Boston bombing motive
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UPDATED: Wednesday, November 5, 2025 22:25
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NIKI- Thanks for the article. I think whatever it was, was personal. Tamerlan said "I don't have a single American friend. I don't understand them,". That expresses a deep alienation from all of the people around him.
"America, the golden door, had already welcomed two of his brothers when Anzor Tsarnaev crossed the ocean with his family in 2002. Anzor’s brother Ruslan, who had immigrated just a few years earlier, already had a law degree and was on his way to an executive job and a six-figure salary. And at first, Anzor, his wife, Zubeidat, and their two sons, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar, seemed as energetic and brimming with initiative as their relatives had been. Anzor, a mechanic, fixed up cars. His wife turned a cut-rate apartment in affluent Cambridge into an improvised salon, offering facials at attractive prices. The boys — who authorities believe are the Boston Marathon bombers, responsible for killing four people and injuring more than 250 — took to their new home with gusto. The older one, Tamerlan, was sociable, even showy, dressing sharply, honing his body to become an Olympic boxer. He married an American WASP, daughter of a well-to-do Rhode Island family.
The younger boy, Dzhokhar, was almost instantly as American as they come: He fell for a blond beauty and won her over. He made the high school wrestling team and was popular and empathic enough to be named captain. He partied hard and studied when he had to.
But over the past four years, even as members of their extended family found their piece of the American dream, the Cambridge Tsarnaevs’ experience in their new land curdled. Money grew scarce, and the family went on welfare. Zubeidat was accused of stealing from a department store. Anzor’s business, never prosperous, faded.
When the mother found solace in a deepening religiosity, the father, icy to such devotion and ill with cancer, went home to Dagestan, a place that was never really home to start with.
And the boys underwent transformations so dramatic that some friends could barely recognize them: Tamerlan in his early 20s embraced a harsh, separatist brand of Islam and in a couple of years went from wishing his neighbor a merry Christmas to angrily attacking a Muslim grocer for advertising a Thanksgiving charity food collection. The change in Dzhokhar, now a college sophomore, became apparent only in the past few weeks, and even then seemed to be tacked on to his existing lifestyle rather than displacing it. Less than two weeks before the marathon, Dzhokhar, previously known to friends as a stoner always up for a beer and a blunt, told a college friend that he no longer cared about his classes, that religion and God were the only true things in life."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/feature/wp/2013/04/27/the-tsarnaev-fa
mily-a-faded-portrait-of-an-immigrants-american-dream/?hpid=z1
Sounds more like the brothers gave up their friends as they somehow became radicalized, perhaps under the mother's influence.
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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What's to prove? You're wrong.
You toss out red herrings like Iraq didn't have anything to do w/ 9/11. Yeah, so what ? That never was the reason we went to war in Iraq. We went to war in Afghanistan a full year before Iraq, specifically BECAUSE of 9/11.
And hell yeah Saddam supported terrorism. It's laughable to hear you even try to claim he didn't.
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Iraq under Saddam supported international terrorist organizations to bolster Iraq's revolutionary credentials, ensure his own role as Great Arab leader, and intimidate rival governments.
In examining the history, methods, and patterns of behavior of Saddam Husayn in supporting international terrorism, some "truths" stand out. Beginning in the early 1970s, Saddam provided safe haven, training, arms, and other forms of assistance to Palestinian and Arab extremists. Baghdad hosted the Abu Nidal Organization (ANO), the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), and the Hawari faction of the PLO. In addition, Baghdad created the Arab Liberation Front (ALF) as its personal surrogate in the wars against Israel. Although the ALF conducted no terrorist operations, Saddam used it in the 1970s and resurrected it again in the current Palestinian intifada as a means to recruit Palestinians and, in 2001, to win praise for offering $25,000 to the family of each Palestinian "martyred" in an Israeli attack. Some examples of Iraqi support include:
Abu Nidal. While enjoying safe haven in Iraq, the ANO conducted a number of terrorist attacks on Jewish and Israel targets in the 1970s and 1980s, including murders at synagogues and attacks on El Al airline passengers in Turkey, Austria, Belgium, and Italy, and the hijacking of a Pan Am airliner (Pan Am 73) in Karachi, in which 22 people (2 Americans) were murdered. ANO also attacked PLO representatives in Europe, murdered Jordanian diplomats, and attempted to assassinate Israel's ambassador in London. (This attack became the cause celebre for Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982.) When ANO leader Sabri al-Banna refused to conduct operations against the Syrian regime ordered by Iraq, he was cast out of the country, only to later be allowed back. He died in August 2002 in Baghdad from 4 gunshot wounds to the head, a suicide according to Iraqi security officials. I assume Saddam had decided to remove evidence of his links to one of the most notorious of international terrorists at a time when the United States was increasing pressure on him to reveal his WMD programs and was accusing him of sponsoring al-Qaida.
Abu Abbas. Palestinian terrorist Mahmud Abbas, known as Abu Abbas, and his organization, the Palestine Liberation Front (PLF), enjoyed safe haven and support in Saddam's Iraq. Abu Abbas was responsible for the October 1985 hijacking of the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro and the murder of Leon Klinghoffer, an elderly American confined to a wheelchair. In October 2000, following the outbreak of Israeli-Palestinian fighting, Abu Abbas announced from Baghdad that the PLF would resume attacks on Israel.
Others: In the 1970s Saddam aided Palestinian radical factions that conducted terrorist operations on Israeli, Jewish, Western, and moderate Arab targets. In the 1980s, he sheltered the Kurdish anti-Turkish terrorist group, the Kurdish Workers Party (PKK) at the same time he allowed Ankara hot pursuit of PKK terrorists across its border. In the 1990s, he provided safe haven and supported attacks by the leftist anti-Iranian Mujahideen-e Khalq on targets inside Iran, including rocket attacks on government office buildings in Tehran.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing3/witness_yaphe.htm
You present a clever trick, by suggesting Saddam didn't help directly w/ the 9/11 attackers, as if that some how absolves him from other dealings he had.
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But I did find other comical items in your post...
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Saddam did not have enough WMD to form a credible threat to anyone. By 2003, there were only a few remnants of misplaced, forgotten and spoiled chemical and biological shells from 1988.
Wait...He didn't have " enough " ?? I thought he didn't have ANY!! Now you've changed your tune on that note ? Funny.
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Iraq did not move WMD into Syria. Although it was kind of amusing to hear you insist that he had.
And yet, Syria has WMD. Huh.
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Saddam did not have a delivery system, since all of his rocketry was restricted to a range that allowed only for defense against Iran.
Remind the folks in Israel that important fact. They were on the receiving end of quite a few scud missiles from where? Oh yeah..IRAQ.
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Saddam did not have a WMD production program, or even a nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons research program. There were no efforts along those lines.
So, now he DIDN'T have WMD, huh? And if he didn't have nuclear program, then I guess that means he didn't have all the others, huh ? Is that how it works ? You can't have one unless you have the whole set ?
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Despite what Rumsfeld said, he did not have WMD deployed anywhere near Baghdad, or anywhere else, for that matter.
OK, if you say so. Your word's good enough for me. ( sarcasm )
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The UN did not ask for our "help" in enforcing the weapons ban. They had their own inspection team - which included USA military and CIA inspectors. In fact, the prospect of USA bombing led to an evacuation when the inspectors were within a few months of completing their task.
Sure, right.
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Nor did the last UN resolution on the matter- R1441- allow any nation to invade Iraq at a whim. UN resolutions supersede each other, that is, altho later resolutions reference previous ones, they also CANCEL THEM OUT. So reference to previous resolutions was not carte blanche for invasion.
It wasn't " at a whim ". But that's been gone over and over ad nauseum, so what's the point ?
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Stop being a stupid two year old, thinking you can get your way with the grown-ups of you just throw a loud enough tantrum long enuf.
Or not.
And keep being looked on like a cretin.
ENJOY YOUR NEXT FOUR YEARS!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - HERE'S LAUGHING AT YOU KID!
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RWA thought processing is all. It's not about protecting this country from an imminent threat. It's about punishing the evil-doer.
When non-RWA folk say there were no WMD, they mean all the rest--there was no ongoing program, there was no WMD that posed a threat to us--because protecting our nation is the issue for them. AURaptor's feeling vindicated because there literally were FRAGMENTARY AND UTTERLY USELESS WMD is disgusting and deeply intellectually dishonest as any justification for war.
But the RWA focuses on the sins of the evil-doer. A link to the non-RWA protection motive is then found in the twisted metaphysics of the RWA because the true RWA sees all evil-doers as threats. For the RWA, America's not the world's police force, but the world's firing squad.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Stop being a stupid two year old, thinking you can get your way with the grown-ups of you just throw a loud enough tantrum long enuf.
Or not.
And keep being looked on like a cretin.
Thank you for showing us all that you're exactly what you accuse others of being.

And OMG, back to the 'imminent threat' whining ? Hell, that's been distorted every bit as much as Cheney's " deficits don't matter " line. Give it a rest already.
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When non-RWA folk say there were no WMD, they mean all the rest--there was no ongoing program, there was no WMD that posed a threat to us--because protecting our nation is the issue for them. AURaptor's feeling vindicated because there literally were FRAGMENTARY AND UTTERLY USELESS WMD is disgusting and deeply intellectually dishonest as any justification for war.
RWA - ? Regional Water Authority ? I'm guessing it has something to do w/ Right-Wing something or other. Meh.
The intellectual dishonesty is that those who think Saddam was a freakin' Boy Scout, and wasn't doing anything he wasn't suppose to be doing. How many YEARS did Saddam have to hide, destroy or move out of country the specific items we TOLD him we were coming to inspect ? Doesn't take a ruttin' genius to do a massive clean up job, to cover their tracks. I'm betting they called this guy...
On second thought, he'd have done a better job.
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"Money grew scarce, and the family went on welfare. Zubeidat was accused of stealing from a department store. Anzor’s business, never prosperous, faded."
Ah, yes the American dream. Money, success, material goods. But the dream never happens for 24.75% of Americans who live in or near poverty. What then? Well, if you're born American and fully propagandized, you blame yourself. If you're not, you more rationally blame the system.
Record U.S. Poverty Rate Holds As Inequality Grows
Today the Census Bureau released its analysis of U.S. poverty in 2011, and the official poverty rate essentially held at 15 percent, meaning that 46.2 million people live below the poverty line.
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They aren't in poverty, but they are just a step away from falling into its clutches.
More than 30 million (9.75%) Americans are living just above the poverty line. These near poor, often defined as having incomes of up to 1.5 times the poverty threshold, were supporting a family of four on no more than $34,500 last year.
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Best thing about Saddam Hussein was that while he was there, he kept the Iranians-- well, in check is not the right word, but they were so busy fighting him and keeping an eye on him, they didn't have enough left over to get into too much mischief. Then we removed him , and HEY! PRESTO! Iraq is now or will soon be, an Iranian client state.
Good job our side.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Money grew scarce, and the family went on welfare. Zubeidat was accused of stealing from a department store. Anzor’s business, never prosperous, faded."
Ah, yes the American dream. Money, success, material goods. But the dream never happens for 24.75% of Americans who live in or near poverty. What then? Well, if you're born American and fully propagandized, you blame yourself. If you're not, you more rationally blame the system.
Record U.S. Poverty Rate Holds As Inequality Grows
Today the Census Bureau released its analysis of U.S. poverty in 2011, and the official poverty rate essentially held at 15 percent, meaning that 46.2 million people live below the poverty line.
...
They aren't in poverty, but they are just a step away from falling into its clutches.
More than 30 million (9.75%) Americans are living just above the poverty line. These near poor, often defined as having incomes of up to 1.5 times the poverty threshold, were supporting a family of four on no more than $34,500 last year.
Are you seriously fucking blaming the United States for this family's shoplifting, drug dealing and oh yeah, let's not forget MURDERING ways ?
Unfuckingbelievable.
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Best thing about Saddam Hussein was that while he was there, he kept the Iranians-- well, in check is not the right word, but they were so busy fighting him and keeping an eye on him, they didn't have enough left over to get into too much mischief. Then we removed him , and HEY! PRESTO! Iraq is now or will soon be, an Iranian client state.
Good job our side.
Yep. Good job indeed. It was well known, back during the Iran/ Iraq war, that Saddam was anything but a 'good guy'. It may not have been reported that way, but the folks at the State Dept. knew well enough.
That's the catch-22 world we live in, where sometimes to fight one evil, you must use another. Had we not sided w/ the militant Muslisms in Afghanistan in the 80's, the Soviet Union would have likely won their 'occupation' war, and had their nose all that much close to the oil in that region, as well as a warm water port.
Maybe the USSR doesn't collapse. Maybe the wall in Berlin is still standing today.
Choices are made, with the info we have at the time, and we live w/ the consequences.
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