Who's your Favorite Buffyverse Villain?
POSTED BY: bobknaptor
UPDATED: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 20:31
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It's been kinda quiet in here for a couple days, so I thought I'd try to stir up a little debate. 
So, who's your favorite Villain? Doesn't matter if they were the big bad or the little bad or just a monster of the week. Who floats your boat?
I used to say Spike, but since the chipping, I have a hard time thinking of him as a villain anymore, even when he mucks stuff up.
I think my all time favorite villain would probably have to be Vamp Willow, cuz with the outfit. But Sunday was great too. (anybody remember Sunday from "The Freshman"?) And the Gentlemen from "Hush" were definitely chilling.
What do you guys think?
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Look. Everyone's all afraid. It's just like old times.
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Originally posted by bobknaptor:
It's been kinda quiet in here for a couple days, so I thought I'd try to stir up a little debate.
So, who's your favorite Villain? Doesn't matter if they were the big bad or the little bad or just a monster of the week. Who floats your boat?
I used to say Spike, but since the chipping, I have a hard time thinking of him as a villain anymore, even when he mucks stuff up.
I think my all time favorite villain would probably have to be Vamp Willow, cuz with the outfit. But Sunday was great too. (anybody remember Sunday from "The Freshman"?) And the Gentlemen from "Hush" were definitely chilling.
What do you guys think?
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Look. Everyone's all afraid. It's just like old times.
Are we limited to Buffy, or can we do Angel, too?
I'll give a top three for each. :D
Buffy:
1. Mr. Trick
2. Angelus
3. Vamp Willow (yes, the outfit and the licking... good!)
Angel:
1. Holtz (damn his eyes)
2. Lilah
3. Gavin Park (sorry, but the idea of evil through bureaucracy is just too damn funny and good)
Pandora
"Mrs. Krabappel and Principal Skinner were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me." -Ralph Wiggum
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Of Course include Angel villains...
I am quite embarressed to admit it, but when it comes to Angel, I'm a Johnny Come-Lately. I've only seen a couple episodes. (Although I have a friend who has access to all 3 seasons on tape, and she is going to make copies for me, so that I can be as big an angel freak as I am a Buffy freak. hehe)
Mr. Trick! I forgot to put him in there. He was great too! Even as he died he was funny!
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Whether we're human...vampire...and whatever the hell you are, my brother. You got them spiny-looking head things. I ain't never seen that before.
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Jeez, why did it take so long for somebody to think of this topic? Very sloppy of us! Buffy has the best bad villains ever. The thing I like most about them is that they're so sincere.
In no particular order:
The Gentleman. Surely the most wickedly beautiful of all the bad guys.
Glory. People complain that she's "one-note". But that's the whole point -- if she had any real interests beyond her skanky self, she wouldn't be evil!
Spike. Yes, he's a villain. Or at least he was until he fell in love with his arch enemy. The fact that they give him all these wonderfully ironic lines, or that it's so much fun to watch JM deliver them ("I want to save the world!") is beside the point.
Dru. Madness as Poetry.
Mayor Wilkins. Vote for clean streets, civic virtue, and The Ascension!
The Master Hey, he's just trying to keep his "family" together!
Faith If only she would use her powers for good -- she'd be a lot more boring!
Willow Willow? Yes Willow! Remember, there are at least four Willows (Geek Willow, Obsessed Willow, Vamp Willow, Dark Willow). Only one of them is good!
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Wow. We haven't done this yet. Anyway, here's mine for both shows:
For Buffy:
1. Evil Spike -- I miss Evil Spike! Stupid chipped dork.
2. Mayor Wilkins -- He tells his trained killers not to swear and gives them chocolate chip cookies. What a perfect politician.
3. Dru -- She is just plain entertaining.
Tie 3. Faith -- I hated her at first. She was so pointless. And then suddenly she was fascinating.
For Angel:
1. Lindsey -- I don't care if the writers couldn't make up their mind how to make the character. He's so appealing, with his evil-lawyer cool and Texas boy style. And so cute to boot.
2. That Telekinetic Girl -- The one who drove a pole through Angel. I'm not sure she was really a villain, but she was a villain-in-making anyway.
3. Darla -- Julie Benz did such a great job as Darla. She was one of the most interesting vamps in the Buffyverse.
Hey, three original responses. Go me.
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Quote:Hello! Chipped Spike is Evil too! Why does everybody forget that?
Originally posted by CharlieBlue:
1. Evil Spike -- I miss Evil Spike! Stupid chipped dork.
Quote:Don't forget his fear of germs. Very strange in a man who's over 100 years old. What is it about the Buffy writers and phobias?
2. Mayor Wilkins -- He tells his trained killers not to swear and gives them chocolate chip cookies. What a perfect politician.
Quote:Indeed. You'll note that Juliet Landau's father, Martin Landau, played Bela Lugosi in Ed Wood. Is this the start of a family tradition?
3. Dru -- She is just plain entertaining.
Quote:I wish people wouldn't assume that they have to like characters. I remember all the critics -- especially the "family values" types -- complaining that the girl on My So Called Life was selfish and self-centered. Hello! That's the point!
Tie 3. Faith -- I hated her at first. She was so pointless. And then suddenly she was fascinating.
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Originally posted by Zicsoft:Quote:I wish people wouldn't assume that they have to like characters. I remember all the critics -- especially the "family values" types -- complaining that the girl on My So Called Life was selfish and self-centered. Hello! That's the point!
Tie 3. Faith -- I hated her at first. She was so pointless. And then suddenly she was fascinating.
Now not to jump in for Charlie here, but I'm pretty sure that what she was saying that she thought the character was pointless. I don't know for sure, but I think the context is implicit of Faith the character not fitting in properly with the rest of the show.
As far as my opinion on it goes, I didn't think much of Faith as a character, for good or for bad, until further into S3 either. I didn't dislike who Faith was, I disliked her place on the show. I think this might be what Charlie is saying, too.
Sometimes when people don't like a character, it's not because of personality attributes, but rather where they fit in the paradigm.
Could just be me, though.
Pandora
"Mrs. Krabappel and Principal Skinner were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies
and the baby looked at me." -Ralph Wiggum
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Quote:Not me. I always enjoyed the character. Maybe it's just the Dirty Old Man in me. But the contrast with Buffy is fascinating.
As far as my opinion on it goes, I didn't think much of Faith as a character, for good or for bad, until further into S3 either. I didn't dislike who Faith was, I disliked her place on the show. I think this might be what Charlie is saying, too.
Quote:I agree, but with a strong emphasis on "sometimes". It's my experience that most people reach for the remote control when a character that bugs them comes on. Look at all the complaints we get about Dawn's whininess.
Sometimes when people don't like a character, it's not because of personality attributes, but rather where they fit in the paradigm.
In fact, Dawn's another one of my favorites. But, it's true, she's a whiny brat. I love watching her on TV, but if I had Buffy over for dinner, I'd ask her to leave that irritating sister at home.
Which brings me to a related point -- I'd never have Buffy over for dinner, because as a person I don't particularly like her. Are you shocked? Here I am, a rabid fan of the show, the actress, and, yes, the character. But that doesn't mean I like the character. She's precisely the kind of whitebread middle-American, personality deficient, intellectually lazy Valley Girl I've always done my best to avoid.
But my likes and dislikes are irrelevent. It's an honest portrayal of a very real kind of person, and that is what I admire and enjoy.
I guess I'm not exactly a typical Buffy fan, huh?
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Originally posted by Zicsoft:Quote:Hello! Chipped Spike is Evil too! Why does everybody forget that?
Originally posted by CharlieBlue:
1. Evil Spike -- I miss Evil Spike! Stupid chipped dork.
Because my pet cat is more evil than that neutered puppy. He's always going on about, "I'm evil! I'll take over the world!" But when it comes down to it, he's actually thinking, "Hey, Mr. Demon, can I have my soul back so I can be even sappier than I already am?"
I agree, he was still evil at first. Like that one scene when Faith comes back and he's going to find her and tell where where everyone is--that was classic Evil Spike. But that vanished in a big hurry to make room for Spike mooning for Buffy.
Quote:Quote:Indeed. You'll note that Juliet Landau's father, Martin Landau, played Bela Lugosi in Ed Wood. Is this the start of a family tradition?
3. Dru -- She is just plain entertaining.
I think I wrote a paper for school once that talked about vampirism running in the Landau family. Got an A, if I recall.
(And in case you didn't notice when you saw it, Juliet was in that movie too.)
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I wish people wouldn't assume that they have to like characters. I remember all the critics -- especially the "family values" types -- complaining that the girl on My So Called Life was selfish and self-centered. Hello! That's the point!
Like Pandora said, it wasn't so much whether or not the character gave me warm fuzzies. It was just that she was pointless. You could've taken her off the show without losing anything, which meant she was just taking screen time away from actual plot development. Once they found something for her to do, I liked her better.
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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
Which brings me to a related point -- I'd never have Buffy over for dinner, because as a person I don't particularly like her. Are you shocked? Here I am, a rabid fan of the show, the actress, and, yes, the character. But that doesn't mean I like the character. She's precisely the kind of whitebread middle-American, personality deficient, intellectually lazy Valley Girl I've always done my best to avoid.
Actually, I'm in complete agreement with you. I like Buffy as a character because she's dynamic and layered and very very real- however, she's not a person I'd be likely to ever hang out with (though she is kinda funny). I'm a very big fan of her, and I like to watch her, but as far as characters I'd hang out with, I'd be far more likely to hang out with Willow, or Tara, or Xander, or even (especially?) Spike (if he wouldn't try to kill me) because they're not quite so... well, normal.
Although it might behoove one to have a vampire slayer as a buddy...
Pandora
"Mrs. Krabappel and Principal Skinner were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies
and the baby looked at me." -Ralph Wiggum
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