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New Trend - Shoot the Unarmed Black Man

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Sunday, September 28, 2014 7:46 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And that sums up your ability to carry on a conversation .

Kiki want a cracker ?

AURaptor just can't help being AURaptor.

Time for the video:



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Seatbelt violation? Good thing that stop was recorded, you can tell by listening to that cop that he knew he fucked up. He'll likely be a Mall cop very soon.

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Sunday, September 28, 2014 8:07 PM

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Originally posted by AURAPTOR:
La-la land ? Because I simply state the facts ?

Me thinks yo doth project too much, SGG.


And CWP ( conceal weapons permit ) is issued to those who have applied and who have passed a more intense background check, as I understand it. Why would any white, black, yellow, brown, red, man, or woman, be shot simply because they have a CWP and are carrying ?

Talk about trips to la-la land!


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Let me say it straight out: I haven't heard of a single case whereby a man, of a certain persuasion, has been shot while toting his Open Carry Assault AR-15.







Merely carrying this doesn't pose an imminent threat. Oh, and it's legal.






You don't know the difference between open-carry and concealed-carry, do you?

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Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:53 PM


Firstoff, a note on the Walmart shooting, the cops killed TWO people in that incident, one directly, the other indirectly.

Angela Williams: Woman’s Death Following Walmart Shooting Ruled Homicide
http://atlantadailyworld.com/2014/09/27/angela-williams-womans-death-f
ollowing-walmart-shooting-ruled-homicide
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Sharrett attributes the cause of her death to acute ventricular dysrhythmia due to hypertensive and arteriosclerotic cardiovascular disease. Described otherwise, Williams had an irregular heartbeat causing a cardiac arrest as a consequence of heart disease. The report makes no note of drugs or alcohol in Williams’ system.

The manner of Williams’ death is officially listed as homicide because of the chaotic circumstances inside the Beavercreek Walmart, according William Harden, the Greene County Coroner’s Office chief investigator.


And of course, since the cops seem to operate on RappyLogic, no doubt they'll try to shovel this one off on the dead guy to deny their own negligence, because by listing cause of death as homicide, legally SOMEONE has to be held responsible for it.

Speaking of responsibility, I would lay some of the blame for both deaths also at the feet of the 911 caller, given that his/her actions lead directly to them and involved claims shown to be false.
This in particular gets my back up because this entire horrible chain of events was sparked and escalated by what I call a panicwhiner.
OMG, a GUN, aaaaieeeee, a terrifying inanimate object with an evil will of it's own which turns anyone who picks it up into a murderer, aieeeee, and it's carried by someone darker than me, aieeeee!"
Fact: I TOLD YOU that such disasters spring from this fucking attitude, that it all of itself results in death and destruction, and was as usual dismissed out-of-hand for it, and yet... here we are, again.

Speaking also of ridiculous panic over peoples skintone, en route to somewhere in Wayne County yesterday I spotted a trio of police vehicles, a cruiser and two SUVs, covering the margin and part of the road all lights a flashing - I figured an accident or maybe they found a body or something, but nope, as I carefully maneuvered around them what do I see in the middle of a thugscrum of five cops and a K9 ?
A young black CHILD, of no more than twelve, probably younger, sitting on a bicycle with a goddamn lollipop in his mouth, oh so scary...
*eyeroll*
Okay sure, for the sake of argument no matter how ludicrous maybe the kid was a suspect or something, for cryin out loud ONE cop would have been sufficient, and since it was a two man cruiser in the first place that's all the response necessary, ain't no damn excuse for that kind of excessive response - and yes this is all too typical.
Further along I noted a very angry and distressed white guy walking up the street with a hacksaw, and wondered if he'd get the same response (probably not) although for mine own I didn't find either one of em in the slightest bit suspicious, especially given that the latter was speckled with plaster or drywall or something, and on the block behind him was a hardware store, ergo an obvious conclusion there which of course tends to escape cops because rather than actually believing in probable cause they have this notion that nothing they see could ever be innocent.
And THAT, in and of itself is a problem, both a failure of training and speaking of institutional attitudes which are unacceptable.

And finally,
Video is just the first step, and there's implementation as well.
Firstoff, this equipment doesn't come cheap (although in the long run much cheaper than paying out lawsuits, sure) and so those demanding accountability are going to have to accept there's a short term rise in costs associated with that demand.

Second, those cameras HAVE to be tamperproof, with consequences for screwing with or damaging them.
http://www.dailytech.com/Cops+at+Historically+Troubled+LAPD+are+Sabota
ging+Digital+Recording+Devices/article34692.htm

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Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:58 PM


Oh, and a final aside, in reference to some of the posted images above and the whole panic-factor I mentioned earlier.

I have on occasion run across someone lugging around that kind of hardware, the last of which I just eyeballed his stuff and commented "Bit excessive, that." to which his amused response was "Well, you never know." and there is that - I consider it impolite to lug around ranged weapons openly but given that I wouldn't want someone imposing their standards on me, I sure hell don't intend to impose mine on anyone else beyond mere commentary.

-Frem

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Monday, September 29, 2014 12:39 AM




Meanwhile, here's some more "isolated incidents" that don't at all, in any way, point to any kind of culture of racism among the police:

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Los Angeles police officers removed antennas from police cars in several predominantly Black neighborhoods to disable the recording equipment and avoid being monitored while on duty, according to an inspection by LAPD investigators.
The department review found about half of the 80 cars in the Southeast division—which includes Watts and the Jordan Downs and Nickerson Gardens housing projects—were missing the antennas that help capture what officers say in the field. The review discovered at least 10 more cars in nearby divisions also had antennas removed.
Members of the Police Commission, which oversees the department, said they were alarmed by both the actions of the officers and the failure of the department to reveal their actions when they were first detected.



http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/04/08/lapd-officers-removed-antennas-
police-cars-disable-recording-devices
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Monday, September 29, 2014 2:02 AM


Speaking of "isolated incidents" - remember what I said earlier, keep this fixed in your mind, as I go over this.

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Remember, the Supreme Court itself has stated that due to police conduct, immediate flight from their presence does not constitute probable cause because people might have good reason to fear and flee the police.


(additional emphasis on salient point)

Search Is On For Two Suspects Wanted In Shooting Of Ferguson Police Officer
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/28/ferguson-officer-shooting_n_5
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Although there were two separate protests about the Aug. 9 shooting of Michael Brown happening around the time the officer was shot Saturday night, St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said he didn't think they were related in any way to the attack on the officer.

The men fled when the officer approached them at around 9 p.m. because the community center they were standing outside of was closed, Belmar said at a news conference early Sunday. When the officer gave chase, one of the men turned and shot him in the arm, he said.

Belmar said the officer is expected to survive, but he didn't identify the officer or give further details about his condition. He said the officer returned fire, but that police have no indication that either suspect was shot.


So, a cop from a department formed from the tatters of one closed down for abuses, and itself under investigation for some really outrageous conduct they keep doubling down on...
Approaches two men for no particular reason other than that they are standing in front of a closed building (probably watching the protests) who have EVERY REASON IN THE WORLD to be afraid of him.

Said people then run from him, again, see above.
Now said officer, sans probable cause, gives chase to a pair of persons probably at this point in fear for their lives as they have someone they suspect means them harm chasing them.

One of said persons then, in fear for their life, opens fire on the officer, who returns fire, and in the chaos of the shootout successfully escape without being beaten, tased, choked to death or shot.
You know what that sounds like to me ?
SELF DEFENSE.

And of course the police are throwing a hissy, despite that the officer in question created by his own actions the very situation which endangered him, in much the same fashion police officers step in front of moving car in order to provide the excuse that they were in danger so they can shoot.

Of course, as also mentioned above, given the officers lack of legal justification, and interpretation of stand-your-ground laws (not sure if MO is SYD or not) by that assessment of events those folks the cop was chasing had EVERY LEGAL RIGHT to open fire on him.

Irony: Thy name is Ferguson.

Also from the article above.
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Also early Sunday, not far from Ferguson, an off-duty St. Louis city police officer was injured on Interstate 70 when three suspects fired shots into his personal vehicle, a police spokeswoman said.

Schron Jackson said the officer, who has nearly 20 years of experience, was being treated at a hospital for a minor injury to his arm from broken glass. She said there is no reason to believe the two shootings were related.


Other than related to the abuses of the police against the community, that is.
Again, you keep doin shit to people, eventually they're gonna do shit to YOU, simple logic here.
Which also, again, explains WHY the cops want those damn MRAPs so fucking much, they know damn well that if they continue, and continue to escalate this conduct (which they completely intend to do) that it's not going to stop with just assassination attempts, it *WILL* come to boobytraps and IEDs just like I keep saying.

-Frem

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Monday, September 29, 2014 5:23 AM

A sobering fact: Far more Americans have been killed by police since 9/11 than by terrorists.

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Monday, September 29, 2014 5:27 AM

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:


You don't know the difference between open-carry and concealed-carry, do you?



Sure I do, but it doesn't matter.

Those w/ permits aren't the problem. In fact, they're often the solution.

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A sobering fact: Far more Americans have been killed by police since 9/11 than by terrorists.



How is that suppose to be " sobering " ?? How do you even arrive at that number ? And what difference does it make? You're comparing apples to orange, for nothing but shock value.



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Monday, September 29, 2014 5:49 AM

What permits do you need to open-carry?


Since 9/11, roughly 100 times more Americans have been killed by the police than by terrorists. In fact, the number of Americans killed by police is now about the same as the number of Americans killed in Iraq.


But please, don't ever let the facts get in the way of your grandstanding and panic-mongering.

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Monday, September 29, 2014 5:54 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

How is that suppose to be " sobering " ?? How do you even arrive at that number ? And what difference does it make? You're comparing apples to orange, for nothing but shock value.




How is that supposed to be sobering? Well, if you're worried about the threat of radical Islam, you really should be worried more about the threat of militarized thugs we call "police."

How do I arrive at that number? Through research, and through looking up the stats. You should really try it sometime.

What difference does it make? You don't think it makes a difference if you're 100 times more likely to be murdered by a cop than by a terrorist? If you're not worried about cops, why are you worried about terrorists?

"Shock value." Why was it you posted about someone cutting off a person's head, if not for shock value? You find that shocking, but find the routine murder of unarmed black men by police "isolated" and no big deal.

If you think it's for shock value, maybe that's because you should be shocked.

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