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Is Trump Nuts?

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Friday, April 14, 2017 9:50 AM

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Originally posted by SECOND:
https://qz.com/953908/susan-bordos-the-destruction-of-hillary-clinton-
why-did-hillary-clinton-lose-the-2016-election/

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Bordo’s central premise, she explains, is “that the Hillary Clinton who was ‘defeated’ in the 2016 election was, indeed, not a real person at all, but a caricature forged out of the stew of unexamined sexism, unprincipled partisanship, irresponsible politics, and a mass media too absorbed in ‘optics’ to pay enough attention to separating facts from rumors, lies, and speculation.”
I've read books that completely changed my mind about such basic assumptions as 'Mother Love'. But they were filled with historic data, statistics, records of personal accounts, and a logical explanation that made sense of it all.

As rare as that kind of book is, this could be one of them. But, more likely, given the overwhelming tide, this book is probably just another histrionic, hyperventilating load of bull.
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And, after eight years of a contemplative scholar-president—a black man who embodies the aloha spirit—
Was that characterization of Obama actually in the book? Did they not notice the large number of drone strikes Obama had to personally sign off? Or the multitude of countries left literally blown apart and smoldering? Things aren't looking so good for the integrity of the argument.
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The magnitude of America’s misogyny was writ large when the nation—abetted by the Electoral College, and perhaps the nefarious handiwork of a few international entities—selected a grossly inexperienced man over an experienced woman.
This is a logical falsity. They're assuming misogyny is the cause, when it's the point they need to prove. And ... did the authors not notice the failed economy?
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Bordo’s feminist analysis is concise and incisive. She moves from the double standards faced by female politicians, often in the form of the likeability penalty, through to a discussion of the ultimate red herring, “the emails”... The fact is that it was perfectly legal for Clinton to use a private email server during her tenure as secretary of state ...
This has been DIRECTLY contradicted by the IG report. Office of the Secretary: Evaluation of Email Records Management and Cybersecurity Requirements https://oig.state.gov/system/files/esp-16-03.pdf

And at this point I bailed. Either the author is sloppy, stupid, or lying. Why should I read any further?

And why should I put any trust is anyone who believes this crap?

Can you answer, SECOND?





Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?


Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Friday, April 14, 2017 7:25 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Can you answer, SECOND?

Trump has tasted human blood and he craves more and more. Is he nuts?

Trump is getting a taste for pulling the trigger.

In just the last week, the rookie commander in chief has presided over the use of some of the most powerful weaponry in the US arsenal, sending a signal that he is one President who relishes ordering the use of deadly force. It's clear that he believes Washington and the rest of the world are watching.

First, Trump dispatched Tomahawk cruise missiles to slam into an airfield belonging to President Bashar al-Assad's Syrian government forces, to punish what the US says is their use of chemical weapons.

On Thursday, the military dropped one of its most powerful non-nuclear bombs -- a 21,600-pound behemoth -- over a warren of ISIS tunnels in Afghanistan. Afghan officials said 36 militants were killed in the strike.

www.cnn.com/2017/04/14/politics/donald-trump-military-afghanistan/inde
x.html

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Friday, April 14, 2017 7:54 PM

Or it's reality. HRC lost because she's a genocidal lunatic who killed millions of people. Only she's still there pulling more stings than Putin.

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Friday, April 14, 2017 7:58 PM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
And why should I put any trust is anyone who believes this crap?



And why should we put any trust is someone who lies in every post?

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That is the point isn't it? That some here just lie and spin. Then they say, why bother, all you do is lie and spin. They spew ideological dribble and are allied with trolls and Russian sympathizers.

The most incredible thing is what they post, comment about, and claim to be factual information. No matter how outrageous the claim, they shamelessly continue. They post endless subjective nonsense which is off topic, or use fallacy of relative privation when at a loss. They attempt to make someone's perspective appear bad by comparing it with something else. Usually something not applicable to the conversation.

They don't seem to care that facts mixed with spin is false. They don't seem to care when they are outed as liars. They just move onto the next post with a self righteous indignation. An obstinate dogmatism, which prevents solutions to the myriad of world problems they claim to be concerned about. All they do here is spin their wheels.







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Friday, April 14, 2017 9:18 PM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Or it's reality. HRC lost because she's a genocidal lunatic who killed millions of people. Only she's still there pulling more stings than Putin.

There actually is an explanation of why Hillary, Trump, and the old fogies in Congress, both Dem and GOP, are too eager to kill foreigners. You can read about it in the article "Few Democratic voters back Syria bombings. So why do so many Democrats in Congress?"
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/14/15289772/democratic-voters-p
oliticians-syria


This is how the Beltway establishment, Republicans and Democrats alike, think about American foreign policy:
America’s role is to lead the world. Be it under the slogan of America’s “benevolent global hegemony,” the neoconservative version, or “the indispensable nation,” the neoliberal variant, the party in power scarcely matters. Anything that happens across the globe is potentially a critical American concern.
www.vox.com/first-person/2017/4/14/15293136/syria-strikes-trump-war

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Friday, April 14, 2017 9:44 PM

Second,

I'll take a look. I don't have any faith in neocons or neolibs, they're both globalist commies and have no interest in what's good for America.

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Friday, April 14, 2017 9:58 PM

I like that you post some good facts and opinions here SECOND. However, Vox is a left leaning publication. Sometimes factual, sometimes political in nature. This means it is important to separate reporting from far left opinions and agendas. I'll admit, some Trump supporters are annoyed by Trumps apparent change in policy, from America first, and are responding to that when asked about Syria. Many Democrats voted for Trump as well for the same reasons. Not the police men of the world, remember?





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Friday, April 14, 2017 10:53 PM

Vox is leftwing you say. The Vox article was "I voted for Trump. After the Syria strikes, I'm second-guessing my choice."

No one knew who wrote Trump's speeches or if he consulted with any experts on foreign policy. He didn’t speak as if he had read non-interventionist thinkers like George Kennan or Andrew Bacevich — it’s really quite unlikely he has ever heard of them. But nonetheless, his message was clear: We needed to focus on America, not countries abroad.

And so someone like me came to support and vote for Trump for foreign policy reasons alone. As a founding editor of the American Conservative, I had been working to lay the groundwork for a more realist, less military interventionist Republican candidate for 15 years, without obvious success.

. . .
Madeleine Albright, a Democrat, had said on CBS that “the price is worth it” for the deaths of half a million Iraqi children in order to restrict Saddam Hussein’s access to international commerce. Though she later apologized for the statement and said it was taken out of context, it clearly articulated her priorities — a statement to remember whenever the Beltway establishment, Dem or GOP or Trump, pulls out its violins over dead children.
www.vox.com/first-person/2017/4/14/15293136/syria-strikes-trump-war

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I like that you post some good facts and opinions here SECOND. However, Vox is a left leaning publication. Sometimes factual, sometimes political in nature. This means it is important to separate reporting from far left opinions and agendas.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, April 14, 2017 11:09 PM

Yes, but my point is that because of his America first positions, it should be easy to find someone who is second guessing their vote after his bombing of Syria. It's anecdotal and means little.

A vast amount of Trumps supporters were Bernie supports. They reside in the Appalachians and Rust belt. They are democrats who have lost everything, are fed up, and want our politicians to get out of the foreign policy game. They may also be afraid because Trump is unpredictable. They may be worried a bump in his poll numbers over the bombing may push him to go all in.





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Originally posted by second:
Vox is leftwing you say. The Vox article was "I voted for Trump. After the Syria strikes, I'm second-guessing my choice."

No one knew who wrote Trump's speeches or if he consulted with any experts on foreign policy. He didn’t speak as if he had read non-interventionist thinkers like George Kennan or Andrew Bacevich — it’s really quite unlikely he has ever heard of them. But nonetheless, his message was clear: We needed to focus on America, not countries abroad.

And so someone like me came to support and vote for Trump for foreign policy reasons alone. As a founding editor of the American Conservative, I had been working to lay the groundwork for a more realist, less military interventionist Republican candidate for 15 years, without obvious success.
www.vox.com/first-person/2017/4/14/15293136/syria-strikes-trump-war
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I like that you post some good facts and opinions here SECOND. However, Vox is a left leaning publication. Sometimes factual, sometimes political in nature. This means it is important to separate reporting from far left opinions and agendas.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly





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Friday, April 14, 2017 11:37 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
A vast amount of Trump's supporters were Bernie supporters. They reside in the Appalachians and Rust belt. They are democrats who have lost everything, are fed up, and want our politicians to get out of the foreign policy game. They may also be afraid because Trump is unpredictable. They may be worried a bump in his poll numbers over the bombing may push him to go all in.

I am calling bullshit on that idea that Democrats switched to Trump when they could not get Bernie. They went to third parties.

Gary Johnson got 2 to 7% of the vote in various states. He had 0% chance of being elected. Voting for Johnson was pure protest voting by Democrats, not Republicans. The Republicans come out and vote for the Republicans, exclusively, while the Democrats do stupid things like voting Libertarian or, their favorite suicidal tactic to make themselves irrelevant to American politics, Democrats are not voting at all. That really teaches the establishment. What it teaches is that many Democrats are nuts about how elections work.
www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

To simplify things into their broadest terms, in recent elections the Republican always gets around 60 million votes; the question is whether the Democrat can bring out more voters or not. If they can, as Obama did twice, they win. If they can’t, as Clinton and John Kerry failed to, they lose.

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/11/10/why-did-trump-win
-in-part-because-voter-turnout-plunged/?utm_term=.fc53bf7b4907


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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