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Meh to Trump!? Oh boy! are "we" in for a rude awakening.
Trump practically falls all over himself to bend down and kiss Putin's ass; then comes Turkey "president" Boris Badenov killing folk and the press; sure enough Trump kisses his ass. Then there's the "philopene" scumbag Douchebag or Dickhead, I can't remember all these fucking names; fuck even that nutjob in North Korea he admires (I'm surprised because he doesn't have a hotel/tower there, all the others he does have business interests).
Russia just wants world domination, that's all. So do we, folks, so do we.
Next!
SGG
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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Meh. Obama had a lot stronger foreign ties than Kenya. As did Hillary. Meh to Trump too, but he has the lowest number of favors owed by anyone elected in my lifetime. Russia? Not that worried.
Edit.
So some people in Ukraine, a nation that has a 40% ethnic Russian minority, has some people who are pro-Russia. Color me surprised. Also, is it a reason to panic that a neighboring country has supporters? Would we panic if Canada was pro-American, or even pro-Mexican?
Also, speaking of, we live in a country with a 20% ethnic Latino minority, which has basically always been there ever since we conquered northern Mexico. That population is probably pro-Mexican. Is that a threat to national security? In order for there to be a parallel, the US latino populations slant toward pro-Mexico would have to be a threat to the national security of Russia.
I just don't see it.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:THUGR you're just a fucking fascist. Most people wait until a crime has been committed BEFORE the trial. Good lord, you even post about "the rule of law" and then dismiss it completely!
When impeachment is discussed it is with the understanding something egregious has or will occur.
I think we should arrest YOU, because I'm sure you'll do something treasonous. You're already posting about it.
13 Russians indicted.
T
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Apparently, T has never been this excited about something in his life.
Don't get your hopes up, kiddo.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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It has been clear to me for a while that there IS something called the "deep state". I sometimes imagine that part of the secret lore that Presidents pass on to each other is a warning about this deep state, and the oligarchs who direct it.
From the above statement, it is your contention that the "Deep State" is controlled by a secret society of oligarchs (a very rich business leader, or leaders, with a great deal of political influence). I assume that these oligarchs run things to benefit them individually, as well as collectively regardless, and in spite of, origin of country. A sort of Illuminati.
Holla, if I'm off point.
So basically, it doesn't matter what country one is from, "they" have it down on "lock." Am I still warm so far?
Again, it doesn't matter what any country does because the "deep state" will use their "influence" to advance their agenda. This is what I understand that you're saying. So that also means that Trump is at the mercy of the Deep State and that they are manipulating him as president; and that this has been in place pretty much since Clinton has been in office.
Please let me know if I am getting this right up to this point.
Also that Obama's children was threatened by the Deep State so as to keep him in line. Even though you feel he (Obama) exaggerated that threat. So he, and other presidents, have no real power. Only the Deep State matters. So that would mean that none of the US presidents have any control over the Deep State. Is that the gist of it?
Which brings me to your questions, that I do not understand. I'm going to attempt to unpack your claims, if that's what they are.
What I understand that you are claiming is that the Deep State has it in for Trump, and that the Russia Probe by Mueller and company has been set up by the Deep State? But, to what end?
Further, I'm guessing that you feel that Trump has been targeted by the intelligence community (CIA/NSA), at the behest of the Deep State, because Trump is a strong leader?
I have another question. Isn't Russia, or actually the oligarchs, running things as part of the Deep State? I would think that the Deep State would want chaos and confusion to reign supreme so that their agenda would be advanced to their benefit.
Hence the continued unrest throughout the planet, that would keep the world in their greedy little hands. You know, control of the world's markets and thereby allowing for the manipulation of the people of the world. Money, the control of it, being at the core of their agenda.
SGG
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Hi, I just finished watching the video interview you posted of Glen Greenwald. That gave me a bit more to chew on, but I would still like to get your take on it and the questions that I raised.
SGG
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SGG,
I think you did a fairly good job summarizing what the deep-state is. Sure... it might sound kind of crazy, but when you really think about it I think it would be crazy if somehow over the last several hundred years the ultra-mega-powerful people didn't do something like this.
I'd say the power was there all along and that Clinton wasn't the first though. The power over the presidency has probably grown a little bit more over every presidency and possibly exponentially so since the 80's with the huge advances in technology.
At the end of the day, I try not to think about it anymore. It's not as if there is a damn thing in the world I could ever do about it. I'm pretty much free to come and go as I please, with the only limiting factor I really have is my income at the moment. There's plenty of things that interest me and take up all of my free time and now that I'm sober my life is pretty copacetic. I don't really care if it actually is happening anymore. Let the kids make it their fight if they care enough to do anything about it. I'm too old and tired.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:A bit.
It has been clear to me for a while that there IS something called the "deep state". I sometimes imagine that part of the secret lore that Presidents pass on to each other is a warning about this deep state, and the oligarchs who direct it. - SIGNY
From the above statement, it is your contention that the "Deep State" is controlled by a secret society of oligarchs (a very rich business leader, or leaders, with a great deal of political influence). I assume that these oligarchs run things to benefit them individually, as well as collectively regardless, and in spite of, origin of country. A sort of Illuminati.
Holla, if I'm off point.
Quote:Partway
So basically, it doesn't matter what country one is from, "they" have it down on "lock." Am I still warm so far?
Quote:Since at least the assassination of JFK.
Again, it doesn't matter what any country does because the "deep state" will use their "influence" to advance their agenda. This is what I understand that you're saying. So that also means that Trump is at the mercy of the Deep State and that they are manipulating him as president; and that this has been in place pretty much since Clinton has been in office.
Quote:Keep going.
Please let me know if I am getting this right up to this point.
Quote:Pretty much, but ...
Also that Obama's children was threatened by the Deep State so as to keep him in line. Even though you feel he (Obama) exaggerated that threat. So he, and other presidents, have no real power. Only the Deep State matters. So that would mean that none of the US presidents have any control over the Deep State. Is that the gist of it?
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Which brings me to your questions, that I do not understand. I'm going to attempt to unpack your claims, if that's what they are.
What I understand that you are claiming is that the Deep State has it in for Trump, and that the Russia Probe by Mueller and company has been set up by the Deep State? But, to what end?
Further, I'm guessing that you feel that Trump has been targeted by the intelligence community (CIA/NSA), at the behest of the Deep State, because Trump is a strong leader?
I have another question. Isn't Russia, or actually the oligarchs, running things as part of the Deep State? I would think that the Deep State would want chaos and confusion to reign supreme so that their agenda would be advanced to their benefit.
Hence the continued unrest throughout the planet, that would keep the world in their greedy little hands. You know, control of the world's markets and thereby allowing for the manipulation of the people of the world. Money, the control of it, being at the core of their agenda.
Okay, to explain my views on deep-state.
Although there are oligarchs, they're not one big happy uniform family, with consistent goals. After all, they're competing too. Think of a bunch of Mafia dons, and I think you'll get the idea.
Russian oligarchs, who make their money in Russia, don't have the same interests as tech giants, who are heavily invested in "intellectual property". And tech giants have great trouble with Chinese manufacturing SOEs, who disdain copyrights and patents. So expect national/ business model rivalries.
If there are truly international oligarchies, a kind of capo dei capi they would be centered on truly international businesses:
1) International banking. Nearly all nations have Central Banks are tied into the SWIFT, 60 of which (representing 95% of world GDP) belong to the Bank of International Settlements (BIS) in Basel. https://www.bis.org/about/index.htm?m=1%7C1 They participate in the IMF and the World Bank, and all of the G-20 meetings, since instability on some important banks can potentially bring down the entire system. These financial institutions are deeply dependent on the USD as the petrodollar and world reserve currency, and on complex f
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The analogy of the competing "mafia families" shed some light on the subject. So, each major player (country, i.e. Russia, Turkey, USA, etc.) has their own "Deep State" - entrenched systems that compete to gain an advantage
regardless of who is the figurehead.
Although in the case of Turkey and Russia, the Deep State answers to those figureheads (clandestinely, of course, so as to keep up appearences). But here's the part where I'm having trouble grasping the heirarchy of the American Deep State. You say that its the CIA/NSA and that they spy on Americans to exact control, but they don't answer to the president, right?
I'm assuming that they are controlled by the 1% and that power moves are being made to benefit them (again, I assume that the Koch brothers being chief among them). I remember seeing something online regarding the depression and how it was used to control the masses, as well as world markets).
That would explain, to some degree, the manipulation of the economy and how the multinationals are raking it in, but salaries for the working masses have remained stagnant. We are being played, in more ways than one. We are being pitted against each other to keep our focus elsewhere and not on them.
This is what I'm talking about, the oligarchs, the Deep State have upped the ante and have change the name of the game. If all of this is true, then we need to band together, not fight and fuss over a few scraps. If all this is true, we need to stop bickering and help one anoother....don't you think?
You understand where I'm coming from, otherwise its the survival of the fittest.
SGG
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:A bit.
It has been clear to me for a while that there IS something called the "deep state". I sometimes imagine that part of the secret lore that Presidents pass on to each other is a warning about this deep state, and the oligarchs who direct it. - SIGNY
From the above statement, it is your contention that the "Deep State" is controlled by a secret society of oligarchs (a very rich business leader, or leaders, with a great deal of political influence). I assume that these oligarchs run things to benefit them individually, as well as collectively regardless, and in spite of, origin of country. A sort of Illuminati.
Holla, if I'm off point.Quote:Partway
So basically, it doesn't matter what country one is from, "they" have it down on "lock." Am I still warm so far?Quote:Since at least the assassination of JFK.
Again, it doesn't matter what any country does because the "deep state" will use their "influence" to advance their agenda. This is what I understand that you're saying. So that also means that Trump is at the mercy of the Deep State and that they are manipulating him as president; and that this has been in place pretty much since Clinton has been in office.Quote:Keep going.
Please let me know if I am getting this right up to this point.Quote:Pretty much, but ...
Also that Obama's children was threatened by the Deep State so as to keep him in line. Even though you feel he (Obama) exaggerated that threat. So he, and other presidents, have no real power. Only the Deep State matters. So that would mean that none of the US presidents have any control over the Deep State. Is that the gist of it?Quote:
Which brings me to your questions, that I do not understand. I'm going to attempt to unpack your claims, if that's what they are.
What I understand that you are claiming is that the Deep State has it in for Trump, and that the Russia Probe by Mueller and company has been set up by the Deep State? But, to what end?
Further, I'm guessing that you feel that Trump has been targeted by the intelligence community (CIA/NSA), at the behest of the Deep State, because Trump is a strong leader?
I have another question. Isn't Russia, or actually the oligarchs, runnNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
The analogy of the competing "mafia families" shed some light on the subject. So, each major player (country, i.e. Russia, Turkey, USA, etc.) has their own "Deep State" - entrenched systems that compete to gain an advantage
regardless of who is the figurehead.
Although in the case of Turkey and Russia, the Deep State answers to those figureheads (clandestinely, of course, so as to keep up appearences). But here's the part where I'm having trouble grasping the heirarchy of the American Deep State. You say that its the CIA/NSA and that they spy on Americans to exact control, but they don't answer to the president, right?
I'm assuming that they are controlled by the 1% and that power moves are being made to benefit them (again, I assume that the Koch brothers being chief among them). I remember seeing something online regarding the depression and how it was used to control the masses, as well as world markets).
I'd say it's more like the 1% of the 1%.
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That would explain, to some degree, the manipulation of the economy and how the multinationals are raking it in, but salaries for the working masses have remained stagnant. We are being played, in more ways than one. We are being pitted against each other to keep our focus elsewhere and not on them.
And I think the 24 hour news networks are perfect tools for dividing us.
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This is what I'm talking about, the oligarchs, the Deep State have upped the ante and have change the name of the game. If all of this is true, then we need to band together, not fight and fuss over a few scraps. If all this is true, we need to stop bickering and help one anoother....don't you think?
Well... kind of. I don't know if it's possible for everyone to even band together. They've become very adept at making us divided to the point that some of us have become violent. Even if we were to somehow all "band together", what would we do? Where would we even begin?
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You understand where I'm coming from, otherwise its the survival of the fittest.
It kind of is. I don't know if you want to go too far down this rabbit hole, my friend. I think it's important that more people are "woke" to the idea that this type of stuff is happening and look at everything happening around us with those glasses on instead of being mindless puppets for either side of the spectrum. I think that you're not as quick to just label somebody who doesn't agree with you as whatever insult first comes to your head if you are open to the possibility that we're all being played.
But I don't have any ideas what to do about any of it. At this point in my life, I'm not sure if I have the energy to even do anything about it. My power and influence in this world is just one notch above nil.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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just to add one more wrinkle ... as it wasn't wrinkled enough ...I also detect a division between what I think of as the "national" oligarchs ... that would be like the Koch Bros, or anyone concerned with production here in the USA ... and the "international" oligarchs ... that would be like international finance and anyone making money off the petrodollar. I've placed Trump in the "national" category and Hillary in the "international" category; so it's not like Trump is a true populist - he just represents a more local category of oligarchs.
Now, between "national" oligarchs and "international" ones, I prefer the "national" ones because they're at least subject to American laws and policies. International banks, international finance, and transnational corporations .... there is no "global" democratic entity to reign them in. They're only beholden to secret trade tribunals, which have been set up for their benefit. A whole world, under transnational corporate rule, beholden to no one, one people played off against another and only the top 500 benefiting ... what a depressing thought!!!
It's enough to make one weep.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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