Boston bombing motive
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UPDATED: Wednesday, November 5, 2025 22:25
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"According to the FBI, once they learned the identities of the two brothers today, the FBI reviewed its records and determined that in early 2011, a foreign government asked the FBI for information about Tamerlan Tsarnaev. The request stated that it was based on information that he was a follower of radical Islam and a strong believer, and that he had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the United States for travel to the country’s region to join unspecified underground groups.
In response to this 2011 request, the FBI checked U.S. government databases and other information to look for such things as derogatory telephone communications, possible use of online sites associated with the promotion of radical activity, associations with other persons of interest, travel history and plans, and education history.
The FBI said it also interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev and family members, however they did not find any terrorism activity, domestic or foreign, and those results were provided to the foreign government in the summer of 2011. The FBI requested but did not receive more specific or additional information from the foreign government."
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So, what I get out of these various reports is that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was radicalized in the US, not overseas. Perhaps his alienation and lack of friends came after the family fell on hard times, and he realized that he didn't have a single friend b/c his previous 'friends' abandoned him socially after the family's status fell. It would take some tracking down of specifics, and I'm sure there would be some re-writing of history going on if people were interviewed about their relationship with him during that time.
I wonder about the article. It talks about suicide/ rampage killers.
But if the political agenda is clear, as is the mental illness, but the suicide factor is absent like with Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, or Jared Lee Loughner, Gffords' shooter, does that put the person in a different category?
It also I think makes too little of the mental illness factor in spree killers who are clearly delusional and don't appear to have a political, personal, or social agenda when it comes to their choice of target(s), like with James Holmes.
OTOH when you look at someone like Wade Michael Page (Sikh Temple shooter), while his political agenda is clear, his personal pathology or suicidal intention isn't.
It would be interesting if some knowledgeable person were to address these variations in detail, b/c I find the broad brush explanation in the first post to be insufficient.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Money grew scarce, and the family went on welfare. Zubeidat was accused of stealing from a department store. Anzor’s business, never prosperous, faded."
Ah, yes the American dream. Money, success, material goods. But the dream never happens for 24.75% of Americans who live in or near poverty. What then? Well, if you're born American and fully propagandized, you blame yourself. If you're not, you more rationally blame the system.
Record U.S. Poverty Rate Holds As Inequality Grows
Today the Census Bureau released its analysis of U.S. poverty in 2011, and the official poverty rate essentially held at 15 percent, meaning that 46.2 million people live below the poverty line.
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They aren't in poverty, but they are just a step away from falling into its clutches.
More than 30 million (9.75%) Americans are living just above the poverty line. These near poor, often defined as having incomes of up to 1.5 times the poverty threshold, were supporting a family of four on no more than $34,500 last year.
Are you seriously fucking blaming the United States for this family's shoplifting, drug dealing and oh yeah, let's not forget MURDERING ways ?
Unfuckingbelievable.
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So, let me briefly respond to this. Please indicate where I 'blamed' the US for Tsarnaev's actions. All I did was point out that a lot of people in the US could have a legitimate reason to blame government and business for their misery. What they choose to do about it is up to them.
With that in mind, I challenge you to show how I 'blamed' the US for the presumed shoplifting, drug dealing and bombing.
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Quote:So... we shouldn't DEMAND better info, is that it Mr. Lapdoggie?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Choices are made, with the info we have at the time, and we live w/ the consequences.
You're such an idiot. A safe little wingnut. Be happy with your lot.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, let me briefly respond to this. Please indicate where I 'blamed' the US for Tsarnaev's actions. All I did was point out that a lot of people in the US could have a legitimate reason to blame government and business for their misery. What they choose to do about it is up to them.
With that in mind, I challenge you to show how I 'blamed' the US for the presumed shoplifting, drug dealing and bombing.
In a thread titled " Boston bombing motive " , you post this tripe out of Left field, about them having such a hard financial go of it, as some how playing into the reasons for the actions ?
No one has a " legitimate reason " to blow the legs off of innocent bystanders at a road race, to murder an 8 year old child, watching his dad run. Blame govt and business for the piss poor choices THEY made for themselves ? THEY are to blame for their own misery. Not govt or business.
Only this wasn't about hard times and misery, it was about THEM not assimilating to American life, after THEY came here, after they were GIVEN welfare, and after THEY decided to sell drugs and steal. Which is all well and good, if that's what you think you need to do, even though you're breaking the law. And that'll likely bring more consequences. But then to whine about it, and claim your life sucks soooo much ? Please. They don't know what suffering is. They CHOSE to be miserable.
Why ?
Because they were miserable in the first place. Miserable people.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Did I blame the US? Yes or no.
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Well rappy, since you bothered to respond in detail, I will too.
Quote:I only wrote that in because every time I said tht he didn't have ANY, you would point to the old, spoiled, forgotten bits and pieces here and there any exclaim AHA! But he DID have WMD! And there they are! and we would go round and round about how the pieces were decrepit scraps from bygone years. So, Saddam DID have WMD... in 1988. Whatever remained after 15+ years was not a threat to anyone. Capice? The question is... was any of that worth an invasion?
Saddam did not have enough WMD to form a credible threat to anyone. By 2003, there were only a few remnants of misplaced, forgotten and spoiled chemical and biological shells from 1988.
Wait...He didn't have " enough " ?? I thought he didn't have ANY!! Now you've changed your tune on that note ? Funny.
Quote:Yes, because Sarin weapons moved into Syria in 2003 would still be viable today? Not. Sarin is an unstable substance, it would naver last that long. I know this because my team worked with Fort Edgewood Proving Grounds on civilian detection of chemical weapons, so I had to learn quite a bit about them. Whatever you think you discovered, while an interesting idea, is nothing.
And yet, Syria has WMD. Huh.
Quote:In 1991. Which is why the restrictions were put in place. You seem to have difficulties with timelines... yanno, what happened first, what happened afterwards. Maybe you should have someone look into that.
Remind the folks in Israel that important fact. They were on the receiving end of quite a few scud missiles from where? Oh yeah..IRAQ.
Quote:He didn't have viable WMD left over from 1988. He wasn't producing any WMD at the moment, he wasn't researching WMD for the future.... How much clearer can I possibly be?? Do you finally get the point?
So, now he DIDN'T have WMD, huh? And if he didn't have nuclear program, then I guess that means he didn't have all the others, huh ? Is that how it works ? You can't have one unless you have the whole set ?
Quote:Not mine... Bush's. Bush said
Despite what Rumsfeld said, he did not have WMD deployed anywhere near Baghdad, or anywhere else, for that matter.
OK, if you say so. Your word's good enough for me. ( sarcasm )
Quote:The whole inspection team that was sent in AFTERWARDS said so. But don't take anyone's workd for it, use your common sense (if you have any): IF there were WMD deployed around Baghdad in useful quantities in preparation for the American invasion, don't you think someone would have found them? After all, they WERE smack-dab in the path of the invasion.
Now, look, I -- part of the reason we went into Iraq: was -- the main reason we went into Iraq: at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn't
Quote:That's not a proof. All you have to do is find ONE statement from the UN asking us to help with their weapons search. Just one. Right now, you got dick.
The UN did not ask for our "help" in enforcing the weapons ban. They had their own inspection team - which included USA military and CIA inspectors. In fact, the prospect of USA bombing led to an evacuation when the inspectors were within a few months of completing their task.
Sure, right.
Quote:The point is that you're wrong. About everything.
Nor did the last UN resolution on the matter- R1441- allow any nation to invade Iraq at a whim. UN resolutions supersede each other, that is, altho later resolutions reference previous ones, they also CANCEL THEM OUT. So reference to previous resolutions was not carte blanche for invasion.
It wasn't " at a whim ". But that's been gone over and over ad nauseum, so what's the point ?
And you will STILL find none of your best buddies here defending you, because you're an embarrassment.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Did I blame the US? Yes or no.
Sounds like ya did to me. So, 'yes'.
Why else offer that pile of go-se about their financial problems ? I got news for ya...lots of folks, lots of immigrants, have very little to live on and suffer in lean economic times. BFD. Doesn't drive them to sell drugs or shop lift 100's to 1000's of $'s worth of items from places like Lord and Taylor, does it ? And it sure as hell doesn't drive young married guys w/ a wife and child to spend $ on pressure cooker bombs, guns, and other devices, now does it?
Gee, what WOULD drive someone to do such things ? Hmmm...
And Sig? I was wrong about NOTHING.
You just can't deal w/ the facts because it obliterates your reason for Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Jesus fucking Christ... get over it already.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Quote:Sigh, You're wrong, about everything. You've got dick, you know you've got dick, and everyone else knows it too. You were wrong about the economy being ON FIRE too! All you're doing is plugging your ears and saying "Nyah nyah nyah! I can't hear you!. What are you- two years old? Really, not worth wasting any more of my time, but another good chance for all of your buddies here to take a good look at what a pointless loser you are.
And Sig? I was wrong about NOTHING.
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"Sounds like ya did to me. So, 'yes'."
Get me that quote where I 'blamed' the US. I'll wait about an hour. Time's a wasting, boy.
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