The predictions thread

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SIGNYM

Thursday, July 9, 2015 9:25 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, July 10, 2015 4:33 AM

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How expansive.

SIGNYM

Friday, July 10, 2015 5:20 PM

Oh, I was going to make a nasty comment on how KPO can tell me what a word MIGHT SOMETIMES mean, but can't give me a definition. And that despite his attempts to appear like some "balanced" thinker, he's really just polishing propaganda-turds. But then I decided it was just trolling, and with too much Americanism for KPO to understand.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

KPO

Thursday, July 16, 2015 3:39 AM

SHOCK:

Dutch MH17 report blames Russia-backed rebels for shooting down of passenger plane - http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/15/politics/mh17-pro-russian-missile-cr
ash-ukraine/index.html?sr=cnnitw

Very timely, with the anniversary coming up, that the whole world (especially the relatives of the victims) knows who was responsible.

It's not personal. It's just war.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, July 16, 2015 4:22 AM

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Originally posted by kpo:
SHOCK:

Dutch MH17 report blames Russia-backed rebels for shooting down of passenger plane - http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/15/politics/mh17-pro-russian-missile-cr
ash-ukraine/index.html?sr=cnnitw

Very timely, with the anniversary coming up, that the whole world (especially the relatives of the victims) knows who was responsible.

I thought half the people on your side of the fence said that's just crazy talk.
Who is it again that believes everything cnn says?

KPO

Monday, July 20, 2015 3:40 PM

Russia will veto any resolution to have a UN Security Council tribunal to prosecute the perpetrators of MH17

It's not personal. It's just war.

SIGNYM

Monday, July 20, 2015 8:16 PM

Probably. KPO, just OOC do you remember what I've been saying all along about MH17 and the investigation?

Don't go off half-cocked because of something on social media. There are a lot of alternate theories out there. Let the investigation do its work, it has access to information that we don't have, including physical pieces of the plane. There is a lot of evidence to be analyzed, including analysis of munitions fragments and other physical data.

The report isn't out yet, this is a leaked draft sent out to solicit comments and corrections from various interested parties. I don't expect the final result to change, but it might. Hopefully, that evidence will come out along with the report.

The various entities have been positioning themselves for the last month or so: Russian military has its position (shot down by a second plane), the BUK manufacturers have theirs, even Kiev has it's position (They were saying that the truth will never come out because Rotterdam has too much trade with Russia to offend the bear).

But the best interpretation I heard so far was that this reports will be like the Kennedy assassination and 9-11 reports: endlessly debated. Personally, I think 9-11 was a LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) and Oswald would never have been able to get all those shots off by himself.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

KPO

Monday, July 20, 2015 9:01 PM

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do you remember what I've been saying all along about MH17 and the investigation?

All of the RT talking points. Don't rush to judgement, consider all the other harebrained theories in Russian media, incriminating videos of Buks driving around don't count as evidence for some reason, wait for the report to be published (as if you'll accept its findings!!), etc etc

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Let the investigation do its work

Let a UN tribunal do its work as well - unless Putin has something to hide, in which case veto it.

It's not personal. It's just war.

SIGNYM

Monday, July 20, 2015 9:27 PM

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do you remember what I've been saying all along about MH17 and the investigation?- SIGNY

All of the RT talking points. Don't rush to judgement, consider all the other harebrained theories in Russian media, incriminating videos of Buks driving around don't count as evidence for some reason, wait for the report to be published (as if you'll accept its findings!!), etc etc

When the western press (including your favorite, bellingcat, and Israel) was vociferously blaming Assad, I said the same things about the Syrian gas attack- there is physical evidence to be collected and analyzed: trace stabilizers and contaminants which point to specific manufacturers, shells (either of standard manufacture, or a hodge-podge of parts), etc. Funny thing is, after MI6 did a chemical analysis of the sarin residue, western governmental voices have gone quiet - to the point of inaudibility- on the topic.

Same thing with Iraq so-called WMD. Hans Blix was on the ground, collecting evidence. It was USA bombing that drove him out, on wave of American propaganda and fear-mongering. We should have collectively stuck with relying on evidence, not what the news media said, because it's quite clear that governments lie- including yours, and ours. IF the MH17 evidence is released, THEN I'll have a chance to look it over. If the evidence is patchy, and the gaps are filled with assumptions and suppositions, then I'll probably reject the findings, just as I rejected the 9-11 Commission and the Warren Report. If OTOH the evidence is solid, then I'll accept it.

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Let the investigation do its work- SIGNY
Let a UN tribunal do its work as well - unless Putin has something to hide, in which case veto it.-KPO

As I read the objection, the problem with setting up a tribunal NOW - BEFORE the final report has been released and the relevant nations have had a chance to comment - is that it puts one of the parties to the investigation in conflict with the investigation, which is not yet concluded. In other words, if Russia is named as the defendant, it taints their role in the investigation. Whatever evidence that they may yet provide, or whatever comments on the draft report they may have, will either be tainted by their role as a defendant, or be muzzled by their role as a defendant. It's a matter of sequence - what comes first. I know you're all hot to find Russia GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY! by any means possible and without delay, but just be a little more lawyerly about it.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

KPO

Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:29 PM

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Funny thing is, after MI6 did a chemical analysis of the sarin residue, western governmental voices have gone quiet - to the point of inaudibility- on the topic.

This sounds like something from one of the blogs that you read.

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If OTOH the evidence is solid, then I'll accept it.

You will say whatever the Russian government says, and whatever you can think up on your own to support the Russian government.

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the problem with setting up a tribunal NOW - BEFORE the final report has been released...It's a matter of sequence

It's a matter of spin, and clutching at straws. What about AFTER the report has been released, will you support a UN tribunal then, or will you take Russia's side?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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