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SGG, I posted this for you. I have followed your conversation about deep state a bit. Watch this, it explains what's going on right now in this country in a way that makes sense. I'm sure you'll agree when you watch it. If not, that's ok.
It starts off about guns and goes into the politics of today. No deep state in the direction your debaters are pointing. It's a bit long but worth the view. Check it out buddy.
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Again SGG, deep state bullshit. Bill Crystal very conservative, very republican speaking out about the trend of teaching young republicans to fear law enforcement, to fear our government our media.
http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/kasie-hunt-cpac-felt-darker-to-
me-this-year-1168538179652
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Remember, the IRA is being investigated for funneling money for the Russians.
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Remember, the IRA is being investigated for funneling money for the Russians.
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The Irish Republican Army is funneling money for Putin?
Whatever for???
Yanno, I really think we should, at some point, get back to basics. What are our interests? Which ones are important? Where are they being violated? How best to defend them?
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Remember, the IRA is being investigated for funneling money for the Russians.
Yanno, I really think we should, at some point, get back to basics. What are our interests? Which ones are important? Where are they being violated? How best to defend them?
I think I'll set my own agenda here. What are our interests. Mueller is addressing that now. Breaking the back of Russia's American influences. Dismantling them so to speak. Putting them in jail and sending a message to all who would tread on America in the future, don't.
Then pinning anyone involved from Russia in Russia. If they leave we will have them picked up, extradited and brought here for trial. Sanctions that breaks Russia financially. That's a start.
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So, what is it about the "IRA", THUGR?
Quote:Ok. All 13 of them. How?
Breaking the back of Russia's American influences. Dismantling them so to speak. Putting them in jail and sending a message to all who would tread on America in the future, don't.
Quote:Russia doesn't have an extradition treaty with us, so there goes your fantasy of extradition.
Then pinning anyone involved from Russia in Russia. If they leave we will have them picked up, extradited and brought here for trial. Sanctions that breaks Russia financially. That's a start.
As far as "pinning" them in Russia ... that's where they live. They can troll from there!
Re sanctions: Russia has been preparing for financial Armageddon since roughly 2013; they have a SWIFT-equivalent, have paid off most of their USD-denominated debt, and have forged many bilateral and multi-lateral trade agreements as replacements for anything they might have sourced from the west. Plus, they've stockpiled gold in preparation for the day when the USD is no longer automatically accepted. In financial terms, I think they're in better shape than we are, since we're very heavily indebted to ... well, just about everybody. That needs some thought, because if we insist on our allies following suit, we may be asking them for too large a sacrifice, and drive a wedge between us and the EU.
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I have some other ideas:
1) Improve our cybersecurity and our voting procedures. Everybody knows HOW, they just don't want to spend the money to do it.
2) Teach people to be better media-watchers. That doesn't mean "tell people to believe everything the government tells them via the MSM" but apply skepticism and logic, and understand that EVERYBODY has a POV, NOBODY is going to report "just the facts".
3) Make sure that our offensive cyberwarfare capabilities are up to snuff. The reason why the Russians didn't "do" anything to whatever databases they might have accessed ... like manipulate voter rolls, for example ... is because they know we could do the same to them. We need to be able to continue to do that; it's how the balance of power is maintained.
4) Ok, sure ... issue arrest warrants or whatever it is that is done internationally to target the individuals involved. Altho personally, I think the indicted individuals and organizations would be well-advised to send their lawyers to the USA and have them demand to see the evidence.
5) We could try some sort of detente: We don't mess with your elections and you don't mess with ours. But then, our deep state wouldn't want to make that deal because they like to mess with everybody's elections .... even ours!
Financial sanctions? That would require a lot of thought; there might be a lot of unintended consequences that would boomerang back on us; not sure that it's worth it. It's a little like shooting a mosquito with an elephant gun.
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Some people have compared this "meddling" (social media trolling) to the worst attack on the USA since Pearl Harbor.
REALLY??? Hyperbole much???
One event destroyed our navy and killed around 2400 servicemen, and the other placed 0.0005% ads on social media???
And what about 9-11? What was THAT? Chopped liver?
This is what I mean by being better consumers of the media: People need to be RATIONAL. And by "rational" I mean .... apply the original meaning of the word: to ratio, to be able to judge relative sizes. This event is NOT like Pearl Harbor. We need a "metric" ... a consistent yardstick by which we judge the importance of events, not our fervid paranoid imagination in which we conjure up all kinds of "possible" effects. Maybe something simple like "total energy expended" in BTUs, or something.
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Quote:Signym, your thinking forever is on too high a level of abstraction. Postulate something simple: that America’s purpose was to raise everyone out of poverty. That can’t be its true purpose when 43 million live in poverty. Americans who aren’t impoverished are opposed to using their money on those good-for-nothings.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno, I really think we should, at some point, get back to basics. What are our interests? Which ones are important? Where are they being violated? How best to defend them?
Postulate that America’s purpose is to not be gunned down. That can’t be true from the way Americans talk about guns. And own them. And will defend their guns with their lives.
Postulate that America’s purpose is healthcare for everyone. That can’t be true, looking at how healthcare is actually run.
Postulate that America’s purpose is getting rich. I think we have a winner! And there is no Signym-level abstraction in this purpose! That is what Americans want for themselves. They don’t all get rich, but that failure is what must happen since it is every American for themselves (which might be a significant problem for less competitive, less ruthless, less energetic Americans).
Does anyone think America gives a damn about Signym's list, below, when Americans' simple-minded purpose for themselves and America is to get rich?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I have some other ideas:
1) Improve our cybersecurity and our voting procedures. Everybody knows HOW, they just don't want to spend the money to do it.
2) Teach people to be better media-watchers. That doesn't mean "tell people to believe everything the government tells them via the MSM" but apply skepticism and logic, and understand that EVERYBODY has a POV, NOBODY is going to report "just the facts".
3) Make sure that our offensive cyberwarfare capabilities are up to snuff. The reason why the Russians didn't "do" anything to whatever databases they might have accessed ... like manipulate voter rolls, for example ... is because they know we could do the same to them. We need to be able to continue to do that; it's how the balance of power is maintained.
4) Ok, sure ... issue arrest warrants or whatever it is that is done internationally to target the individuals involved. Altho personally, I think the indicted individuals and organizations would be well-advised to send their lawyers to the USA and have them demand to see the evidence.
5) We could try some sort of detente: We don't mess with your elections and you don't mess with ours. But then, our deep state wouldn't want to make that deal because they like to mess with everybody's elections .... even ours!
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Quote:Postulate that Americans are swamped with ads. day after day, whose sole purpose is to convince them that individual consumerism and personal happiness are the greatest goals in life. Family, country, responsibility, hard work ... even uncertainty and worry ... are nowhere to be found, and are foreign to real life!
Postulate that America’s purpose is getting rich.
Postulate that Americans are sold stories of individual success, which happens only if you "want it hard enough"; that "hypomania" is the preferred psychological state which keeps Americans trying and trying .... and trying and trying ... even in the face of overwhelming odds and unrealistic expectations.
Postulate that Hollywood, the news media, and television entertainment are all about wealthy powerful people.
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Postulate that Americans are stuck in a permanent "brainwash" cycle that keeps them spinning endlessly so that they NEVER contemplate what their real interests are, and we have a winner!!!
Thank you, SECOND, for pushing propaganda.
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Quote:Now you are talking mental health issues and lack of self-control. I'd say that the average American is too stupid to shut-off their smart phone and TV. They are too stupid to stop eating, too. Check the stats on over-weight.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Postulate that Americans are swamped with ads. day after day, whose sole purpose is to convince them that individual consumerism and personal happiness are the greatest goals in life. Family, country, responsibility, hard work ... even uncertainty and worry ... are nowhere to be found, and are foreign to real life!
Postulate that America’s purpose is getting rich.
Postulate that Americans are sold stories of individual success, which happens only if you "want it hard enough"; that "hypomania" is the preferred psychological state which keeps Americans trying and trying .... and trying and trying ... even in the face of overwhelming odds and unrealistic expectations.
Postulate that Hollywood, the news media, and television entertainment are all about wealthy powerful people.
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Postulate that Americans are stuck in a permanent "brainwash" cycle that keeps them spinning endlessly so that they NEVER contemplate what their real interests are, and we have a winner!!!
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:What you're talking about is that the average American only dimly senses that they are being preyed on by every corporation in every aspect of their lives, from dopamine-squirting eyeball-grabbing FB algorithms to the payday lender on the street corner.
Now you are talking mental health issues and lack of self-control. I'd say that the average American is too stupid to shut-off their smart phone and TV. They are too stupid to stop eating, too. Check the stats on over-weight.
I'll bet it's easy for you, in your life of luxury, to disdain people who are being pulled apart by stress and trauma. I'll bet it makes you feel superior to peel off a check once in a while to the poor stupid people who can't manage their lives quite like YOU (with your "natural advantages") can.
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America is an oligarchy
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