The State of Freedom in Russia

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KPO

Monday, October 30, 2017 4:56 PM

In the other thread you've been bringing up Iraq as "proof" of our governments propagandising us, and I've been laughing at you. Is that what you want me to respond to?

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SIGNYM

Monday, October 30, 2017 5:18 PM

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In the other thread you've been bringing up Iraq as "proof" of our governments propagandising us, and I've been laughing at you.= KRAPO

Why should we listen to you blather on about the "state of freedom in Russia" when it's clear you couldn't give two shits about the "state of freedom" in the USA or Britain?

Do you have anything relevant to say on the topic of freedom anywhere? Apparently not! That's why I haven't been discussing anything with you, you Nazi, you.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THGRRI

Monday, October 30, 2017 9:03 PM

I'll say it again. There is no such thing as freedom in Russia. There they go together like oil and water.

SIGNYM

Monday, October 30, 2017 9:34 PM

And I'll say it again: You have no idea what you're talking about. So, just to prove me wrong, here's a challenge: What's "freedom", THUGR? Define it for us.

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Originally posted by THGRRI: I'll say it again. There is no such thing as freedom in Russia. There they go together like oil and water.

I'll bet you dollars to donuts you never answer the question. Just like you've never answered what you think "America's" interests are because ... get this ... you think it's a "trick" question.

Yanno, I chuckle every time I think about that. The only thing that makes it a "trick" question is your inability to answer it.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THGRRI

Monday, October 30, 2017 9:52 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And I'll say it again: You have no idea what you're talking about. So, just to prove me wrong, here's a challenge: What's "freedom", THUGR? Define it for us.
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Originally posted by THGRRI: I'll say it again. There is no such thing as freedom in Russia. There they go together like oil and water.

I'll bet you dollars to donuts you never answer the question. Just like you've never answered what you think "America's" interests are because ... get this ... you think it's a "trick" question.

Yanno, I chuckle every time I think about that. The only thing that makes it a "trick" question is your inability to answer it.

It doesn't surprise me that I need to explain the meaning of freedom to you. Something I did and do with other questions posed to me by you. Including the one you imply I didn't.

Political freedom, political autonomy or political agency, is a central concept in history and political thought. It is one of the most important features of democratic societies.

These freedoms are currently being targeted for destruction by Russian trolls like you and kiki. How, by the delegitimation of our democratic institutions. These institutions are fighting back through our legal system. The rule of law. Those corrupted by Russia in our political system are heading to jail. As they do it is I who chuckles.

Tick tock, tick tock SIG. I have been taking a break from here but as the indictments start to unfold, you can bet my laughing and saying I told you so will be a constant ringing in your ears.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 31, 2017 1:41 AM

Tony Podesta Resigns As Head Of Lobbying Firm After Becoming Target In Mueller Probe

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-30/tony-podesta-resigns-lobbying
-group-amid-mueller-probe

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 31, 2017 2:18 AM

So let's see ... freedom means people setting their goals as the politician's agenda, and getting their needs met.

Let's see, how did that work for single payer or public option?

How did that work for reining in the banks and reducing the wealth inequity?

How did that work for keeping a robust manufacturing sector at home?

In general, when it comes to people "push" versus elite "shove", who gets their way?

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Major Study Finds The US Is An Oligarchy

The U.S. government does not represent the interests of the majority of the country's citizens, but is instead ruled by those of the rich and powerful, a new study from Princeton and Northwestern universities has concluded.

The report, "Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens" (PDF), used extensive policy data collected between 1981 and 2002 to empirically determine the state of the U.S. political system.

After sifting through nearly 1,800 U.S. policies enacted in that period and comparing them to the expressed preferences of average Americans (50th percentile of income), affluent Americans (90th percentile), and large special interests groups, researchers concluded that the U.S. is dominated by its economic elite.

The peer-reviewed study, which will be taught at these universities in September, says: "The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence."

Researchers concluded that U.S. government policies rarely align with the preferences of the majority of Americans, but do favour special interests and lobbying organizations: "When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the US political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favour policy change, they generally do not get it."

The positions of powerful interest groups are "not substantially correlated with the preferences of average citizens," but the politics of average Americans and affluent Americans sometimes does overlap. This is merely a coincidence, the report says, with the interests of the average American being served almost exclusively when it also serves those of the richest 10%.

The theory of "biased pluralism" that the Princeton and Northwestern researchers believe the U.S. system fits holds that policy outcomes "tend to tilt towards the wishes of corporations and business and professional associations."

http://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-finds-that-the-us-is-an-oli
garchy-2014-4

DO "the people" get their way? ARE they able to determine outcomes through their vote? The results say no.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 31, 2017 2:35 AM

So THUGR: Is there political freedom here? Or even a functioning democracy?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

1KIKI

Tuesday, October 31, 2017 2:56 AM

So what's your excuse for not addressing YOUR OWN TOPIC? Could it be you were too stupid to think it through? And now you can't help but bite your own ass if you reply to my post?

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Originally posted by kpo:
Yawn.

Well at least you're on topic now.

And you STILL can't address my post. For the fourth time.

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

KPO

Tuesday, October 31, 2017 3:20 AM

Kiki, you amusing loon, I'm tying to pinpoint what exactly you are asking me to address.

Let me repeat:

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Originally posted by kpo:
In the other thread you've been bringing up Iraq as "proof" of our governments propagandising us, and I've been laughing at you. Is that what you want me to respond to?

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Syrian regime collusion with ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

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