More Great Second Amendment Moments from America
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Accident? More like gross negligence or depraved indifference or reckless disregard by the owner. Any of those would be an appropriate charge.
Worthy of the death penalty, apparently.
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A two-year-old Florida boy died on Wednesday after accidentally shooting himself with his father’s .380 caliber handgun that he found in the family car.
The toddler, Kaleb Ahles, climbed into the front seat of the family’s vehicle while his parents carried boxes to move out of their home in Tarpon Springs, located about 30 miles north-west of Tampa.
Kaleb, alone in the car, crawled across the seat and found the gun that was stored in the glove compartment, sheriff Bob Gualtieri of the Pinellas County sheriff’s office said during a Wednesday evening press conference.
Kaleb then grabbed the gun, turned the barrel toward his chest, and squeezed the trigger, Gualtieri said.
His parents heard a loud “pop” and ran toward the car, deputies said. His mother, Christina Nigro, immediately began CPR while another family member who was there to help with the move called 911.
“It’s just one of those things that happens where everything lined up the wrong way, where we had a two-and-a-half year old that was able to take a gun, pick it up turn it around and he shot himself dead center in the middle of the chest,” Gualtieri said.
Deputies arrived at the home just before 5pm on Wednesday, and an ambulance rushed Kaleb to a nearby hospital,
At a press conference held in the family’s neighborhood, Gualtieri confirmed that the toddler had shot himself, and was not shot by someone else, the Miami Herald reported.
“He probably barely got the trigger pulled,” Gualtieri said.
The sheriff said it appears there was no wrongdoing, and the parents are not facing charges, saying that the parents have been punished enough by the loss of their son.
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“It appears to be another tragic situation,” Gualtieri said. “It’s just one of those things that happens where everything happens the wrong way.”
Florida law requires gun owners to secure their loaded firearm in the presence of children younger than 16 years old. However, a person can only be held criminally liable if the minor accesses a gun and exhibits it in a public place, or brandishes it in a threatening or angry manner.
Detectives said the gun was secured in the glove department of the car.
Cecilia Barreda, a spokeswoman with the Pinellas County sheriff’s office, confirmed on Thursday that detectives were still investigating the incident, and the parents are, as of now, not facing charges.
The detectives “do believe the gun was stored properly,” Barreda said. She said additional details about the incident could not be provided at this time.
The child’s grandfather, a retired Tampa police detective also named Kevin Ahles, apparently drove to the scene immediately after learning of his grandson’s death.
“A great little kid was killed today,” he told the Miami Herald. “That’s all there is to say.”
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/22/florida-toddler-fatally
-shoots-himself-father-gun
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Tragic accident, but that's all it was. More folks die of misusing their cars than their guns.
Still no cites, huh?
In the United States in 2010, the rate of firearm deaths was 10 people per 100,000, while for traffic accidents it was 12 per 100,000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_y
ear
Firearm deaths , by year. ( I'm guessing these #'s are per 100,000, INCLUDING suicides )
2007
10,129
2008
9,528
2009
9,199
2010
8,874
2011
8,583
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-th
e-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8
Firearm suicides
Number of deaths: 19,990
Deaths per 100,000 population: 6.4
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm
United States 10.1 ( per 100,000 )
http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/firearms-death-rate-per-100000/
Further, I've not found deaths by firearms done in self defense. Subtract those from the total, and the number of illegal, unjustified or accidental deaths is even far less.
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Yes, I suppose the toddler's death was just self defense.
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The sheriff said it appears there was no wrongdoing,
Wrongdoing? Of course not. Nothing went wrong.
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and the parents are not facing charges, saying that the parents have been punished enough by the loss of their son.
Not facing charges? Of course not. Wouldn't want to set any kind of example to all the other irresponsible and negligent parents with guns out there.
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“It appears to be another tragic situation,” Gualtieri said.
And who ever said Fla. sheriffs weren't well-trained and quick on their feet?
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“It’s just one of those things that happens where everything happens the wrong way.”
Yep, just one of those things ... like when the cable goes out.
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Florida law requires gun owners to secure their loaded firearm in the presence of children younger than 16 years old.
Whoa, good law!
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However, a person can only be held criminally liable if the minor accesses a gun and exhibits it in a public place, or brandishes it in a threatening or angry manner.
Riiiiight, because what happens at home is nobody else's business, no matter what horror is going on.
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Yes, I suppose the toddler's death was just self defense.
As I said, there are more accidents on the roads which result in death than there are w/ guns. Far more.
Save for a reminder to be more careful, this is a pointless thread.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Yes, I suppose the toddler's death was just self defense.
As I said, there are more accidents on the roads which result in death than there are w/ guns. Far more.
Save for a reminder to be more careful, this is a pointless thread.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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You don't think gun violence is an issue that needs addressing?
Let's say that your ludicrous false quivelancy argument is worth debating for a few moments, and as if this hasn;t been said to nuffs like yourself a MILLION times
1. The purpose of guns is to maim or injury, or to threaten to maim or injure
2. The purpose of cars is to get from A to B.
3. You need a licence to drive a car and you need to register your car
4. In my state, you have to be over 18 to drive a car
5. There are restrictions on where you can drive, who can drive, and how you can drive.
So what you have is a system of transport which is highly regulated to prevent further death or injury - and nobody is screaming about violation of rights - alongside a system of gun ownership which resists the slightest change to regulation to prevent further death or injury.
As I said, Second Amendment madness. The system is broke, but people such as Rappy seem too caught up in ideology to look for solutions
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
You don't think gun violence is an issue that needs addressing?
Violence is, yes. By any means.
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Let's say that your ludicrous false quivelancy argument is worth debating for a few moments, and as if this hasn;t been said to nuffs like yourself a MILLION times
1. The purpose of guns is to maim or injury, or to threaten to maim or injure
2. The purpose of cars is to get from A to B.
3. You need a licence to drive a car and you need to register your car
4. In my state, you have to be over 18 to drive a car
5. There are restrictions on where you can drive, who can drive, and how you can drive.
So what you have is a system of transport which is highly regulated to prevent further death or injury - and nobody is screaming about violation of rights - alongside a system of gun ownership which resists the slightest change to regulation to prevent further death or injury.
As I said, Second Amendment madness. The system is broke, but people such as Rappy seem too caught up in ideology to look for solutions
The issue isn't the purposes of those 2 things, it's the number of deaths each are involved.
A guns, as River puts it, is just an object. It doesn't mean what you think. The 2nd Amendment wasn't madness upon conception, it's the country which has gone mad.
Which means we need the 2nd Amendment now, more than ever.
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