack, none of your crap is illegal. You know it. Trump knows it. Neither of you've got anything on the Democrats or else there would be indictments. But there are 100 indictments against Republicans, Russians, Trump's lawyer, Trump's campaign manager. You said only yesterday you'd stop commenting on my posts. Keep your word.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61954&mid=10766
44#1076644

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I never made any promises. I'm certainly not going to stop arguing my beliefs here. I'm just think I'm done replying to your ceaseless insults that litter every post you make these days.

In fact, the part that I quoted wasn't even written by you. I know that can be hard for some people to figure out, since you never use quotes when you're quoting a source. Maybe after you make a post here that was ripped from another site and not properly quoted you believe that you wrote the stuff yourself?

And as for possible indictments against Democrats, specifically the Clintons, only time will tell. Their well known attempt to destroy all the evidence after the fact suggests that they knew full well that they were breaking the law.

And as for the current indictments against Republicans, I'm all on board with it, just like I've said here a hundred times already. I'm not a Republican, and it makes me smile when any politician or bureaucrat goes to jail and/or loses their ill-earned cushy job. Something else I've said a hundred times here already.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Thursday, May 30, 2019 6:53 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I never made any promises. I'm certainly not going to stop arguing my beliefs here. I'm just think I'm done replying to your ceaseless insults that litter every post you make these days.

In fact, the part that I quoted wasn't even written by you. I know that can be hard for some people to figure out, since you never use quotes when you're quoting a source. Maybe after you make a post here that was ripped from another site and not properly quoted you believe that you wrote the stuff yourself?

And as for possible indictments against Democrats, specifically the Clintons, only time will tell. Their well known attempt to destroy all the evidence after the fact suggests that they knew full well that they were breaking the law.

And as for the current indictments against Republicans, I'm all on board with it, just like I've said here a hundred times already. I'm not a Republican, and it makes me smile when any politician or bureaucrat goes to jail and/or loses their ill-earned cushy job. Something else I've said a hundred times here already.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, you and Trump are compatible. You both can't keep a promise. You can't stop talking. You can't stop whining. You can't solve problems. And you can't pin a crime on the Democrats. I wonder what Trump's lawyer and campaign manager had for breakfast in prison today?

I checked just a moment ago on Trump. He is whining again: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
Not very Presidential of him, is it? (You can tell which tweets are by his staff. Those are the ones that do make sense and don't complain about how the world is so mean to Trump. The guy is a non-stop complainer. Sad. )

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, May 30, 2019 7:44 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I'm just think I'm done replying to your ceaseless insults that litter every post you make these days.

Hey! Can I get one of those too, F-head?

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