Monsters.
POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
UPDATED: Wednesday, August 26, 2026 20:52
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Quote:It's clear logic:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Jeezus, of course Wulfie would take a truly horrible story, and turn it into a screed against liberals. You are such a hopeless douchebag.
Wolfenstar hates rapists.
Wolfenstar hates liberals.
Liberals are rapists.
Clear, right?
/snark. Pissed off snark. Pissed off enough to make me actually post to RWED after long away.
Douchebag indeed.
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This is not about me.
Ill repeat my questions for the 3rd time. Maybe someone can take a stab at answering them.
"(A) Tactically, what is the best way to handle a situation like this? Lets assume 2 scenarios.
1. You are armed. Legally, can you fire arbitrarily into the crowd? Or should you try and disperse them by firing into the air? These animals are, likewise, probably armed.
1(A) What charges can you face for having a gun, loaded in California, and trying to save the girl?
2. You are unarmed. Fall back, call the police, watch with the rest? Charge in after calling the police and try and pull them off?"
Does anyone know the laws on this?
What would you guys have done?
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wonder what role alcohol played
Okay. No. I get so tired of hearing that excuse from criminals and their victims. "The evil fire water made him do it." No. If we were all honest with ourselves, we would know and admit that nobody does anything when they're drunk that they don't at least consider when they're sober. The most alcohol does is maybe quieting the "Maybe I don't want to do that, maybe that would be a bad choice, maybe that would embarrass me, maybe that would get me arrested" sort of thoughts people would generally have. Plenty of people ignore that part of their thinking without needed to resort to inebriation. Being drunk has become a handy excuse people can use to get away with bringing out the worst of themselves and parading it for the world. Sometimes the worst of someone is dancing on a table, singing badly and flashing people. Sometimes the worst of someone is rape or murder. Sometimes the worst of someone is standing around doing nothing when something terrible is happening.
Did I utter the word excuse??
I didn't and I'm a bit miffed that you used my post as an excuse to start off your rant.
Alcohol does lower inhibitions. Obviously it cannot create violent intent, but it can indeed enhance the willingness to go through with it. It's a part of the context of this crime and it might be a relevant one.
An environment where minors have easy access to alcohol can be an indicator for neglect and the resulting emotional numbness or aggression that could lead to such a scene. It IS a different situation if the 10 kids who watched were seriously drunk or if they were sober, since that does affect judgment and also their own fear of possible repercussions. It makes neither situation better, so I'm not implying excuses, but it offers up context.
There's some evidence that the mass rapes that occured in Berlin and other parts of Germany by the red army at the end of WW2 were in part fuelled and made possible by alcohol that soldier drunk in order to lower their inhibitions.
So bringing up the question of alcohol has absolutely NOTHING to do with excuses and everything with trying to understand this horrible incident.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
This is not about me.
Ill repeat my questions for the 3rd time. Maybe someone can take a stab at answering them.
"(A) Tactically, what is the best way to handle a situation like this? Lets assume 2 scenarios.
1. You are armed. Legally, can you fire arbitrarily into the crowd? Or should you try and disperse them by firing into the air? These animals are, likewise, probably armed.
1(A) What charges can you face for having a gun, loaded in California, and trying to save the girl?
2. You are unarmed. Fall back, call the police, watch with the rest? Charge in after calling the police and try and pull them off?"
Does anyone know the laws on this?
What would you guys have done?
The minute you pull out a gun in this situation YOU become the criminal, despite your good intentions. The rapists will eventually be testifying against YOU in court. Even if you're Chuck Norris you cannot fight off 15 people, so you get away and call the police, that's what you do.
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"The minute you pull out a gun in this situation YOU become the criminal, despite your good intentions. The rapists will eventually be testifying against YOU in court. Even if you're Chuck Norris you cannot fight off 15 people, so you get away and call the police, that's what you do."
Ok. So you are for option 2.
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One thing I notice that you're consistent with, Wulfie - you ALWAYS make note of the race of the "animals". Why couldn't you have just described them as "gang bangers"? You just HAD to go with "hispanic gang bangers", didn't you?
I guess this shows SOME kind of growth for you - at least you didn't assume they were black, eh?
By the way, aren't you also engaging in "liberal-minded blame shifting" by blaming the victim for not being armed? When you get right down to it, aren't the people who actually raped the girl to blame?
And I realize that you think the bystanders really should have called or done something, but are you condoning charging them with a criminal act for, in essence, choosing not to get involved? Doesn't that open up a dangerous doorway, in your view? I mean, if you see someone speeding, can you be charged as an accessory if you don't turn them in?
Mind you, I think the bystanders absolutely should have jumped in or at the very least called the police. I'm just trying to figure out where you put the line between "government shouldn't get involved" and "government MUST get involved, and anybody who doesn't think so should be arrested."
And ya know how it rankles people when folks try to use things like Columbine to insist on gun control, gun bans, and the like? "One or two madmen can do so much damage..." and so on and so forth. Well, it starts to get just as old and tired to constantly hear things like "...if only she'd had a gun, this never would have happened."
Really? You yourself stated that the "gang bangers (hispanic)" were likely armed as well. Woudln't this more likely just have turned into a shootout, with more likelihood of death than rape?
As always, your reactions leave me with questions.
Mike
Let the wild rumpus start!
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"... so you get away and call the police, that's what you do."
AFTER you take pictures and video with your cell phone, of course, so you can phone them to the police.
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The solution is to educate. Properly. I'm not just talking about reading and math, I'm talking about emotional education. Fostering empathy instead of violence and hatred and disregard.
Agreed.
Simply arming people without educating them is the quickest way to up the body count. Educate them properly, and they won't even need to be armed - not that you should take away the OPTION of being armed, mind you. But as Frem so often points out, your best weapon is between your ears. Learn it, use it, live it, love it.
Mike
Let the wild rumpus start!
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"One thing I notice that you're consistent with, Wulfie - you ALWAYS make note of the race of the "animals". Why couldn't you have just described them as "gang bangers"? You just HAD to go with "hispanic gang bangers", didn't you?"
Yes. I do this because I feel that more media attention is paid to white people who commit crimes. (Duke?)
"By the way, aren't you also engaging in "liberal-minded blame shifting" by blaming the victim for not being armed?"
No, I am not. I am pointing out that the need to be armed is an absolute.
"Mind you, I think the bystanders absolutely should have jumped in or at the very least called the police. I'm just trying to figure out where you put the line between "government shouldn't get involved" and "government MUST get involved, and anybody who doesn't think so should be arrested."
Im not even close to bringing up involvement by government. My questions have been very clear and relate solely to the individual coming across this crime.
"Really? You yourself stated that the "gang bangers (hispanic)" were likely armed as well. Woudln't this more likely just have turned into a shootout, with more likelihood of death than rape?"
Well, we will never know now will we?
Let me ask you a question. Is your life so valuable, that you can sit idly by (maybe calling the police) while a little girl is gang-raped for more than 2 hours? Can you guys really live with yourselves afterwards?
I don't think I could.
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"... that you can sit idly by (maybe calling the police) ... for more than 2 hours ..."
I like the way you post that - AS IF any one of us would even hesitate calling the police. BTW - calling the police does not constitute sitting 'idly by', in that you are DOING something to end the situation
And, if the police had been called, it would not have been two hours.
Geeze Wulf - are you simple ?
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