Monsters.

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HERO

Friday, October 30, 2009 12:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
As a repeat of my questions above:

"Ok, I have a few questions for the people here.

(A) Tactically, what is the best way to handle a situation like this? Lets assume 2 scenarios.

1. You are armed. Legally, can you fire arbitrarily into the crowd? Or should you try and disperse them by firing into the air? These animals are, likewise, probably armed.

1(A) What charges can you face for having a gun, loaded in California, and trying to save the girl?

2. You are unarmed. Fall back, call the police, watch with the rest? Charge in after calling the police and try and pull them off?"

3. Shoot the girl.

I note for the record that shooting the girl is not the best option...but your other two options seem almost as bad.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

MAL4PREZ

Friday, October 30, 2009 1:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
You know, its telling that a few here would rather attack me, then the animals who did this.

Actually, my first response to the posted story, which I was very seriously considering breaking my RWED silence to share, was that I'd do everything in my power to rip the balls of these bastards, even if it killed me to do it. (I have no family, I'm not afraid to die, and victimization of women really pisses me off.)

But then, dear Wulfie, you started with your "liberals love rapists" bullshit, and "Hispanics are rapists" bullshit, and you made yourself a much handier target than those monsters. You aren't anywhere near their class of evil, but you're here in front of me.

In other words: quit displaying yourself as an ass, and people will quit treating you like one.

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PIZMOBEACH

Friday, October 30, 2009 2:00 PM

Seriously - I can't believe any of you actually try and discuss with Wulf in a serious manner - don't you realize he's just dropping thread bombs and watching all you libruls dance?

Maybe it's boredom.

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WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 30, 2009 2:21 PM

"But then, dear Wulfie, you started with your "liberals love rapists" bullshit, and "Hispanics are rapists" bullshit, and you made yourself a much handier target than those monsters. You aren't anywhere near their class of evil, but you're here in front of me."

Wait a second.

I didn't say any of that.

The furthest I went was to say that it looked to me (IMHO), as if the news was already starting in with "these poor, misunderstood, children..its not their FAULT they raped a girl for 2 and 1/2 hours. Its the schools fault. Or their parents. Or the big bad system that made them this way.."

A theme I've seen far too many time to justify the worst actions of INDIVIDUALS.

I'm not going to lie and pretend that I understand why it seems that as a collective, certain political groups want to humanize monsters.

So, no. For the record, I did NOT say that "liberals love rapists". Just that, again, IMHO, it seems they are always the first to defend them. (Thinking of the Central Park fiasco, as another example.)

DREAMTROVE

Friday, October 30, 2009 2:23 PM

The manner in which wulfenstar always posts on the same two issues makes me wonder if he's a sockpuppet for someone who wants to discuss them but not be known for doing so

SIGNYM

Friday, October 30, 2009 3:32 PM

Wulf, take a deep breath and put your thinking cap on.

I (and Frem, and some others) understand that you're a product of your upbringing, including past trauma with racial groups, and that left a mark on you (PTSD for sure.) Because of that, you get a fair bit of leeway from me in your postings because I "get" that you're not entirely rational about some things. But if I were to want to prevent YOUR type of behavior, which I deem as irrational, controlling, and dangerously violence-prone, how do YOU suggest I go about doing it? According to YOU, I should smack you with severe punishment and treat you like an animal.

Now, personally, I don't think that works with most people: not you, not criminals, not anybody. There are a number of studies that show that if you want to get people the act like humans you should TREAT them as humans.

Nobody is condoning or excusing rape- which you seem to imply. Where we differ is what to do about it.

WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 30, 2009 4:06 PM

Thanks for your post, Sig.

Let me try to be clear about this.

This isn't about me, this isn't about racism, or the state of the school system.

Its about a little girl being gang-raped for 2 and 1/2 hours. While onlookers laughed or joined in.

Its about the idea that people believe the best course of action, is to call the police and then back off. NOT call the police, and then try to stop it.

Yeah, its the smart move. But how often is doing the smart thing, the same as doing the RIGHT thing.

Rarely in my opinion/experience.

An example of what some would consider a "stupid" move...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Autrey

Just because these guys are being caught, doesn't make it better.

This girl is going to spend the rest of her life with emotional scars to horrible to imagine.

As for me, I couldn't sit by (even after calling the cops and taping who was around), and let it continue. I just don't think I could live with myself afterwards.

AGENTROUKA

Friday, October 30, 2009 4:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

Its about the idea that people believe the best course of action, is to call the police and then back off. NOT call the police, and then try to stop it.

So you are saying it is wrong to not go in on a suicide mission, that the people who choose not to do so are in the wrong?

Why don't you just say that as a statement instead of implying it over and over? Then people could quote your words in whatever argument they want to make for or against your statement and you could openly reply to what they have said and this discussion could go progress toward some actual communication instead of you repeating over and over that "you couldn't live with yourself" without having the guts to outright call everyone who wouldn't act like you a coward.

SIGNYM

Friday, October 30, 2009 4:25 PM

That's you, Wulf. But then there's me: I'm a 55-year-old mother with a disabled adult daughter. I've involved myself in accidents and even in a nascent fight (once), but I'm not sure I would try to break up a group of teenage boys doing something so horrific ("wilding") that I would question their sanity and sobriety. Their reaction would be unpredictable, and if it were to go sour - which seems likely- I'd be quickly overwhelmed and no good to anybody, just another victim. I'd want to respond with overwhelming force and a tactical advantage.

AFA this being a product of the school system: balderdash! This kind of behavior happens in other circunstances, most famously with Kitty Genovese
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese

WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 30, 2009 4:26 PM

"So you are saying it is wrong to not go in on a suicide mission, that the people who choose not to do so are in the wrong?

Why don't you just say that as a statement instead of implying it over and over? Then people could quote your words in whatever argument they want to make for or against your statement and you could openly reply to what they have said and this discussion could go progress toward some actual communication instead of you repeating over and over that "you couldn't live with yourself" without having the guts to outright call everyone who wouldn't act like you a coward."

I guess I am incapable of expressing myself in a meaningful way towards this topic.

It is something I feel strongly about, but as often happens with me (on a personal level), when I get my "dander up" I loose coherence.

I did not mean to imply that calling the cops alone (which IS taking a positive action) somehow cowardly.

ETA: Sig, good catch with the "Kitty Genovese" link. That was very much on my mind.

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