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Friday, October 27, 2023 4:57 PM

UN official warns 'hell is settling in' as it struggles with Gaza humanitarian crisis

Oct 26, 2023
The Gaza health ministry run by Hamas released 200-plus pages listing those killed since Israel began its retaliatory air campaign for the October 7 terror attacks. The list shows more than 7,000 dead with nearly 3,000 children. It's an apparent response to President Biden's remarks doubting the death toll.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, October 27, 2023 9:42 PM

This was from JSF's thread about "No Thread on Topic" http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=65793&mid=1
183035#1183035


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
And Lord Darth Obiden is constantly begging for more American Tax Dollars to send to Hamas, Iran, any other Terrorists in the region - not to mention demanding that Israel not defend itself.

SIGNY:: WTF?


JSF: I guess that says a lot about the Looney Lefties on this board.
"And now he has sent in 2 Carrier Battle Groups to the region, to force Israel to bow down to the power and villainy of Lord Darth Obiden."

Now that Israel has defied Obiden's demands to not interfere with Hamas in Gaza, and China has demanded Obiden go back to sleep, and Obama/Biden have declared that they will create the new Palestine State:

Biden/Obama have clearly shown that they have been outmaneuvered at every turn, in Ukraine, Gaza, Taiwan, Philippines, China, Mexico, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Qatar, everywhere.

After 4 years of No More Wars Trump, Barry and Obiden have been able to sprout wars all across the globe. How will they collude to get a war going in Antarctica?


Seems fair clear that USA will be on the losing side of WW3. I guess Democraps finally got the war that they have salivated for, for all these decades.

Of course, I say "outmaneuvered" as a way of giving them the benefit of the doubt, pretending that this was not really their Master Plan all along. That is what they mean with their "re-balancing of power" plan to reduce USA to rubble.

SIGNY:
You must be tuned in to an entirely different channel
I have no idea where you get your facts from, or what you're trying to say.
One moment you sound war- hawkish, and the next you're complaining about too many wars??
The general interpretation is that Biden* is asking Netanyahu to hold back until he can get another carrier group (and maybe some nuclear subs) into the area to attack Iran directly, bc Iran and Syria have been on Israel s list of nations slated for destruction ever since "A Clean Break" was written by Richard Perle for Netanyahu in 1996.

A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Secu
ring_the_Realm


So, since I can't figure out what you're saying, how about taking a running start, only this time with more explanation and maybe some links, for background.



So, what do I wake up to see early this AM??


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US Warplanes Conduct Major Strikes On 'Iranian Proxies' In Syria
Thursday, Oct 26, 2023 - 07:25 PM

Update(22:25ET): In the overnight and early morning hours in Syria (local time), US forces carried out airstrikes on what it said are Iran-linked militants and installations in eastern Syria. Multiple targets have been hit.

According to a statement by Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, "Today, at President Biden’s direction, U.S. military forces conducted self-defense strikes on two facilities in eastern Syria used by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and affiliated groups." The attacks were reportedly done by US warplanes, likely operating out of either the Gulf or Mediterranean areas where new US naval assets have recently been positioned, keeping a watch on fast moving events in Gaza. Fox issued the following breaking detail:

F-16s and F-15s were used to strike targets in Syria earlier tonight in retaliation for the attacks on US troops in the region.

Earlier in the day there were reports, though with few details, that US forces in the same northeast region of Syria came under attack, as has been happening in the last several days. The Pentagon had also earlier announced that over a dozen US troops in Iraq and Syria have suffered Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) in the aftermath of drone and rocket attacks on US bas

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Saturday, October 28, 2023 1:44 AM

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Israel and United States Are Taking a Diplomatic Pounding

26 October 2023 by Larry Johnson 289 Comments

One of the goals of diplomacy is to use a combination of words and deeds to win the support of other countries. You know you are doing a bang up diplomatic job when even your adversaries side with you. Conversely, when you start getting push back from countries you considered allies or business partners over what you say and do then your diplomacy sucks.

I mentioned Israel’s UN Ambassador, a Mr. Erdan, in my previous post. He is a passionate guy with an incredibly grating personality. You can tell he has never worked as a salesman in his life. His approach is best described as a bulldozer running on nitro fuel. And his biting, scathing presentations are alienating countries that Israel has counted on in the past — Jordan, Turkey and China to be precise. The following three videos are the metaphorical kick to Israel’s groin. If the people of Israel and the United States ignore what these three countries are saying they will be making a grievous error and will likely take actions that will worsen the crisis.


MORE AT https://sonar21.com/israel-and-united-states-are-taking-a-diplomatic-p
ounding/and
I was

Queen Raina of Jordan (Most USA- pliant nation in the ME) criticizing Israel, the USA, and the collective west for our double standards.




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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Saturday, October 28, 2023 3:51 PM

The guest was Bassem Youssef, a beloved, charming, and gut-splittingly hilarious Egyptian. His appearance on Piers Morgan did not disappoint. “These Palestinians are so dramatic: Ahh! The Israelis are killing us. But they never die. They always come back. They are very difficult to kill. I know because I’m married to one. I tried many times. Couldn’t kill her,” Youssef said dryly, not smiling. Morgan tried to empathize, saying he understood Youssef’s “dark humor.” But Youssef continued: “She uses our kids as human shields. I can never take her out.”

Pro-Palestine positions are often mischaracterized or maliciously written off as “pro-Hamas” — best exemplified by former Israeli Prime Minister Yair Lapid’s argument that “if the international media is objective, it serves Hamas. If it just shows both sides, it serves Hamas.”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/palestine-israel-coverage-
piers-morgan.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, October 28, 2023 3:52 PM

In this video, provided to me by a relative on site, you can see the destruction at Saint Porphyrius Orthodox Church in Gaza. The ancient sanctuary remains standing, but the church annex, which includes offices and meeting spaces for the Christian community, collapsed from an Israeli airstrike, killing multiple members of three connected Orthodox Christian families, who are my relatives. They are my dad’s first cousins and their spouses, children, and in-laws. May their memories be eternal.
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1716512563096170835

This is my second cousin George being pulled from the rubble at Saint Porphyrius Orthodox Church in Gaza," Amash wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter. "This beautiful baby committed no crimes, harmed no person. May his memory be eternal.
https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/former-us-congressman-says-famil
y-members-including-baby-killed-in-israeli-airstrike-gaza-israel-hamas-war-conflict-attack-justin-amash-saint-porphyrius-orthodox-church-palestinian-christians-dead


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, October 28, 2023 4:27 PM

Jewish Israeli military blasts them from the sky and yet
Pallywood soap opera drama continues

they sacrifice their own to get that photo 'shot'

some say an Aid Van or Truck or Ambulance can be attacked, they Ambulance is allowed in if its looks islamic approved, no Jewish star the Red 'Cross' symbol can be attacked the islamic 'Crescent' operates
Press seems to be there also already ready and waiting for an event to take place.

Some will say the people of the Middle East can try deceive without qualms, they lie without blinking

The sling projectile used to throw a blunt projectile like a big stone vs the Modern Military Firearm?

'Palestinian medics are beasts.'
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1718185975405248721
Quicker there than Superman.

while so many others needed rescue they immediately responded for 'Sling Man'

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Saturday, October 28, 2023 4:37 PM

Who says they're real medics?
AFA I can tell, they're just guys in orange vests.
Could be like the "White Helmets" in Syria.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Saturday, October 28, 2023 11:54 PM

The Lights Are Off. Here’s What We Know About Life and Death Inside Gaza.

In a chilling interview on this week’s “Deconstructed,” Ryan Grim speaks with Maram Al-Dada, who has been in regular touch with his family in Gaza as they’ve been killed one after the other.

Glenn Greenwald Intercept by Ryan Grim / October 28, 2023 at 11:45AM
https://theintercept.com/2023/10/28/gaza-death-toll-interview/

KHAN YUNIS, GAZA - OCTOBER 26: This article was originally published as a newsletter from Ryan Grim.

Israel turned off the lights, cut the phone lines, and shut off the internet to Gaza on Friday night, plunging the region into darkness and isolation before launching a ground invasion. Only those inside know what’s happening there.

At the end of last week, I reached out to a source of mine from previous reporting, knowing that he was born and raised in Gaza, and I asked him how his family was managing in the face of the bombing campaign. He told me that so far, seven relatives on his father’s side, and 30 on his mother’s, had been killed. Those are numbers that we have no ability to comprehend. I told him that if he was able to, he was welcome to join our podcast, “Deconstructed” and tell their stories. After thinking about it for a few days, he decided to do it, and we spoke on Thursday evening, the night before he lost all contact with his family.

I first interviewed Maram for research I was doing for my new book on the Squad, the left, and their years-long fight with AIPAC over Israel–Palestine. That reporting turned into this feature published in the fall of 2022 on the distorting role of AIPAC and a related super PAC, Democratic Majority for Israel, in shaping and constraining the bounds of allowable discourse in Democratic primaries.

This week, that fight ratcheted up to unprecedented levels of animosity when nine Democrats voted against a resolution that condemned Hamas and defended Israel’s response, but which said nothing about Palestinian civilian lives lost. Democratic Rep. Josh Gottheimer, the Squad’s chief antagonist in the House, called them “despicable” in response. And President Joe Biden shockingly cast doubt on civilian casualty statistics put out by hospitals in Gaza because they run through the Ministry of Health, which is itself run by Hamas. In response, Hamas posted a public list of the names, ages, and ID numbers of 6,746 people who’ve died amid the bombing campaign. The list includes 2,664 children.

I’ve seen some people cast doubt on the reliability of the list, but Maram provided us a list of his relatives who’d been killed that was created before Hamas put its own data out, and those names all appear on the Ministry of Health list.
(We did find one duplicate on the list, not a relative of Maram’s, a 14-year-old boy who appears twice on it. That’s why I say it’s a list of 6,746 people and not the number you’ve seen in public reporting, 6,747.) I asked Maram what he made of Biden’s dismissal of the accuracy of the numbers, and he said he agreed with Biden, but in the other direction: It’s not possible that the hospitals are capturing the extent of the slaughter, he said, because many of the people he knows who have died in bombings have not been able to get to a hospital or a morgue.

Deliberately leaving Palestinian lives out of a congressional resolution, or suggesting that the numbers from Gaza can’t be trusted because Hamas runs the Ministry of Health, rigs those numbers. In fact, it likely makes the situation on the ground considerably worse, giving the IDF a sense of impunity that comes from dismissing the deaths as a Hamas conspiracy or fake news.

You can find my interview with Maram at this link
https://theintercept.com/2023/10/27/deconstructed-israel-gaza-family-i
nterview
/ or anywhere you listen to podcasts — just search for “Deconstructed.” And please share with anybody you think does not yet grasp the scale of what’s happening. It can’t stay hidden forever. Below is a brief excerpt of our conversation.

Maram Al-Dada: It’s a total of 46. Y

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Sunday, October 29, 2023 1:14 PM

Of course, we'll never see the Palestinian tragedy on western media. But the Israel one will be played over and over...


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FOUR carrier groups for Gaza???
Even one would be overkill!
What are they planning to do? Start WWIII?

It's beyond strange. Maybe they're thinking ... well, we can't win a land war, but we have all of these Navy ships just hanging about... maybe we should send them off on some photo op "mission"?
Then we could say that we "intimidated" Iran/ Russia/ Hezbollah/ (fill in the blank) from "doing anything" with our mighty warships?
Or maybe we really DO intend to fire on Syria/ Iran/ Hezbollah and provoke a regional war?
I dunno. Those people in State Dept, WH and Pentagon are just nucking futs and likely to do any stupid thing. Look at our recent history.



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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Sunday, October 29, 2023 5:49 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I dunno. Those people in State Dept, WH and Pentagon are just nucking futs and likely to do any stupid thing. Look at our recent history.

The Federal government has acted the same way for decades. The Palestinians knew that about the USA, despite the USA pretending it cared:

The World Has Never Cared About Gaza’s Suffering
By Ahmed Nehad / October 27, 2023

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/the-world-has-never-cared-abou
t-gazas-suffering
/

Gaza is being obliterated, and no global power is doing anything to stop it.

On October 6, blood, pain, and suffering in Palestine were of no interest to the world. They were too mundane, too “normal” to be acknowledged. Never mind that “normal” meant a Gaza that had been smothered by a 17-year Israeli blockade and a 56-year occupation. Never mind that it meant a Gaza where Israeli military invasions had become almost routine; with civilians laid to rest after every attack, and with entire neighborhoods leveled — tens of thousands of homes, mosques, churches, hospitals, cultural centers, and educational institutions crumbling to rubble every couple of years.

In Gaza, “normal” was the meager four to 12 hours of electricity a day. Hospitals had become destinations of last resort because, in this “normal,” there were just 1.4 beds for every thousand residents.

It was “normal” for families to starve, for essential medicines to run out, for graduates to stare at bleak futures, and for the vast majority to survive on mere aid.

Yet, this “normal”’ had long been met with a deafening global silence. This “normal” went unnoticed, a mere backdrop to world politics, seldom worth more than a passing remark.

Until recently. Until October 7. When Israeli civilians were killed, the world sat upright. They took note, they discussed, they condemned. They saw the horror of blood spilled in historic Palestine. Conversations about Palestine became mainstream only when the blood took on a different hue.

The very same world that had remained nonchalant about the everyday horrors in Gaza and in all of occupied Palestine was now interested and invested.

Twenty days on, the Gaza Strip has borne the brunt of over 12,000 tons of explosives. This translates to an average of 33 tons of explosives for every square kilometre of Gaza since October 7.

Israel has slaughtered around 6,000 Palestinians, including more than 2,300 children, with over 1,500 people still under the rubble. It has injured more than 16,000 children and women and men left to teeter on the edge of life, with almost no hospitals left to seek treatment, and almost no treatments available if they do manage to get to a hospital.

Israeli bombs have demolished residential blocks, including my own. My home, like so many thousands of others, stands no more. Around 1.4 million Gazans have been displaced. Gaza is being obliterated, and no global power is doing anything to stop it.

For the past 20 days, the world has appeared fixated on one haunting question. It has seemingly resolved that the answer is to obliterate Gaza from the map. But one question lingers globally: How do we do it? How do we annihilate Gaza?

Israel, in both its political rhetoric and military posturing, has made no secret of its ambition to wipe the Gaza Strip off the face of the earth and to subdue the “human animals” that call it home. But as they advance this genocidal agenda, politicians, A-list celebrities, and Western figureheads don’t just nod in agreement — they offer full support to help them achieve it.

In the United States, Joe Biden passes the hat around Congress, collecting loose change amounting to billions of dollars, all earmarked for Israel’s “Gaza Genocide project.” Even Japan, half a world away, sidles up to the Security Council to cast its vote against halting the Gaza genocide.

The Arab leadership, in a masterstroke of duplicity, has voiced their support for Palestine, decrying any suggestions of ousting them from Gaza to the Sinai. A mass e

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