What happened to "freedom of religion"?
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Sunday, April 21, 2024 23:47
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Regarding the two mosques mentioned in the article:Quote:
THAT is true bullshit...we've got churches in virtually EVERY residential neighborhood, one right down the street from us. These are EXCUSES to "legally" deny them the right to build.
Others opposed to the plan did so for more practical reasons, citing concerns about the effects on traffic and housing values. The mosque would be built in a primarily residential area.
"I was very surprised they would approve of that for any religion," said resident Jackie Archer.Quote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/us/31mosque.html
After a suspected arson and reports of gunshots at an Islamic center in Tennessee over the weekend, nearby mosques have hired security guards, installed surveillance cameras and requested the presence of federal agents at prayer services.
Muslim leaders in central Tennessee say that frightened worshipers are observing Ramadan in private and that some Muslim parents are wary of sending their children to school after a large fire on Saturday that destroyed property at the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro. Federal authorities suspect that the fire was arson.
Saturday, the police say, someone set fire to construction equipment at the site where the Islamic center is planning to move, destroying an earthmover and three other pieces of machinery. And on Sunday, as CNN was filming a news segment about the controversy, someone fired at least five shots near the property.
In Nashville, 30 miles northwest, local imams met with representatives of the United States attorney’s office on Monday to discuss the risk of further anti-Islamic violence. Several mosques have requested police surveillance, they said.
Another mosque, the Islamic Center of Nashville, has installed indoor and outdoor surveillance cameras, hired round-the-clock security guards and requested that F.B.I. agents be on site during worship services, according to the imam, Mohamed Ahmed.
At least here in California, people are standing up against the intolerance:Quote:
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/inland_empire&
Demonstrators clashed Friday over the proposed construction of a mosque right next to a church in Temecula.
As worshippers at the Islamic Center of Temecula Valley arrived to pray, a small but vocal group of about two dozen protestors waved American flags and shouted through bullhorns, denouncing a plan to build a new mosque in another part of the Riverside County town.
"I just don't agree with their beliefs," said Cynthia Daum, who assembled with the protestors across the street from the center.
The existing Islamic center has been operating in Temecula out of an industrial building for almost 10 years. Members have saved the funds to build a new mosque on a 4-acre plot of vacant land in a different area of the city.
Members of the community showed up in front of the Islamic Center to lend support, outnumbering the protestors by about 10 to one. They said they won't let the anger of some community members scare them away from building a mosque because it all comes down to civil rights.
"We respect everyone's opinion - we're American," said Hadi Nael. "They have the right to freedom of speech, we have the freedom of religion."
The proposed location of the mosque, in close proximity to a church, has stirred emotions over what some people see as an intrusion on the community.
"I have witnessed what happens to many nations in the world by the expansion of Islamic ideology," said Mano Bakh. "They destroy the community, they destroy the country."
The Islamic Center will submit its building proposal to the city's Planning Commission in August. Meanwhile, protestors are circulating a petition to stop its progress.
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If that protest petition works and the mosque isn’t allowed there, then again that would be using the
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At least here in California, people are standing up against the intolerance
Yeah, and look at what a colossal cluster fuck the entire state has become. Falls right in line w/ how everything else is being run out there.
When I see folks standing up against the 'intolerance', I can see an image of Niki, next to the word 'useful idiot' in the dictionary.
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Equally pathetic attempt at a snark, AND a threadjack. Has nothing to do with the issue; you answered none of my questions; and I'm not about to be jacked into responding to your idiocy, especially as we already went over the state of California's economic situation.
So when you see someone standing up against intolerance, you think they're an idiot, eh? Hooo...kay; do we need to know any more about him, folks? Yessiree, a REAL 'Murican!
Gawd, you just can't stay on track OR answer a straight question, can you? I didn't expect otherwise, and I got better things to do. You are truly an absurd excuse for a rational poster. I'm not bothering further with you.
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signing off 
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When those Muslims start siding with say...oh, your other fav religious folks... the Mormons, on such issues as gay marriage, let's see how 'tolerant' you are then.
This should be fun.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
What ever happened to " freedom of speech " ?
Citizens voicing their views on an issue isn't what the Founders were worried about. It was the GOVERNMENT forbidding or demanding a certain religion be followed or practiced.
So you're not okay with Tennessee's proposed law that would make it illegal to practice Sharia law, right?
And you'll no doubt come out in support of Oklahoma's new law banning Sharia law as well, yes?
After all, these ARE instances of the government telling you a certain religion CAN'T be followed or practiced.
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I agree, of course, that these townspeople are majorly overreacting and its a bit scary, it isn't going to hurt anyone to have an Islamic center there, people need to be allowed to worship as they please, as long as no one is being hurt. I totally agree with what Happy says, this could backfire on other people too. I don't condone it. The townspeople have the right to _peacefully protest, but that is as far as this should go in the town.
The thing about Sherria law is that it _does sometimes hurt people, namely women. So I think banning it, or at least the dangerous parts of it, is totally acceptable and should be decided on a state by state basis.
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Quote:You don't need a new law to ban a Muslim practice. Hurting people (including women) is ALREADY illegal.
Originally posted by RionaEire:
The thing about Sherria law is that it _does sometimes hurt people, namely women.
Targeting a religious practice that doesn't hurt anyone sets a dangerous precedent against the First Amendment.
Targeting a religious practice that is hurtful is superfluous.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
What ever happened to " freedom of speech " ?
Citizens voicing their views on an issue isn't what the Founders were worried about. It was the GOVERNMENT forbidding or demanding a certain religion be followed or practiced.
So you're not okay with Tennessee's proposed law that would make it illegal to practice Sharia law, right?
And you'll no doubt come out in support of Oklahoma's new law banning Sharia law as well, yes?
After all, these ARE instances of the government telling you a certain religion CAN'T be followed or practiced.
Yes, on both. The law is the law. And no 'religious' law can supersede constitutional law.
And isn't there some question as to whether Sharia IS authentically Muslim ?
Regardless, everyone must follow THE law, and not get special treatment or make up their own rules. You allow that to happen, you've lost any legitimacy of a nation, completely.
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This is a perfect example of NIMBYism. It's not just Islamic religious buildings. I've seen NIMBYism practiced against residential facilities for the retarded and mentally ill, prisons, industrial centers, powerplants, both coal and nuclear, Walmarts, the list goes on and on. Not In My Back Yard is a real fucker of a problem.
I have a patch of land, say a good 12 acres or so. I want to push up berms and put together a private shooting range. My neighbors can come along and claim noise pollution and stymie my activities on my land. If I fight that they can file an injunction and get a cease and desist on me for potential groundwater pollution from lead. I can fight it, and they'll throw up another roadblock. Because they don't like what I am doing on my own property. While it wasn't me, I know of someone who had that exact problem, an existing range for rifles, shotguns and pistols on a much larger piece of land. The neighbors in the new development next door complained. Now, they were the Johnny come lately in this situation. The range pre-dated the development. After a couple of years the landowner stopped using the 12 acres abutting the development for shooting and instead expanded his farming to the dozen acres. He started keeping pigs in the adjoining land. Property values in the development plummeted.
NIMBY sucks, but the government isn't doing it.
If you speak out on some topic it is illegal for the government to take action against you. However, if I disagree with you, don't expect to do business with me. I, as a proprietor of a business have every right to choose to not do business with you. If I choose to not do business with anyone who attends your mosque that is still my business. I'm not being prejudicial against your religion I'm being prejudicial against your mosque. It is a private business, my business, my choice.
This is called freedom. It cuts both ways.
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
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Originally posted by Niki2:
CNN had a special report last night, "Unwelcome: The Muslims Next Door".
Is this the same CNN which nightly for years has shown us clips of Muslims firing their AK47s in the air and shouting 'Allah Akbar' in celebration of the latest terrorist attack? These guys are going to try to create controversy anywhere they can, out of anything they can, in search of ratings. I'd be surprised if opposition to mosques is a prevalent as they would have you believe, or that there are as many folks with anti-muslim views as they'd like you to think. I know that there have been several new mosques built and existing ones expanded here in Northern Virginia with no problems.
Just for fun, I spent a minute googling for opposition to Christian churches in the U.S. (looking worldwide finds tons) and found...
Quote:http://www.allbusiness.com/legal/property-law-real-property-zoning-lan
Church construction stirs opposition in Chino Hills
CHINO HILLS - Residents and recreational users are concerned about a proposed church on rural English Road that could disrupt the area's quiet country atmosphere.
The Planning Commission tonight will consider a conditional-use permit that would allow the construction of an 11,600-square-foot, two-story church near the southwest corner of English Road and Peyton Drive. The area is presently zoned for rural residences and agricultural use.
d-use-planning/14833149-1.html
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Church condos’ ‘last approval’ draws neighbor opposition
Continued worries over the condominiums planned to go up around Porter Square’s elegant St. James’s Episcopal Church has residents preparing to attend Wednesday’s meeting of the Planning Board, said Patricia Armstrong, a neighbor of the project.
“Oaktree has repeatedly stated from the start they needed no special permits,” Armstrong said, referring to the developer of the four-story, 78,000-square-foot modern structure that would go around the 122-year-old Richardson Romanesque church. “Now they are applying for additional special permits.”
The project, resulting from the closing of a car wash at 2013 Massachusetts Ave., is a partnership between Cambridge-based Oaktree Development and the 325-member church, which would retain the ground floor of the condominium structure (except for a small retail space) and get an endowment described as being as high as $3 million — and vital to the maintenance of the church building and its programs.
http://www.cambridgeday.com/2011/02/15/church-condos-%E2%80%98last-app
roval%E2%80%99-draws-neighbor-opposition/
Quote:http://www.michigandaily.com/content/neighbors-prevent-church-construc
Neighbors prevent church construction
New Life Church, with its lively music and real-life stories, has experienced skyrocketing attendance since 1995, and the group has pushed to expand by building a new auditorium. However, neighborhood resistance has inhibited the construction of this auditorium.
The church has had trouble getting approval for the project from city planners.
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So when can we expect the CNN special on this prejudice against Christians?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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