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Mueller Investigation Is Over / Part two are the trials. Hey Jack, I Was Right. 20 Plus Russians Charged, 19 Of Trumps People Convicted of Felonies.

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SECOND

Saturday, May 25, 2019 6:26 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECONRATE is still stuck in the first stage of grief: denial.

As a reminder of what this thread is about:

MUELLER INVESTAGATION [SIC] IS OVER

Trump is playing games now that he is investigating the Mueller probe. This won't end well . . . for Trump.
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/445515-five-takeaways-fro
m-barrs-new-powers-in-spying-probe
Reagan's Sarah Huckabee Sanders is shot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Brady

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, May 25, 2019 8:02 PM

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Originally posted by second:
This won't end well . . . for Trump.

Did anybody else just have an episode of Deja Vu?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Saturday, May 25, 2019 8:23 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
This won't end well . . . for Trump.

Did anybody else just have an episode of Deja Vu?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Are you expecting a bullet in Trump's heart to signal that his reign did not go as he promised? You won't get such a clear denouncement. That only happens on fantasy TV series where the writers make it very clear to the dumbest members in the audience (6ix and Signym) what happened. Game of Thrones had the evil queen knifed in the heart by her lover a moment before she sits down upon the Iron Throne. Melania won't kill Trump in the White House bedroom to signal the end of Trump's reign and the start of Mike Pence's. With Trump, his administration will get more and more chaotic until the dizzy old fool falls down exhausted. His voters won't understand what happened. They will blame the Democrats rather than Trump and shout "Treason!"

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 25, 2019 10:43 PM

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The move affords Barr considerable new powers to view and potentially release highly classified material gathered by the FBI and CIA in the course of the Russia investigation.

“As far as I know, it is unprecedented for the president to delegate his authority to declassify to somebody who is not the original classifier,” said Steven Cash, an ex-CIA officer and former chief counsel to Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.).
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“He’s now in the chain of command with respect to classification between the president and Coats or Haspel or whoever’s information it is,” added Cash, who is now an attorney specializing in national security law at the law firm Day Pitney.

Trump’s move also reflects the growing trust he has in Barr, who has earned praise from the president as a result of his handling of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report and decision to open up an inquiry into the origins of the Russia investigation.

The new declassification powers are limited to materials related to Barr’s inquiry into the Russia probe. The memo released Thursday states that the powers will terminate when Barr leaves his post and will not extend to the next attorney general.

Potential for conflict with intelligence community

Trump is no stranger to conflict with U.S. intelligence agencies, and former officials say his latest move could put the intelligence chiefs in a difficult position.
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While it’s not unusual for the intelligence community to cooperate with law enforcement investigations, some former officials say it will become problematic if Trump is seen as using the agencies to go after his political enemies.

John Sipher, a retired member of the CIA’s clandestine service, said it could create problems for Haspel and others if the president looks to “scapegoat” officials who collected intelligence that formed the basis for the Russia investigation.

“Hopefully, Barr and people in the national security structure of Justice go about this in a standard way. They can get the information they need,” Sipher said. “If he himself is trying to get specific information to be used by the president for political purposes, then he’s really being irresponsible.”

Some also say that even the threat of declassifying materials could chill existing intelligence sources and make it difficult to cultivate new ones going forward. Foreign partners may also be wary of sending intelligence to the U.S. if they think it could ultimately be made public.

It is unclear to what extent the intelligence agencies were consulted before Thursday’s announcement.
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Coats said in a statement Friday afternoon he would provide Barr with the “appropriate information” in his review. He also expressed confidence the attorney general would work with the intelligence community “in accordance with the long-established standards to protect highly-sensitive classified information that, if publicly released, would put our national security at risk.”

An FBI spokesperson declined to comment, and a CIA spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment.

Barr’s use of the term “spying” has already put him at odds with FBI Director Christopher Wray, who told lawmakers during testimony earlier this month that he wouldn’t use that term to describe lawful FBI investigations. Wray also said he had no evidence “personally” that FBI agents illegally surveilled the Trump campaign.

At the same time, Wray described Barr’s review as appropriate and said he had been in “fairly close contact” with the attorney general to assist him.

Democratic fury meets Republican praise

Democrats, already critical of Barr’s handling of Mueller’s findings, have accused Trump and the attorney general of attempting to politicize the nation’s intelligence apparatus. Some suggested the administration may be looking to selectively release classified material to shape a false narrative.

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) described Trump’s order in a statement Friday as a "corrupt escalation of the Pre

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, May 26, 2019 1:41 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
This won't end well . . . for Trump.

Did anybody else just have an episode of Deja Vu?

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Are you expecting a bullet in Trump's heart to signal that his reign did not go as he promised? You won't get such a clear denouncement. That only happens on fantasy TV series where the writers make it very clear to the dumbest members in the audience (6ix and Signym) what happened. Game of Thrones had the evil queen knifed in the heart by her lover a moment before she sits down upon the Iron Throne. Melania won't kill Trump in the White House bedroom to signal the end of Trump's reign and the start of Mike Pence's. With Trump, his administration will get more and more chaotic until the dizzy old fool falls down exhausted. His voters won't understand what happened. They will blame the Democrats rather than Trump and shout "Treason!"

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Goes on to signal that Trump's end won't be written like a stupid TV show, written for stupid people.

Follows it up with details of a stupid TV show written for stupid people, without the courtesy of even a spoiler alert.

Sorry. I have no idea what characters or events you're referencing in this Game of Thrones show you're talking about, stupid.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, May 27, 2019 1:02 AM

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What I gather from the article that SECONDRATE linked is that the Democrats are shitting bricks because the "intelligence" agencies can no longer keep secret any malfeasnace that they may have been engaged in with Obama, Hillary, MI6, Ukraine and who-knows-who-else.

That's it SIGGY! You've done it! You've cracked the case wide open.
Finally, the utter and sheer arrogance of the DEEP STATE will be forever
and permanently exposed to the world. Finally the Dems will pay for their
villainy and treachery. Well, it had to happen sooner or later. There's no
denying it.

Finally the Trumpsters will have their wet dreams come true. Finally they can
truly say "Lock Them Up" and mean it. All will be exposed, all will be revealed. The $100 dollar bill will have Trump's face on it, and the $50 dollar bill will have that champion of champions.....Bill Barr. What a hero!
Gone will be the admiration people falsely have for Obama and greatly replaced
with that Genius of all Geniuses, Donnie Jay. Or is it, Supreme Leader!?

Yeah, Democracy totally fucked up. And now, they must pay the piper.

The nightmare is about to - you fill in the blank.

sgg

SIGNYM

Monday, May 27, 2019 2:18 AM

Hey SGG, whatever happened to that post of mine that you said you were going to unpack?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, May 27, 2019 3:11 AM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

That's it SIGGY! You've done it! You've cracked the case wide open.

Was that a My Cousin Vinny quote? It sounded like a My Cousin Vinnie quote.

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Finally, the utter and sheer arrogance of the DEEP STATE will be forever
and permanently exposed to the world. Finally the Dems will pay for their
villainy and treachery. Well, it had to happen sooner or later. There's no
denying it.

I might be wrong, but I don't think that Sigs has ever said that the Deep State was a Democrat party thing. I would argue her on that if it was her belief.

Sure... Obama and the Clintons were Deep State friendly, but so were the Bushes.

Trump at least seemed to be a sort of wildcard that didn't seem associated or to have been in the pockets of anyone. (I mean, that is, if you didn't buy into the whole Russia/Putin narrative anyhow).

That may or may not have been true, but that was at least the way everything seemed in 2016 and the 24/7 media onslaught by multi-national owned news outlets ever since would seem to at least keep up the illusion that he's not a part of it.

I'd say that only time will tell, but, yanno... history is written by the winners. I can't really recall when the American Working Class as a whole has been a winner, at least in my life.

No matter what the history books end up saying about this era of American History, I'm going to take it with a grain of salt. 50 years later they're going to re-write it again anyhow, so I figure no point in dwelling on it too much.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, May 27, 2019 10:14 AM

Oh yeeaaaahhhh. That little bit of genius diatribe. Soon come.

sgg

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hey SGG, whatever happened to that post of mine that you said you were going to unpack?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, May 27, 2019 11:07 AM

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Was that a My Cousin Vinny quote? It sounded like a My Cousin Vinnie quote.

Very good Jack, very good.

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I might be wrong, but I don't think that Sigs has ever said that the Deep State was a Democrat party thing. I would argue her on that if it was her belief.

I may be wrong but, neither have I; never uttered a word about Dems being Deep State or that Sigs ever said that.

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Sure... Obama and the Clintons were Deep State friendly, but so were the Bushes.

But of course you would say that; plus the very next sentence.......

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Trump at least seemed to be a sort of wildcard that didn't seem associated or to have been in the pockets of anyone. (I mean, that is, if you didn't buy into the whole Russia/Putin narrative anyhow).

Of course you would say that he's NOT associated with anyone; or more correctly, that it didn't "seem" to be so. "Seemed" being the key word.
Not wanting to put words into anyone's mouth here, but I don't buy into anything. Common sense and the obvious behavior patterns, those are my keys.
Well, at least when it comes to simplistic narcissistic-like denials. As far
as Obama/Bush/Clinton is concerned; well we all know their guilty. That's
a given. Only Trump is completely pure and clean. As clean as the preachers sheets, of course.

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That may or may not have been true, but that was at least the way everything seemed in 2016 and the 24/7 media onslaught by multi-national owned news outlets ever since would seem to at least keep up the illusion that he's not a part of it.

There goes that word "seemed" again. Funny how that keeps cropping up to give
the festivities a Whiter Shade of Pale. All media conservative or otherwise,
all succumb to "seem" "seemed"....ALL. Nobody walks away unscathed. Illusion Jack is the name of the game. Everyone plays and the working stiff is both
the prize and the victim...all play; all except Trump...he's obviously on the
side of the working stiff. Hence the Tax break for the wealthy. Eventually it
will trickle down to the poor stiff groveling in the muck and mud for scraps.
Obviously that's his plan.

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No matter what the history books end up saying about this era of American History, I'm going to take it with a grain of salt. 50 years later they're going to re-write it again anyhow, so I figure no point in dwelling on it too much.

Yeah, that's what they want. Me, I'll fight thank you very much. Fuck them.
All of them.

But don't dwell on it too much Jack.

SGG