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Friday, September 2, 2022 4:13 AM
One billionaire's jaunt to space emits as much greenhouse gasses as the poorest billion people do for an entire year.
Speaking of buying shit you don't need.
It's not "people" who need to reduce their living standard. It's not even "Americans" who need to reduce their living standard. There are over two hundred thousand homeless in the USA: how much lower are they supposed to sink?
There are roughly 60,000,000 food insecure Americans. How much lower are THEY supposed to sink?
It's true that too many Americans buy too much shit that they don't need. Our housekeeper, a prime example of a dysfunctionally poor person, was buying her (growing) children expensive leather jackets (they would soon grow out of) and laptops she couldn't afford, a secondhand Mercedes (status symbol) that turned out to be a Frankenstein's monster of one engine head fitted to a different model block that was unrepairable when it broke. Meanwhile, she became homeless until she moved in with us (rent free) but continued her dysfunctional ways even after she was able to move out again
I would call her voluntarily poor. So, yes, some people really need lessons on how to live with less! But there are a number of poor people who are willing to work and just scraping by. And the problem is that costs for THE BASICS: food, housing, healthcare, transportation... are inflating, or already have inflated, way beyond the reach of the ordinary person. There's no way that an average person can save up enough money to afford a house, or a medical crisis or family medical insurance, no matter how many beans they eat instead of meat.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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Friday, September 2, 2022 7:54 AM
Quote:Bezos, right? Unusually, for the actual rocket launch, the CO2 isn’t really the biggest deal here. It’s possible to use rocket fuel without any carbon in it at all – NASA has been using liquid hydrogen for decades, and Jeff Bezos’ rocket used it too.
Originally posted by SignyM:
One billionaire's jaunt to space emits as much greenhouse gasses as the poorest billion people do for an entire year.
https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/astrophysics/greenhouse-gas-space-x/
Rocket Engines Designed for Reuse
https://www.blueorigin.com/engines/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Friday, September 2, 2022 8:11 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Shifting blame does not make sense, 6ix.
Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:The USA dumped every year about 5 billion metric tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere since you were born, 6ix. It is the USA that is fucking Pakistan by dumping its waste into Pakistan's air. But the Republicans in Congress want to continue the free dumping of CO2 forever and never pay for removal from the atmosphere. The total CO2, measured in hundreds of billions of metric tonnes, is flooding Pakistan.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck Pakistan.
China's closer. So is India.
China and India make our CO2 emissions look like a single cow fart by comparison.
Your understanding of how all the shit you buy that you don't need and the impact it has on the environment is as simple minded and incorrect as your understanding about how bad your coal burning cars are for the environment. That's because you're not sitting in a constant cloud of smog where things are actually made and you believe that electricity is magic.
Get fucked worm.
It's not shifting the blame. It's stating a fact. I'm not blaming China OR India. [SEE BELOW]
Quote:
The research by Rhodium Group says China emitted 27% of the world's greenhouse gases in 2019. The US was the second-largest emitter at 11% while India was third with 6.6% of emissions, the think tank said.
Big fucking deal. What REALLY matters here is how much of the combined world pollution is put into products and services that the destination country uses.
America tops that fucking list any way you fudge the numbers.
All of you cunts virtue tweeting about the environment from that shiny new "smart" phone you buy every year or two can go right on and get fucked. YOU are the problem.
But you don't even recognize that you are the problem because the air you breathe isn't so thick with pollution you can cut through it with a knife. You reap the benefits of all the overpriced disposable shit made on the cheap half a world away that you buy every day and don't need, and all you see is the shiny clean box it comes in without putting any thought into how much damage was done to the environment to make that and bring it to you. Nor do you give any fucking thought to how that magic electricity comes cleanly out of your wall outlets.
The same can be said about the coal burning cars that California is demonstrating for the world right now how they will NEVER work out unless massive infrastructure improvements including hundreds or maybe even thousands of nuclear plants will have to be constructed before they ever actually become adopted en masse.
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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus
If you were an engineer, you could see, with a little imagination, that CO2 is a waste stream. What do engineers do with waste streams, as an engineer? Do you close the factory because it produces waste? No. No. No. Do you tell people to live without the factory's products because the factory produces waste? No. No. No. Here is what should happen:
Once upon a time, factories along the Houston Ship Channel dumped their waste streams directly into the Ship Channel. That only stopped when the Federal government declared that it has control over pollution in all navigable waters of the United States, which includes the Ship Channel. After the factories sued the Federal government and the cases went to the Supreme Court, the factories were forced to stop dumping their waste streams into the Houston Ship Channel. By the way, the factories magically found ways to properly handle their wastes, once they were forced to spend the money. The same will happen with CO2 waste streams, but only after the Federal government forces factories to search for the magic to handle CO2.
The Joss Whedo
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Friday, September 2, 2022 8:51 AM
Quote:If you were an engineer, you could see, with a little imagination, that CO2 is a waste stream. What do engineers do with waste streams, as an engineer? Do you close the factory because it produces waste? No. No. No. Do you tell people to live without the factory's products because the factory produces waste? No. No. No. Here is what should happen:
Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Shifting blame does not make sense, 6ix.
Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:The USA dumped every year about 5 billion metric tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere since you were born, 6ix. It is the USA that is fucking Pakistan by dumping its waste into Pakistan's air. But the Republicans in Congress want to continue the free dumping of CO2 forever and never pay for removal from the atmosphere. The total CO2, measured in hundreds of billions of metric tonnes, is flooding Pakistan.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck Pakistan.
China's closer. So is India.
China and India make our CO2 emissions look like a single cow fart by comparison.
Your understanding of how all the shit you buy that you don't need and the impact it has on the environment is as simple minded and incorrect as your understanding about how bad your coal burning cars are for the environment. That's because you're not sitting in a constant cloud of smog where things are actually made and you believe that electricity is magic.
Get fucked worm.
It's not shifting the blame. It's stating a fact. I'm not blaming China OR India. [SEE BELOW]Quote:
The research by Rhodium Group says China emitted 27% of the world's greenhouse gases in 2019. The US was the second-largest emitter at 11% while India was third with 6.6% of emissions, the think tank said.
Big fucking deal. What REALLY matters here is how much of the combined world pollution is put into products and services that the destination country uses.
America tops that fucking list any way you fudge the numbers.
All of you cunts virtue tweeting about the environment from that shiny new "smart" phone you buy every year or two can go right on and get fucked. YOU are the problem.
But you don't even recognize that you are the problem because the air you breathe isn't so thick with pollution you can cut through it with a knife. You reap the benefits of all the overpriced disposable shit made on the cheap half a world away that you buy every day and don't need, and all you see is the shiny clean box it comes in without putting any thought into how much damage was done to the environment to make that and bring it to you. Nor do you give any fucking thought to how that magic electricity comes cleanly out of your wall outlets.
The same can be said about the coal burning cars that California is demonstrating for the world right now how they will NEVER work out unless massive infrastructure improvements including hundreds or maybe even thousands of nuclear plants will have to be constructed before they ever actually become adopted en masse.
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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus
Once upon a time, factories along the Houston Ship Channel dumped their waste streams directly into the Ship Channel. That only stopped when the Federal government declared that it has control over pollution in all navigable waters of the United States, which includes the Ship Channel. After the factories sued the Federal government and the cases went to the Supreme Court, the factories were forced to stop dumping their waste streams into the Houston Ship Channel. By the way, the factories magically found ways to properly handle their wastes, once they were forced to spend the money. The same will happen with CO2 waste streams, but only after the Federal government forces factories to search for th
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Friday, September 2, 2022 12:52 PM
Quote:There are three billionaire-rocket engines being touted:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Bezos, right? Unusually, for the actual rocket launch, the CO2 isn’t really the biggest deal here. It’s possible to use rocket fuel without any carbon in it at all – NASA has been using liquid hydrogen for decades, and Jeff Bezos’ rocket used it too.
Originally posted by SignyM:
One billionaire's jaunt to space emits as much greenhouse gasses as the poorest billion people do for an entire year.
https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/astrophysics/greenhouse-gas-space-x/
Rocket Engines Designed for Reuse
https://www.blueorigin.com/engines/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Musk's Space X. Its big claim to fame is being reusable, but that doesn't mean it's emission-free. Musk or his engineers settled on methane as a compromise between rocket fuel (which is a highly-refined jet fuel, which presents problems with internal jet fouling unless you burn your pre-flame oxygen-rich and have that special metallurgy that Americans thought was impossible, which Russia developed) and hydrogen, which is difficult to store (so rocket engines must be fueled right before flight) and has low BTU. In fact, the BTU content is SO low that the space shuttles relied on solid-fuel "boosters" (which burn unevenly and shake the hell out of the payload) and don't switch over to liquid fuel until halfway to space.
You really sould watch this, I did:
NOTE: not all of his rocket engines use methane- which BTW still emits CO2. Some use the standard ultra-refined kerosene (RP-1, LOTS of CO2 emisisons there!) and others claim to use mnonmethyl amine and that infamous greenhouse gas nitrous oxide.
Branson's version, Vergin Galactic, which uses a solid rubber-like, which creates emissions, and plenty of them.
https://spacenews.com/virgin-galactic-switching-back-to-rubber-fuel-fo
r-spaceshiptwo/
Jeff Bezos' version Blue Origin which uses liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, is the only low-emission rocket.
https://news.yahoo.com/much-carbon-emitted-jeff-bezos-205854650.html
Branson went into space first, on his own rocket. I wonder how much emissions THAT created!
Bezos was second.
Various billionaires have gone into space on a variety of rockets:
Jared Isaacman, Space X Dragon rocket (kerosene-based rocket fuel SpaceX-designed Merlin LOX/RP-1 https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/structure/elements/dragon.h
tml) Lots of emissions there!
Yusaku Maezawa, Soyuz. There too!
Dennis Tito, Soyuz. And there!
William Shatner, Blue Origin
Michael Strahan, Blue Origin
If I add it up correctly, that's four billion-years of greenhouse gas emissions right there.
You're just troll, SECOND.
And a know nothing.
Anyone who takes your posts seriously is stupider than you are.
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Pity would be no more,
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Friday, September 2, 2022 7:40 PM
Quote:Signym, you are overestimating rocket flights and underestimating airplane flights.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If I add it up correctly, that's four billion-years of greenhouse gas emissions right there.
You're just troll, SECOND.
And a know nothing.
Anyone who takes your posts seriously is stupider than you are.
One rocket launch produces 200-300 tonnes of carbon dioxide, if kerosine fueled rather than hydrogen. In the whole of 2020, for instance, there were 114 attempted orbital launches in the world, burning all kinds of fuels, according to Nasa.
For one long-haul plane flight it’s one to three tons of carbon dioxide per passenger. There is only one kind of fuel for those jets, unlike for rockets. With 200 passengers, that is more CO2 than a rocket flight. The airline industry has more than 100,000 flights each day on average.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/19/billionaires-space-tou
rism-environment-emissions
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Friday, September 2, 2022 7:59 PM
Quote:Are you under the impression that the factories along the Houston Ship Channel were closed in Texas and reopened in China, rather than clean up their waste streams being dumped into the Ship Channel? The Texas factories did NOT close. All the refineries and petrochemical plants stayed in Texas and have increased production and profitability. Their owners had complained that the factories would go bankrupt because the Federal government's rules on dumping pollution into the Ship Channel. I've been waiting 30 years for the first bankruptcy, but none happened.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No shit.
That was the easy fix.
Ship all those plants and jobs overseas where they don't give a single shit about emissions. Bonus when you get 12 year olds to make your Nike's and iPhones for a quarter a day too.
You are the problem. And you know this. That's why you always feel guilty about everything.
But all the virtue signalling in the world isn't ever going to alleviate any of that guilt.
I think the factory owners were lying to the public, to Congress, and to the Supreme Court just because the owners didn't want to spend the money to clean their waste streams dumped into the Ship Channel. Time passes and today the same factory owners are lying about CO2 because they, once again, don't want to spend the money to clean their CO2 waste streams dumped into the atmosphere.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Friday, September 2, 2022 8:23 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Are you under the impression that the factories along the Houston Ship Channel were closed in Texas and reopened in China, rather than clean up their waste streams being dumped into the Ship Channel? The Texas factories did NOT close. All the refineries and petrochemical plants stayed in Texas and have increased production and profitability. Their owners had complained that the factories would go bankrupt because the Federal government's rules on dumping pollution into the Ship Channel. I've been waiting 30 years for the first bankruptcy, but none happened.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No shit.
That was the easy fix.
Ship all those plants and jobs overseas where they don't give a single shit about emissions. Bonus when you get 12 year olds to make your Nike's and iPhones for a quarter a day too.
You are the problem. And you know this. That's why you always feel guilty about everything.
But all the virtue signalling in the world isn't ever going to alleviate any of that guilt.
I think the factory owners were lying to the public, to Congress, and to the Supreme Court just because the owners didn't want to spend the money to clean their waste streams dumped into the Ship Channel. Time passes and today the same factory owners are lying about CO2 because they, once again, don't want to spend the money to clean their CO2 waste streams dumped into the atmosphere.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
I'm not talking about your deranged little multiverse world of Texas you've built up in your damaged brain.
PRO TIP: Nobody else you ever engage with is either.
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Friday, September 2, 2022 11:02 PM
Quote:So, let's see... WHO, exactly, are flying their private jets all over creation?
Originally posted by second:Quote:Signym, you are overestimating rocket flights and underestimating airplane flights.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If I add it up correctly, that's four billion-years of greenhouse gas emissions right there.
You're just troll, SECOND.
And a know nothing.
Anyone who takes your posts seriously is stupider than you are.
One rocket launch produces 200-300 tonnes of carbon dioxide, if kerosine fueled rather than hydrogen. In the whole of 2020, for instance, there were 114 attempted orbital launches in the world, burning all kinds of fuels, according to Nasa.
For one long-haul plane flight it’s one to three tons of carbon dioxide per passenger. There is only one kind of fuel for those jets, unlike for rockets. With 200 passengers, that is more CO2 than a rocket flight. The airline industry has more than 100,000 flights each day on average.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/19/billionaires-space-tou
rism-environment-emissions
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Who even flies commercially? The homeless? The barrista/Walmart greeter? The Chinese factory worker, the farmer in South Asia/ Africa/ S America?
And speaking of jets... What about all those FIGHTER JETS? Yanno, the ones blasting off from carriers to the tune of tens of thousands of gallons each time?
Lotta waste by the wealthy and the military, SECOND.
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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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Friday, September 2, 2022 11:45 PM
Quote:Signym, your point is hovering around not making a CO2 waste stream, a very straightforward way to decrease CO2. Did you know that every person emits two tons of carbon dioxide a year through eating? Stop eating and straightforward stop a CO2 waste stream.
Originally posted by SignyM:
So, let's see... WHO, exactly, are flying their private jets all over creation?
Who even flies commercially? The homeless? The barrista/Walmart greeter? The Chinese factory worker, the farmer in South Asia/ Africa/ S America?
And speaking of jets... What about all those FIGHTER JETS? Yanno, the ones blasting off from carriers to the tune of tens of thousands of gallons each time?
Lotta waste by the wealthy and the military, SECOND.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101102131108.htm
My point was that CO2 is a waste stream and could be handled exactly the same as any other waste stream from a factory, but usually isn't handled because capturing CO2 costs money, just as capturing water pollution costs money. It is engineering and money to pull CO2 out of the air to make jet fuel and rocket fuel, but it is not done often because the people who buy fuel don't want to pay when there are cheaper fuels.
JUNE 7, 2018 - "This Gasoline Is Made of Carbon Sucked From the Air"
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/carbon-engineering-
liquid-fuel-carbon-capture-neutral-science
Quote:
Getting it right also meant keeping the costs below $100 for each ton of CO2 removed from the atmosphere. The design and engineering cost of the pilot project that’s been running since 2015 in Squamish, British Columbia, was published today in the peer-reviewed energy journal Joule. The company used existing industrial processes to scale up and reduce costs.
“Our paper shows the costs and engineering for a full-scale plant that could capture one million tons of CO2 a year,” Keith said.
Until now, the costs of CO2 removal, or what’s known as “direct air capture,” were believed to be at least $600 per ton.
FEBRUARY 9, 2022 - "Stanford engineers create a catalyst that can turn carbon dioxide into gasoline 1,000 times more efficiently"
https://news.stanford.edu/2022/02/09/turning-carbon-dioxide-gasoline-e
fficiently/
CO2 from air made into fuel
https://www.google.com/search?q=CO2+from+air+made+into+fuel
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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