The State of Freedom in Russia
POSTED BY: kpo
UPDATED: Thursday, February 20, 2025 16:11
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Hmmm ... I said US and British government propaganda, which you failed to address.
Swing and a miss. Strike one.
Here's that question again:
It's obvious you're completely unfazed by the supposedly democratic US and British governments lying to, and propagandizing, their citizens - AS IF THEY WERE TOTALITARIAN STATES THAT HAD TO HIDE THE FACTS.
Why are you so comfortable with that?
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hmmm ... I said US and British government propaganda, which you failed to address.
Err, yes I did, I said that calling The Guardian government propaganda is complete fantasy, and I called you a hypocrite.
My post is right there above yours, everyone can see it kiki.
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Hmmm ... I said US and British government propaganda, which you failed to address.
Swing and a miss. Strike two.
Here's that question again:
It's obvious you're completely unfazed by the supposedly democratic US and British governments lying to, and propagandizing, their citizens - AS IF THEY WERE TOTALITARIAN STATES THAT HAD TO HIDE THE FACTS.
Why are you so comfortable with that?
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Oh great, I've broke kiki again.
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Quote:Another deflection. Way to go, KRAPO! If you keep at it long enough, EVERYONE will get to see what a great moral snake-pit you are!
It's obvious you're completely unfazed by the supposedly democratic US and British governments lying to, and propagandizing, their citizens - AS IF THEY WERE TOTALITARIAN STATES THAT HAD TO HIDE THE FACTS. - KIKI
Oh great, I've broke kiki again. - KRAPO
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Another deflection
Deflection from what? I've already answered kiki's point. You two are loons
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Quote:Hmmm ... I said US and British government propaganda, which you failed to address. Simply referring to The Guardian - as a single example of something you presume is independent - fails to address the topic of government propaganda at all.
And you're still going with this "government propaganda" line. The implication is that:
1. The Guardian newspaper is US/British government propaganda
Statement 1 is complete fantasy.
Here's a simple bit of logic. I hope you can follow it (though given your history I suspect it'll be quite a struggle for you).
For the sake of the argument, let's suppose that Russia propagandizes its people through the media, for example, through Izvestiya. And let's also assume that Nezavisimaya Gazeta (a private, pro-opposition publication in Russia) is meant to counter that propaganda. Does the presence of Nezavisimaya Gazeta eliminate the fact of Russian government propaganda?
To be explicit and draw the comparisons that I think you'll fail to come to on your own: both the US and British governments propagandize their citizens through pronouncements, announcements, reports, press conferences, statements, media releases, anonymous sources - virtually anything that comes out of the government, but especially if it comes out through a politician - is geared toward steering us to a political goal. Not only that, but the government exerts power over the media, squelching unfavorable stories. And sometimes the government actually writes the stories that are broadcast or printed as if they were independent news.
The lonely small voice of The Guardian doesn't negate the overwhelming blare of the government - and its propaganda. Just as the voice of Nezavisimaya Gazeta doesn't negate the dominance of Izvestiya.
Quote:I don't read RT. Do you? I mean, you're so unquenchably OBSESSED with Russian and Putin, I can't think of how you'd even stay away.
2. Government propaganda is bad
Statement 2 is absolutely true and makes you a hypocrite for reading RT.
Aside from that, you've failed to answer the question. Again. Government propaganda is everywhere. If propaganda is bad - as you claim - why are you so comfortable with YOUR government doing it? Even more, why do you parrot it so uncritically here?
So, yet .AGAIN. you've failed to answer the question. That's another swing and a miss. Strike three.
You're out.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
For the sake of the argument, let's suppose that Russia propagandizes its people
"For the sake of argument, let's suppose the sky is blue..."
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the US and British governments propagandize their citizens through pronouncements, announcements, reports, press conferences, statements, media releases
This is a creative way to argue that the US and British governments use propaganda, kiki.
Let's examine it. All governments are expected to make public statements from time to time, nothing bad in that - although, yes, they are politicians with an agenda. Does that make it propaganda? Yes and no. Mostly no. The government makes its statements and releases its press releases - but how does that then reach its audience? Well, a very few people may go straight to government websites, but for most of us it comes via a free media. So the government makes its statements, and the media delivers those statements to their audience, along with commentary, critique, alternative viewpoints etc. All of this is done outside of the government's control. The government doesn't control the flow of information, therefore it is not able to propagandise. (This is how the system works at its best. It doesn't always work at its best of course, but it's broadly how it works all the same)
Quote:Quote:I don't read RT.
2. Government propaganda is bad
Statement 2 is absolutely true and makes you a hypocrite for reading RT.
Forgive me if I don't believe you
You used to post RT links here, until you were given a hard time for it. Have you seen the error of your ways?Quote:
Even more, why do you parrot it so uncritically here?
What does it mean, in your view, to parrot something "uncritically"?
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Our media is 'free'? Who owns it? In whose interest does it act?
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Our media is 'free'? Who owns it? In whose interest does it act?
Not the government. God help us if that ever changes.
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