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Originally posted by second:Quote:Signym, your point is hovering around not making a CO2 waste stream, a very straightforward way to decrease CO2. Did you know that every person emits two tons of carbon dioxide a year through eating? Stop eating and straightforward stop a CO2 waste stream.
Originally posted by SignyM:
So, let's see... WHO, exactly, are flying their private jets all over creation?
Who even flies commercially? The homeless? The barrista/Walmart greeter? The Chinese factory worker, the farmer in South Asia/ Africa/ S America?
And speaking of jets... What about all those FIGHTER JETS? Yanno, the ones blasting off from carriers to the tune of tens of thousands of gallons each time?
Lotta waste by the wealthy and the military, SECOND.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101102131108.htm
Oh for fuck's sake, SECOND.
It's not like I haven't posted at least a half-dozen times about increasing carbon absorption with regenerative farming, better forest management, and other environmental practices.
By paying farmers to increase the carbon content of their soil they would gain anither source of income and improve yields without stripping the soil.
It doesn't need whoopiedoopie "technology" (which you are probably hoping to make $ with) to improve our carbon footprint.
About a dozen years ago, I did a global calculation on how much energy was being produced, and what the per capita energy consumption was. USA and Canada were twice per Capita of Europe as a whole. Nobody would have claimed then that Europe had a low standard of living. We could reduce our energy consumption in half w/o reducing our living standards (it would take reducing our huge wealth gap). That "saved" energy, if applied to the impoverished of the world, could bring up their living standards to approximately Costa Rica or Cuba (again, assuming there are no ultra wealthy oligarchs soaking up all of that energy for personal use). With improved living standards and education for women comes a drop in population growth.
Si se puede.
PS: I'm pointing out that you're just a troll and a liar, and anyone who takes your posts seriously is stupider than you are.
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Quote:What's stopping the gardeners of the world from solving the CO2 problem?
Originally posted by SignyM:
Oh for fuck's sake, SECOND.
It's not like I haven't posted at least a half-dozen times about increasing carbon absorption with regenerative farming, better forest management, and other environmental practices.
By paying farmers to increase the carbon content of their soil they would gain anither source of income and improve yields without stripping the soil.
It doesn't need whoopiedoopie "technology" (which you are probably hoping to make $ with) to improve our carbon footprint.
Or you can leave it to scientists to turn it into ten thousand goddamn research projects that won't make any difference for the next 50 years. "Research Opportunities for CO2 Utilization and Negative Emissions at the Gigatonne Scale" https://www.cell.com/joule/fulltext/S2542-4351(18)30179-X
If you are in a hurry to solve the CO2 problem before we all die from heat and drought and floods and hurricanes, I know what is stopping engineers from solving it in the next 10 years. It is money. Pay them and the CO2 problem will be solved quickly, not slowly by Mother Nature or by gardeners or by scientists attached to Universities.
June 7, 2018 -- Carbon Engineering’s Large-scale Direct Air Capture Breakthrough
https://carbonengineering.com/news-updates/climate-change-breakthrough/
A Process for Capturing CO2 from the Atmosphere
https://www.cell.com/joule/pdf/S2542-4351(18)30225-3.pdf
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Quote:Farmers, not gardeners.
Of riginally posted by second:Quote:What's stopping the gardeners of the world from solving the CO2 problem?
Originally posted by SignyM:
Oh for fuck's sake, SECOND.
It's not like I haven't posted at least a half-dozen times about increasing carbon absorption with regenerative farming, better forest management, and other environmental practices.
By paying farmers to increase the carbon content of their soil they would gain anither source of income and improve yields without stripping the soil.
It doesn't need whoopiedoopie "technology" (which you are probably hoping to make $ with) to improve our carbon footprint.
Money.
Quote:Oh,like the researchers are trying to make artificial photosynthesizers? Looking for that breakthrough H2 storage technology? "The" battery or fuel cell or capture technology to end all technologies?
Or you can leave it to scientists to turn it into ten thousand goddamn research projects
My dad, who grew up on a farm, told me about a sandy field they were trying to make arable. They grew vetch, a legume which adds nitrogen to the soil, and then plowed it in to add carbon to the soil (it's called "green manure").
Cover crops, contour farming, green manure, rotational farming are well-known methodsforimproving the soil. But bc farmers are in intense commodity competition, andbc it requires huge capital investment, farmers need to extract as much crop per a re as possible.
AFA better forest management... well, there is NO money in it. That needs to be funded from non-commercial sources.
And there's no reason not to institute these programs right away. Unlike the boondoggle of "carbon credits" they would be independent programs.
You're looking for engineering solutions where a technology company can patent a solution and make money. By all means, continue to research. But if this is the "all hands on deck" kind of problem that you seem to think, then we should be implementing solutions right away too, even if they won't get you a lot of government $.
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Quote:How much would it cost to stop global warming?
Originally posted by SignyM:
Money.
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+much+would+it+cost+to+stop+global+
warming
The biggest number I can find is $131 Trillion. The longer humanity waits to get started, the higher this number will get. Many people are assuming they can avoid paying the price by waiting to start the work until after they are dead.
The Cost to Reduce Global Warming? $131 Trillion Is One Answer | WSJ
https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/news/the-cost-to-reduce-global
-warming-131-trillion-is-one-answer-wsj/
The World's GDP is $103.86 trillion as of 2022
https://www.populationu.com/gen/countries-by-gdp
Humans being human, they do not want to pay to save the world.
Let somebody else pay. Let somebody else do the work while humanity watches and congratulates itself for being wise enough to do nothing but reap all the benefits for free.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by second:Quote:How much would it cost to stop global warming?
Originally posted by SignyM:
Money.
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+much+would+it+cost+to+stop+global+
warming
The biggest number I can find is $131 Trillion. The longer humanity waits to get started, the higher this number will get. Many people are assuming they can avoid paying the price by waiting to start the work until after they are dead.
The Cost to Reduce Global Warming? $131 Trillion Is One Answer | WSJ
https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/news/the-cost-to-reduce-global
-warming-131-trillion-is-one-answer-wsj/
The World's GDP is $103.86 trillion as of 2022
https://www.populationu.com/gen/countries-by-gdp
Humans being human, they do not want to pay to save the world.
Let somebody else pay. Let somebody else do the work while humanity watches and congratulates itself for being wise enough to do nothing but reap all the benefits for free.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
So why do you support our government spending money (possibly unwisely) on climate change technologies, other than that you hope to get some of that government green?
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Quote:Trumptards don't want to pay because they realize they can get the ALL the benefits of halting climate change if everyone but themselves pay. But if the US government pays to halt climate change, the Trumptards will get billed for what they expected would be absolutely free as the air and sunshine are free. This greatly upsets Trumptards. What also upsets Trumptards is the idea that China is not halting climate change. Once again, the Trumptards are expecting somebody else to pay all costs, in this case China, rather than they pay any of the cost.
Originally posted by SignyM:
So why do you support our government spending money (possibly unwisely) on climate change technologies, other than that you hope to get some of that government green?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Quote:Nice way to avoid the question, SECOND.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Trumptards don't want to pay because they realize they can get the ALL the benefits of halting climate change if everyone but themselves pay. But if the US government pays to halt climate change, the Trumptards will get billed for what they expected would be absolutely free as the air and sunshine are free. This greatly upsets Trumptards. What also upsets Trumptards is the idea that China is not halting climate change. Once again, the Trumptards are expecting somebody else to pay all costs, in this case China, rather than they pay any of the cost.
Originally posted by SignyM:
So why do you support our government spending money (possibly unwisely) on climate change technologies, other than that you hope to get some of that government green?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
BUT I'm not a Trumptard.
What is YOUR dog in this?
Genuinely concerned?
Money making oppty to assuage a guilty conscience?
Just something to virtue signal/troll about?
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European Private Jet Demand Soars As Rich Avoid Travel Chaos
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/european-private-jet-demand-soars-ri
ch-avoid-travel-chaos
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Quote:I am not guilty. I'm not trolling you. I am telling you the truth. A Trumptard is a retarded thing, not necessarily a person, that is also an apologist for Trump. That is you, Signym. Remember your "Russia, Russia, Russia"? You never understood that the Mueller Report was about 1) Russian Interference in the 2016 election and 2) Trump's obstruction of Mueller. Both 1) and 2) really happened which make Signym's denial of what happened stupidly unreal and unreliable. Signym, you are empty inside. So is 6ix. How you two emptied yourselves I don't know but real people I've known long before Trump got into politics, who voted for Trump, were always stupidly unrealistic, unreliable, empty inside and they always had unhealthy lives because that is who they are. This is not trolling. This is the truth. These people never understood Trump and never understood climate change and there is almost nothing they can understand which why they have sad and disappointing lives.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Nice way to avoid the question, SECOND.
BUT I'm not a Trumptard.
What is YOUR dog in this?
Genuinely concerned?
Money making oppty to assuage a guilty conscience?
Just something to virtue signal/troll about?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Climate Change and Back to Drawing Board for Economists
To many economists, the approach pioneered by Dr. Nordhaus was increasingly out of step with the urgency that climate scientists were trying to communicate to policymakers. But a carbon tax remained at the center of a bipartisan effort on climate change, supported by a panoply of large corporations and more than 3,600 economists, that also called for removing “cumbersome regulations.”
In his Nobel speech in 2018, Dr. Nordhaus pegged the “optimal” carbon price — that is, the shared economic burden caused by each ton of emissions — at $43 in 2020. Gernot Wagner, a climate economist at Columbia Business School, called it a “woeful underestimate of the true cost” — noting that the prize committee’s home country already taxed carbon at $120 per ton.
By that time, progressive organizations in the United States had started to take another tack. Carbon prices, they reasoned, tend to hit lower-income people hardest. Even if the proceeds funded rebates to taxpayers, as many proponents recommended, similar promises by supporters of trade liberalization — that people whose jobs went offshore would get help finding new ones in a faster-growing economy — proved illusory. Besides, without government investment in low-carbon infrastructure, many people would have no alternative to continued carbon use.
Rhiana Gunn-Wright, director of climate policy at the left-leaning Roosevelt Institute and an architect of the Green New Deal:
“You’re saying, ‘Things are going to cost more, but we aren’t going to give you help to live with that transition. Gas prices can go up, but the fact is, most people are locked into how much they have to travel each day.”
More at https://angrybearblog.com/2022/09/climate-change-sends-economists-back
-to-drawing-board
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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