Parents of Adolf Hitler Campbell lose custody
POSTED BY: canttakesky
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 07:40
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Quote:No one disputes that.
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
And the biggest right is not to be abused.
The dispute is who has the right to decide what constitutes abuse? The kids? The govt? The parents? If parents don't have that right, as you say, then they have all the responsibility but none of the authority to use their own best judgment.
Doesn't sound fair to me, as a parent.
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Originally posted by canttakesky:
The dispute is who has the right to decide what constitutes abuse? The kids? The govt? The parents? If parents don't have that right, as you say, then they have all the responsibility but none of the authority to use their own best judgment.
Doesn't sound fair to me, as a parent.
I'd ask you the same question. Who does decide when it is time to intervene in a family? Because there are families where abuse takes place, and I am sure no one here would deny that.
Not all parents are equipped to parent, sadly. Being able to reproduce means you have the bits and pieces to do so and you have had sex. Doesn't mean that you have the mental or psychological (or physical for that matter) capacity to do so. So what happens in those situations, according to you.
I feel pretty clear about it, and I support the role of a government authority in being able to do so. I believe i see government quite differently to many here, as I see it as an instrument to create and enact/enforce laws that the community demands.
The community says that it is not okay to physically or emotionally abuse children, and has standards about what constitutes abuse. As a parent, you do not have the right to do differently because you may have different standards.
And I'm okay with that.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Okay. I was already in a pretty foul mood, but seeing everything I just said passed off as "don't like government, let the kids suffer durr-hurr-hurr-hyuck" has done it.
I will fulfill your fondest wishes, and try not to respond to any of you until such time as I'm not utterly and completely pissed off at everyone here and the rest of the world. Then you may speculate on what I might say and what you'd LIKE me to say at your leisure.
My post wasn't intended to you personally but to the argument at hand as made by a number of posters, nor did I intend to convey the message as you have described it.
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Hi Byte and Signe. I don't really think you guys are totally on opposite sides here, you both just have slightly different ideas about how the problems with CPS/DHS should be approached and fixed. I definitely think you both are right and have good points for the most part.
I believe in a certain amount of confidentiality, if a parent's child is taken from them because they aren't suited to parenting it doesn't necessarily mean they are evil and bad all the way through. My little brother came to us because his mom was neglectful. She was given ample oppertunity to improve and get him back but she was unable to do all the things necessary. She isn't a bad person, she loves her son, but she isn't built for parenting. So after a couple of years of him living with us and her trying to get it together, it was determined that he couldn't go back to her and we got to adopt him. He still goes to her apartment once a week for an evening visit, we drop him off and pick him up a couple of hours later. She loves him and he loves her, she just isn't built for parenting. I think this sort of thing is common enough that I wouldn't want her records all over the place, or that of other parents, unless they've done things of a more easy-to-charge-with-a-crime nature.
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Quote:If the parents have all of the say in how they treat their children, then the children are no more than property, with no socially recognized protections at all.
The dispute is who has the right to decide what constitutes abuse? The kids? The govt? The parents?
I sell off my 13-year old daughter to the whorehouse? Not abuse, say I. I work my 10-year old son to death? Not abuse, say I. And who is to say otherwise? Nobody, according to you.
It would be an interesting exercise if we could try to define, just amongst our small but very diverse group, what "rights" we think children SHOULD have.
So, let me start out by saying: The right to food, water, and shelter.
What else?
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Well, Romanian orphans had that, so I'd have to add:
People responsive to their distress.
Safe physical contact.
Safety, physical security and health care.
Education commensurate with the general standard.
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Hello,
Of course we'd never word the education clause in quite that way, I assume.
--Anthony
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To know both parents, at the very least know who their parents are....
To have an age appropriate voice in matters that concern them
To be free from abuse, verbal, physical and emotional harm
To not be treated as a piece of property
Some of these are detailed in the UN Convention on the rights of children.
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Hello,
Come to think of it, a lot of things need rigorous defining to prevent abuse.
--Anthony
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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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Rights for children in the US:
Food, water, shelter and clothing of an adequate standard.
The right to an education comparable to that of other children in the US, aka to a certain standard or beyond.
No physical, emotional, sexual abuse.
Respect as human beings, the right to be listened to.
LOVE!!!!!!
Being able to have social interactions with other people to whatever degree possible in their living situation.
Adequate medical care when sick.
To not be neglected, seems obvious but still needs stated.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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