Zoë Warren: Most Mysterious Character?

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UPDATED: Friday, May 21, 2004 20:31
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GHOULMAN

Thursday, May 20, 2004 12:14 PM

The Zoe before the Battle of Serenity is veeeeery different from the Zoe after. The Zoe attached to Mals' hip.

And yea, we would have loved to see more of Zoe and Wash. But I didn't need to see more to understand that without Wash the Zoe before the War would have remained buried and all Zoe would be (or I might say could be) is Mals hip hugger. And be miserable.

Thanx to Wash, Zoe is on a journey to becoming a complete person. A journey the War nearly ripped from her. A journey we all take - the one where you can't get there alone.

LIZ

Thursday, May 20, 2004 1:07 PM

Zoe's is the epitome of that Western concept of "the (wo)man with no name" -- as in "A Fistful of Dollars" (based on "Yojimbo" of course). There had to be a character that could fill that role.
just my thought

GHOULMAN

Thursday, May 20, 2004 1:33 PM

Hmm. Nice Fist Full of Dollars catch. I love how Firefly emulates the spagetti western of days past. I can't agree that Zoe is the 'no name' character except to agree she is the closest character to that. And the only character on the show who might fulfill that role ... should it come up. :)

ASTRIANA

Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:22 PM

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Originally posted by Elwoodmom:
>>Remember, her marriage to Wash is recent and she didn't even like him upon first meeting. So Wash is a changing element for her... too bad we didn't get to see what changes Wash might have brought out of Zoe.<<

That's the one thing about the series that never made sense to me. How did she get from not liking Wash to marrying him?? No hints, nothing about what made her do an about-face.

You really outta read some of Sarahetc's fanfic about them. She really captures how it could have come about. All of her Wash/Zoe stuff is truly incredible. I believe they run in this order, chronologically (within the existing canon), but Sarah could tell you for sure:

Where the Truth Was
Mood to Burn Bridges
The Heart of Her
RSVP
First Mate
Laid Bare
Over and Over and Over

~A~
El Jefe Magnifico's Mistress... of Communications and Harems...

...I'm still free,
You can't take the sky from me.

CYBERSNARK

Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:24 PM

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Originally posted by insight spinner:
And Cybersnark, I LOVE badassitude!! Can I borrow that word?

Of course. I'm pretty sure it's mine; I used to use it on the Andromeda newsgroup (to define what Tyr lost when the show went pear-shaped).

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BROWNCOAT1

Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:38 PM

Nicely put Ghoulman. I do believe that Wash may have "saved" Zoe from the life she had sunk to after the war. I think he helped to bring out the side of Zoe she had to bury in order to get through the war and deal w/ the aftermath when the Independents were beaten.

Nice catch on the "man (woman) w/ no name" comparison Liz. That had never occured to me, but it is very accurate.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

SARAHETC

Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:15 PM

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Originally posted by Astriana:
You really outta read some of Sarahetc's fanfic about them. She really captures how it could have come about. All of her Wash/Zoe stuff is truly incredible.

Thank you so very much. Really, truly, thank you. I never got around to putting them in much of an order, but RSVP, Where the Truth Was, Mood to Burn Bridges and The Heart of Her are all pre-series. To make the chronological, I'd go: WTTW, MTBB, THOH, and RSVP.

After that Laid Bare and Over and Over and Over are missing scene fics. First Mate is a stand alone.

I'm actually close to posting a "how Zoe grew up" story-- with relevant Mal and Wash scenes. It's still being beta'd, but should be done soon. I fretted about saying that endlessly, but there it is. I hope it's not as ugly as I'm afraid it could be.

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

ELWOODMOM

Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:41 PM

You really outta read some of Sarahetc's fanfic about them. She really captures how it could have come about. All of her Wash/Zoe stuff is truly incredible. I believe they run in this order, chronologically (within the existing canon), but Sarah could tell you for sure:

Where the Truth Was
Mood to Burn Bridges
The Heart of Her
RSVP
First Mate
Laid Bare
Over and Over and Over

Thanks much!

INSIGHT SPINNER

Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Quote:
Originally posted by insight spinner:
And Cybersnark, I LOVE badassitude!! Can I borrow that word?
Of course. I'm pretty sure it's mine; I used to use it on the Andromeda newsgroup (to define what Tyr lost when the show went pear-shaped).

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

Oh yeah. Tyr had badassitude. It's your word, so I encourage you to start a thread just on the subject.

insight spinner
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Just an object. It doesn't mean what you think....

GUILDSISTER

Friday, May 21, 2004 8:31 PM

I think the necklace thing being a wedding symbol came from some of the guys on a DVD commentary track speculating without certainty--I think it's actually the bracelet she wears. She's not wearing it in the Out of Gas pre-Wash flashbacks but is in the post-scenes.

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