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As Palestinians pushes for statehood, Israel finds itself more isolated

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Wednesday, October 25, 2023 8:09 AM

UN chief António Guterres condemned “clear violations of international law” in Gaza as the US added to mounting pressure on the Israeli government to pause its bombardment of the besieged coastal enclave and allow in more aid.

In his toughest remarks so far about the conduct of the war in the Gaza Strip, Guterres told the UN security council on Tuesday that the safety of civilians was paramount.

“Protecting civilians can never mean using them as human shields,” the secretary-general said, adding that it “does not mean ordering more than 1 million people to evacuate to the south, where there is no shelter, no food, no water, no medicine and no fuel, and then continuing to bomb the south itself”.

Guterres also said that the deadly assault by Palestinian militant group Hamas on southern Israel on October 7 “did not happen in a vacuum”.

“The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation,” he added, though he said their grievances could not justify the “appalling attacks”.

His remarks triggered a furious response from Israel. Israel’s ambassador to the UN, Gilad Erdan, described Guterres’s comments as “shocking” and called on him to resign, while foreign minister Eli Cohen cancelled a meeting with the secretary-general in protest.

https://www.ft.com/content/61c23c82-4eaf-499b-8989-ecdebb86c839

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, October 25, 2023 8:39 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I thought you were one of the dudes in Vietnam that was mowing down the civilians.

At least that's the lie that you always told us before.

Don't worry dude. Nobody believed you when you said it. Everybody knows that you live in your mom's basement and you're just a 30 something waste of carbon mistake that she regrets every day of her life.

This is history you can look up: My Lai massacre. It was NOT the only massacre, but it was the only one where there were Prizewinning Journalists around to write about it. Democrats opposed murdering civilians and Republicans enthusiastically praised murder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre

Back in the 1960's there weren't Trumptards because Trump wasn't a politician, but America was an overflowing toilet full of proto-Trumptards blocking the drain. Those proto-Trumptards reacted to the My Lai Massacre by denying there was a massacre. They knew they lied, but didn't care. They still don't care. Back then, the proto-Trumptards believed the only good gook was a dead gook, much like Trumptards today believe the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim (see Gaza for examples of dead Muslims). Soldiers at My Lai who murdered civilians got pardoned by President Nixon because that's what the proto-Trumptards wanted.

What Trumptards are saying today about massacres in Gaza is much the same as what Republicans said about massacres in Vietnam. The Nixon-loving angry white trash of the 60's are the same kind as the Trumptards of today.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


And yet, Johnson escalated the war beyond all reason, and Nixon ended it.

Meanwhile, the USA UNDER BIDEN* was the only nation in the security council to vote against a Gaza ceasefire. While some Dems were against Vietnam they have since become warhawks and neocons without boundaries.


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Wednesday, October 25, 2023 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I thought you were one of the dudes in Vietnam that was mowing down the civilians.

At least that's the lie that you always told us before.

Don't worry dude. Nobody believed you when you said it. Everybody knows that you live in your mom's basement and you're just a 30 something waste of carbon mistake that she regrets every day of her life.

This is history you can look up: My Lai massacre. It was NOT the only massacre, but it was the only one where there were Prizewinning Journalists around to write about it. Democrats opposed murdering civilians and Republicans enthusiastically praised murder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre

Back in the 1960's there weren't Trumptards because Trump wasn't a politician, but America was an overflowing toilet full of proto-Trumptards blocking the drain. Those proto-Trumptards reacted to the My Lai Massacre by denying there was a massacre. They knew they lied, but didn't care. They still don't care. Back then, the proto-Trumptards believed the only good gook was a dead gook, much like Trumptards today believe the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim (see Gaza for examples of dead Muslims). Soldiers at My Lai who murdered civilians got pardoned by President Nixon because that's what the proto-Trumptards wanted.

What Trumptards are saying today about massacres in Gaza is much the same as what Republicans said about massacres in Vietnam. The Nixon-loving angry white trash of the 60's are the same kind as the Trumptards of today.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




Ask your dad if he's still got the tube sock he used as a jiz rag. Maybe you can have it cloned. The best part of you had to have missed the target.

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Wednesday, October 25, 2023 6:14 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Ask your dad if he's still got the tube sock he used as a jiz rag. Maybe you can have it cloned. The best part of you had to have missed the target.

When I was a child I wondered why people like you were this way. I now know that even God couldn't fix you because the repair is DIY and you need insight about yourself to fix yourself.

This is not the State Department I know. That’s why I left my job.
By Josh Paul

Josh Paul is a former director in the State Department’s Bureau of Political-Military Affairs.

For more than a decade, I worked in the State Department bureau responsible for arms transfers and security assistance to foreign governments. In that time, I was involved in many complex and morally challenging debates over what weapons to send where. What I had not seen until this month, however, was a complex and morally challenging transfer in the absence of a debate.

So last week, I resigned.

A basic premise of U.S. military assistance to Israel since the Oslo Accords has been “security for peace” — the notion that if Israel can feel secure, including through the provision of billions of dollars’ worth of U.S.-funded arms transfers each year, it can more readily make the concessions allowing for the emergence of a Palestinian state. (This is also the basic job of the U.S. Security Coordinator, a State Department initiative I worked for in Ramallah for a year.)

But the track record shows that U.S.-provided arms have not led Israel to peace. Rather, in the West Bank, they have facilitated the growth of a settlement infrastructure that now makes a Palestinian state increasingly unlikely, while in the densely populated Gaza Strip, bombings have inflicted mass trauma and casualties, contributing nothing to Israeli security.

On Oct. 7, when Hamas massacred Israeli civilians, I felt sick to my stomach, both because of the horror being visited upon innocents and because I knew what would come next. Israel has a right to defend itself, but the country’s track record over a half-dozen major clashes in the past 15 years suggests that thousands of Palestinian civilians will die in the process.

Sure enough, Israeli requests for munitions started arriving immediately, including for a variety of weapons that have no applicability to the current conflict. These requests deserved the attention we would pay to any large arms package, and I urged a frank discussion. My urging was met with silence — and the clear direction that we needed to move as fast as possible to meet Israel’s requests. Concurrently, the same Congress that had previously blocked arms sales to other regimes with questionable human rights records was now pressing us to move forward to meet Israel’s demands.

The idea that U.S. arms should not be used to kill civilians has never been a controversial one in any of the four administrations I have served, dating back to my work helping rebuild the Iraqi security sector in 2004-2006.

Earlier this year, the Biden White House supposedly strengthened protections against such occurrences. Its new Conventional Arms Transfer Policy establishes a standard that transfers will not be authorized if they are “more likely than not” to be used to violate human rights.


In August, the State Department notified all its embassies of a new Civilian Harm Incident Response Guidance (CHIRG), which lays out a set of actions to be taken after a report of civilian harm resulting from use of U.S.-origin weapons. The risk is obvious that American weapons provided to Israel, especially air-to-ground munitions, will inflict civilian harm and violate human rights. But the department was so adamant to avoid any debate on this risk, even the publication of a pending department release about the CHIRG was blocked.

This is, at least in my experience, an unprecedented unwillingness to consider the humanitarian consequences of our policy decisions.

Managing the tension between human rights concerns and the requests of our partners is

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Wednesday, October 25, 2023 6:42 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

And yet, Johnson escalated the war beyond all reason, and Nixon ended it.

To win an election in 1968, Nixon made absolutely sure that South Vietnam's President would NOT sign a peace treaty:

Did Nixon Commit Treason in 1968? What The New LBJ Tapes Reveal.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/60446

Signym, I presume you know nothing about this nor do you know that Nixon dropped more tons of bombs on South Vietnam (not NORTH) than were dropped in all of WWII. Nixon only agreed to withdraw troops because Henry Kissinger convinced him that North Vietnam would never give up. Despite falsely optimistic claims by dishonest used car salesmen/generals in the Pentagon, Nixon knew that the US Army didn't have the stamina to fight long term. The Army was falling apart. A few more years in Vietnam would have ruined the US Army permanently, the same as what happened to the Confederate Army once its low-rank soldiers realized the North would never give up.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, October 25, 2023 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Ask your dad if he's still got the tube sock he used as a jiz rag. Maybe you can have it cloned. The best part of you had to have missed the target.

When I was a child I wondered why people like you were this way. I now know that even God couldn't fix you because the repair is DIY and you need insight about yourself to fix yourself.



I still wonder as an adult why people like you are this way:

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65116

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Thursday, October 26, 2023 2:19 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

And yet, Johnson escalated the war beyond all reason, and Nixon ended it.

To win an election in 1968, Nixon made absolutely sure that South Vietnam's President would NOT sign a peace treaty:

Did Nixon Commit Treason in 1968? What The New LBJ Tapes Reveal.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/60446

Signym, I presume you know nothing about this nor do you know that Nixon dropped more tons of bombs on South Vietnam (not NORTH) than were dropped in all of WWII. Nixon only agreed to withdraw troops because Henry Kissinger convinced him that North Vietnam would never give up. Despite falsely optimistic claims by dishonest used car salesmen/generals in the Pentagon, Nixon knew that the US Army didn't have the stamina to fight long term. The Army was falling apart. A few more years in Vietnam would have ruined the US Army permanently, the same as what happened to the Confederate Army once its low-rank soldiers realized the North would never give up.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Very much like South Vietnam was never part of the peace talks.

Ronni Raygun's admin sabotaged the release of American hostages by Iran, and torpedoed Jimmy Carter's run for President.

That IMHO is "just" dirty Presidential politics. The overall result is that Ronnie Raygun proposed a reduction in strategic nuclear arms, and Nixon ended the Vietnam war. Not that either party is peace-making: the Contra death squads were running amok under Reagan (Ollie North), and Nixon (Kissinger) armed a number of tyrannical "anti-Communist" regimes that killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of people.

But at least they were practical people with an eye on the other major powers. What do we have now?? A bunch of delusional maniacs who think it's still 1990 and that America can do anything, ANYTHING... Destroy Russia! Contain China! Remake the Mideast! Regime-change anywhere! Print money like there's no tomorrow!

Blinken, Sullivan, a series of five- star yes-men, Nuland, Hillary, Biden* ... as well as McConnell, Graham, Romney, Rubio and a bunch of other GOP warhawks.

And AFA Israel and Iran, Trump is just as disturbed as the rest of them.

Few saints here, and even fewer in the stew that is DC.

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Thursday, October 26, 2023 11:40 PM

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/10/26/israel-hamas-gaza-military-idf-te
chnology-surveillance-fence-strategy-ground-war/?tpcc=recirc_latest062921


Israel’s Military Tech Fetish Is a Failed Strategy | October 26, 2023, 7:15 AM

A fixation on technology created an illusion of safety—and an excuse to avoid hard choices.

By Franz-Stefan Gady, a senior fellow for cyber power and future conflict at the International Institute for Strategic Studies.

We are still in the early phase of Operation Swords of Iron, the name of the Israeli military response to the horrific Hamas-led massacre of more than 1,400 Israelis on Oct. 7. Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant has predicted a “long war.” Amid an intensifying aerial bombing campaign, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) are gearing up for a large-scale ground invasion of densely populated Gaza. The IDF is expected to face stiff resistance on the ground by Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and other groups, which will try to leverage the urban terrain, civilian population, and vast labyrinth of underground tunnels—dubbed the Gaza metro—for asymmetric advantages in this fight.

The IDF, built around a system of universal conscription and reserve service, is considered one of the best militaries in the world. Its air force and special operations units are the envy of many a NATO general. A key element that makes the IDF a potent force is the United States’ long-standing commitment to maintaining the Israelis’ qualitative military superiority over potential adversaries by providing roughly $3.8 billion a year in military assistance. Coupled with the IDF’s lavish use of Israel’s thriving tech sector, this allows the IDF to field an expensive, high-tech military, including cutting-edge air and missile defense systems, stealth fighters, as well as advanced intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) capabilities.

Yet it may be exactly this IDF quest for high-tech superiority over low-tech adversaries, such as Hamas, that has clouded its vision. Not only did the IDF’s sense of technological superiority contribute to its failure to anticipate a sophisticated combined arms attack on Oct. 7, but it may also be a tactical disadvantage in the expected ground campaign in Gaza. This wouldn’t be the first time it has been a problem: Analysts have pointed out that a “cult of technology” contributed to the IDF’s poor performance in the 2006 Lebanon War.

The reasons the IDF’s high-tech focus can backfire are interrelated. First, at the level of strategy and politics, Israel’s trust in technological superiority helped policymakers and senior military officers fall victim to the illusion that there were no hard choices to be made in Israel’s military strategy. Second, overreliance on such technology at the tactical level contributed to a defensive mindset within the IDF that may have allowed important skills, such as the ability to conduct complex combined arms operations when attacking, to atrophy. These weaknesses in the IDF’s ability to attack have been identified by Israel’s defense community as an issue for many years, and the IDF is currently in the middle of a process of doctrinal and structural adaptation as it experiments with a new warfighting concept. This incomplete process makes the timing of the impending land campaign suboptimal, to say the least.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s strategic myopia and hubris that led him to be blindsided on Oct. 7 was enabled by the trust that the IDF and Israel’s other security services had in their technological sophistication. It did so by creating the sense that Israel could have its cake and eat it, too, without the need to make any trade-offs: It could strive for better relations with its Arab neighbors while convincing itself that it was managing and containing Hamas and its allies—avoiding any need to deal with the immediate military threats posed by highly motivated, disciplined, and increasingly technologically sophisticated nonstate adversaries in Gaza and southern Lebanon.

The best symbol of this att

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Friday, October 27, 2023 11:45 AM

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Right now there are clips of islamics going home to home and shooting motehrs and fathers, they are killing older mouthy sisters that disrespected al-Lah in front of their little Jewish brothers and sisters, hijacking family and live streaming, inflicting trauma upon children
in social media videos you can see islamics going around door to door to Jewish homes and killing and hijacking and abducting and taking people hostage

What you see now in social media and on news videos is women, probably most Israeli Jewish some bound and gagged, some of them clearly beaten, blood patches on the buttocks side of their clothes clearly signs of trauma or maybe the were even violated, just as reporter Lara Logan experienced sexual violence in Egypt, one of the first known instances of taharrush gamea and Arabs using Rape as a weapon reported in the Western media



Funny how western media works. Even tho over seven thousand Palestinians have been killed by Israeli bombing (which maximizes damage over precision) and- given the demographics of Palestinian people- about 1000 are very young children. But you don't see pictures of THEM in western media, do you?

No videos of patients screaming as surgeons cut into them with insufficient anesthesia. Nothing of families without water crowding into UN Refuges. No obituaries of UN relief staff killed by Israeli bombs. That would just be too even-handed, wouldn't it? Not play well for Israel.

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Friday, October 27, 2023 4:55 PM

Wow! A Plan for Gaza to be Ethnically Cleansed. Hitler would be so proud of the Jews for applying the logic of his Final Solution to their enemies.

Hamas Attack Provides “Rare Opportunity” to Cleanse Gaza, Israeli Think Tank Says
By Jon Schwarz

The Misgav Institute for National Security & Zionist Strategy https://www.izs.org.il/ , an Israeli think tank, published a paper last week stating that thanks to the vicious Hamas attacks of October 7, “There is currently a unique and rare opportunity to evacuate the entire Gaza Strip.” https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e8ytZWVQyt1XncFPeDT9n1RoD_mZJRUk/view

The paper continues, “There is no doubt that in order for this plan to be enacted, many conditions need to exist in parallel. At the moment, these conditions exist, and it is unclear when such an opportunity will arise again, if at all.” Approximately 1,400 Israelis were killed during the initial assault.

The think tank advocates a bizarre scheme in which Israel would ethnically cleanse the entirety of Gaza and pay Egypt to house its former inhabitants in currently empty apartments near Cairo. (The paper was first reported and translated from Hebrew by Mondoweiss.)
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/israeli-think-tank-lays-out-a-blueprint
-for-the-complete-ethnic-cleansing-of-gaza
/

The Misgav Institute is headed by Meir Ben Shabbat. Ben Shabbat served four years as Israel’s chief of staff for national security after being appointed to the position in 2017 by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He previously was a senior official in Shin Bet, the approximate equivalent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the U.S. Other former top members of the Israeli government have also held prominent positions at the institute, as Mondoweiss explains.
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/israeli-think-tank-lays-out-a-blueprint
-for-the-complete-ethnic-cleansing-of-gaza
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This specific language — right-wing leaders enthusing about the “opportunity” that arises from massive suffering of their own people — is a kind of macabre universal following eruptions of ultraviolence.

On September 19, 2001, then-President George W. Bush proclaimed, “Through my tears, I see opportunity.” Several months later, Bush’s national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, explained, “[T]his is a period not just of grave danger, but of enormous opportunity. Before the clay is dry again, America and our friends and our allies must move decisively to take advantage of these new opportunities.” There were 2,977 people who died at the World Trade Center and Pentagon, and aboard United Airlines Flight 93.

Osama bin Laden also used language similar to that of the Misgav Institute — to describe the invasion of Iraq by the U.S. and its allies. In 2004, bin Laden said in an audio message, “Targeting America in Iraq in terms of economy and losses in life is a golden and unique opportunity. Do not waste it only to regret it later.” Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were killed during the conflict.

For Netanyahu’s part, he spoke in 2002 of the “golden opportunity” presented by the Al Qaeda bombing of a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya. In that attack, 13 people were killed, including Israeli brothers Noy and Dvir Anter, ages 12 and 13. CNN reported at the time that “screaming children covered in blood searched desperately for their parents amid the wreckage.”

While he used different words, Netanyahu also saw a bright future on September 11, 2001, when he was working in the private sector after his first period as prime minister. Asked by the New York Times what the attacks meant for U.S.–Israeli relations, he responded, “It’s very good.” Netanyahu then walked back his first remarks, saying, “Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy.” At that moment, it was believed that far more people, about 20,000, had been killed at the World Trade Center than later turned out to be the case.

As this all demonstrates, while the deaths of regular human beings are an unmitigated catastrophe for them and their families, our leaders often see a silver linin

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