The Assault Weapons Ban
POSTED BY: AnthonyT
UPDATED: Friday, December 5, 2008 17:22
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
He doesnt care. If the order came from on high to ignore the Constitution, hed do it.
He, like so many in law enforcement, believe that laws come from men, and "officials".
Well, that doesn't actually apply to anything I said. But I bet you feel better about yourself for getiing all self-righteous.
Fuck you, chump. You can rail at me all you like, but the opinion a scared bigot like yourself matters to me not at all.
But who, other than men, make the laws?
Go ahead, say God. I need a laugh.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Post deleted for, um...makin' poster look dumb, and s**t..
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Chris, you just mis-attributed....
(but he fixed it)
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Hello,
Storymark, first I think we need to define 'gun nut.' Then we need to define 'assault weapon.' Just so I can make sure we're on the same page.
When the stresses of life get me down, I have a ritual I perform. I put on my cowboy hat, cowboy boots, and cowboy-esque leather belt and leather holsters. I strap on my Taurus Gaucho .357 single-action, and my Heritage Manufacturing .22 single-action. I take up my plastic SKS rifle case. If I have enough .380 ammo handy, I'll even bring my Makarov. Then I'll get into my Kia Sportage, drive for about 40 minutes until I get to the Middle Of Nowhere, Arizona. Once I'm there, I'll set out some targets (like the old coke cans and bottles littering the floor of my car) or find some that some other shooter before me left laying around. Then I'll shoot the targets. When I get tired of shooting, I'll pull out the folding chair and take a nap. It's fun to take a nap in Nowhere. Just you and the dust and the mountains and rocks. When I'm done, I'll pack up my stuff and head home, usually after 4-6 hours. If I go with friends, we'll spend a lot of our time out there eating barbecued hotdogs from a portable grill and chatting. And I'm the only one of my friends who can take a nap while everyone else is shooting. It takes talent.
I love guns. Amazing tools, them. And I love shooting. I don't keep score, but I do consider it a sport. I'm a gun nut, an urban cowboy, one of those crazies who'd love to have a locker full of firearms in my house. Sometimes I'll take one out and take it apart a little, and clean it... Even when it's not dirty. There's something meditative about gun oil, I think.
Of my guns, ALL of them are based on the design of a military or police weapon. The single-action revolvers are patterned after Colt Peacemakers, which were Army revolvers. The SKS was the Soviet combat rifle prior to the massive production of the AK-47. It even has a combat bayonet attached. The Makarov was the official sidearm of the KGB, though mine is chambered in an American caliber. I don't happen to own an AK-47, which is something you'd probably call a modern assault rifle. Someday, though, I'd like to. I'd like to have a 7.62 Russian rifle that doesn't need stripper-clips. I can see me loading up a dozen mags while watching a favorite television show, and taking them out to Nowhere with me to do my shooting. That's what I do with the stripper clips, now. It's very relaxing.
Now, for some reason I can't understand, you sound as though you begrudge me these simple pleasures. I can't fathom why.
Pizmo, as for your question, a very useful function of firearms is to provide defense. Who you are defending yourself against can vary from crack addicts to power addicts. God willing, the victims of my weapons will always be 12 and 20 ounce soft-drink containers.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Bigger gun, this and that. Handgun=PDW. Sidearm. In a real fight it means almost nothing.
For real people it isn't the tiny penis syndrome seen so often with vehicles, houses, money...
Of course since Law Enforcement is so quick to react to disturbances and all...
Naturally it is sometimes people who've never been on the bad side of the gun to poo poo at logical and responsible owners and fanatics alike. I've never known a LEO who didn't support the right to BEAR arms and were in favor of people being their own best defenders. Sure they are scared of weapons, but I'm sure they also consider the implications of citizens who could not defend themselves.
After seeing this
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27989275/?omg
earlier today it brought back an old thought I had. Is this the "safety" we seek? Being watched over by soldiers with actual "Assault Weapons".
And again, that is the illusion many cling to. Wait until your group, religion, or creed pisses off the wrong people. Our history has a plethora of examples of massacre and retribution. I made referance to one and received nary a response to it. Paranoid?
Seeing as those people referenced followed a religion started a few miles from my home by people of my blood and color. Reminders to those who didn't grow up with stories of murdered children as a warning only to see such things as an adult because of the illusion of that security.
For those who cry "Paranoia" I accept that as your answer. Truth carries farther than ignorance. Until all the people who care about the truth are dead of course.
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-Loretta Lynn
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I think it's funny to watch a zealot accuse another zealot of being unreasonable.
Frankly, I prefer "gun nuts" to "for your own good" in spite of the obvious human flaws of either.
And apparently my commentary about defending all Constitutional rights was as usual, missed or ignored.
History tells the tale, if only anyone listens.
Registration - Confiscation - Obliteration.
We've seen the first two already, right here in america - do we really have to wait till we see the last to care ?
Oh, and as for "shooting at rescue workers" you *DO* know those stories were as thoroughly debunked as any other flim-flam faery tale the media has tried to sell us ?
Is it really the tool you fear, or the idea that as long as I possess it, you'll have a damn hard time forcing your will upon me... "for my own good".
Cause I truly believe it's the latter.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Hello,
Frem, you've forgotten the obvious third option.
People who don't want you to have guns are generally afraid. Afraid of what someone with a gun might do to them. You've become so focused on 'the man' and his endless desire to do stuff to you, that you've forgotten about the climate of fear bred to control those on the bottom rungs of the ladder.
They want your guns because they've been told that if you have a gun, you'll do something crazy with it, maybe even kill them.
They are afraid of you.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Anthony, I'm right there with you. Shooting doesn't fill me with blood-lust and send me on a killing frenzy; it relaxes me. There's something very calming about slowing things down, controlling your breathing, squeezing the trigger slowly, and putting five bullets into the size of a quarter at 100 yards on iron sights. It's not something you can do UNLESS you're relaxed, in fact, or at least I can't.
And for the uninitiated, maybe some of them can explain what it is, exactly, that makes a semi-automatic version of an AK-47 an "assault rifle", while a semi-automatic SKS is not. Is it the grip? The caliber? The magazine? The barrel length?
What is it exactly that people have against "assault weapons"? Is it the POSSIBILITY of what someone MIGHT do with one? Did you ever stop to ask yourself the simple questions: If I'm motivated to kill, do I need a gun to do it? Couldn't I take out just as many people with a car, a sword, a chainsaw?
And yes, all of my guns are based on, or actually ARE, military weapons. Even my Ruger P85 9mm handgun is just another variant of the Browning-designed M1911 .45 military sidearm. Then there's the AK-47 variations: a Saiga "Sporter" 7.62x39mm and a Norinco MAK-90 7.62x39mm, a hoary old bolt-action Russian Mosin-Nagant 7.62x54mm, and an Argentine-built FN/FAL .308, one of the world's best main battle rifles.
Funny thing, though - of all of them, only the handgun (which Storymark considers "acceptable") came with a magazine with a capacity over 10 rounds. The Saiga and the FAL have 10-round mags (you CAN modify the Saiga to take 30-round mags, but doing so in a careless fashion is a federal violation that can net you 10 years at Club Fed), the MAK and the Nagant have 5-rounders (internal on the Nagant). The Ruger shipped with two 15-round mags.
Only one of them has a pistol grip - the FAL. Only two of them fire full-sized rifle cartridges - the FAL and the Mosin-Nagant. The AK variants fire a shorter carbine round, and as such have a much shorter effective range.
None of them are automatic weapons. All but the bolt-action Mosin-Nagant are semi-automatic, and as such lack any capability to fire full-auto or bursts of two or three rounds with a pull of the trigger.
What I'd really like to know is which of these you'd classify as an "assault weapon", and what criteria you're basing these classifications on, other than the "evil black gun" mantra that is so often touted in the media. Why is a semi-auto AK variant with a 5- or 10-round magazine more dangerous than a semi-auto handgun with a (completely legal) 15-round magazine? Why is an AK considered more "evil" than an old bolt-action rifle with a much greater effective range and a much more powerful cartridge?
Also, can you think of any reason I couldn't go hunting with an AK-47 rather than a 30-06, if I chose to do so? I mean, other than the fact that a hunter with an AK will have to get closer, thus giving the intended target a better chance to get away.
Just a few things to ponder...
Mike
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
Frem, you've forgotten the obvious third option.
People who don't want you to have guns are generally afraid. Afraid of what someone with a gun might do to them. You've become so focused on 'the man' and his endless desire to do stuff to you, that you've forgotten about the climate of fear bred to control those on the bottom rungs of the ladder.
They want your guns because they've been told that if you have a gun, you'll do something crazy with it, maybe even kill them.
They are afraid of you.
--Anthony
I think there is quite a bit of truth in this.
If you are not part of a gun culture, your association with weapons is not sport or hobby, it's what you see in the news and the movies and that is always gun violence. Shooting at people. Efficient killing. Aggression. People feeling great affection for guns are therefor suspect. Why do they like to shoot at human-shaped targets? What if they get mad at their neighbor? Will they feel justified in finally brandishing their dangerous toys to demonstrate how "strong" they are?
(Guns are pretty much the ultimate ridiculous - the bigger the more so - phallic symbol, which doesn't help make it seem like it's not supposed to overcompensate for something not quite right.)
The image of a peaceful, responsible, competent gun owner isn't promoted a lot.
I'm a victim of this association myself.
It took me a while to recognize this instant association as wrong, and it always takes work to move beyond it when thinking about subjects like this.
Once I did, my opinions about gun control changed, as well.
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They are afraid of you.
You know what I got to say to that ?
GOOD!
Bible-nuts have historically slaughtered far and away more people than Gun-nuts, and if the former are afraid of the latter I rate that as a damned good thing, maybe it'll prevent then next genocidal slaughter in the name of love and mercy.
Yes that's a deliberate slap - but frankly if they wanna try to strip me of a Constitutional Right (to keep and bear arms) then I feel it only fair to suggest stripping them of theirs (freedom of religion and it's expression) - given that factually Christianity is a far more dangerous thing than individual firearm ownership, and all Christians should have to undergo a mandatory psychological evaluation, register with their local police and wear an RFID monitor so they can be kept track of - and should be barred from entering schools and public forums where their murderous ideas might be shared, as well as any "Christian-Free" zone that a private property owner has set up.
That's fair, isn't it ?
Doesn't taste so pleasant when it's aimed at YOU, does it now ?
I'll leave it to your own wonderings how much of that was snark and how much was serious, just to keep ya guessing.
As for exactly WHAT people carry - why does anyone care ?
Look at it this way, you don't NEED an air ratchet to get them lugnuts off, a long handled socket wrench would do just fine, but it sure makes things more convenient, yes ?
It's a goddamn tool, is all that it is - and to fear it is ludicrous.
When I am out and about, my carry piece is a downright laughable little popgun, just enough to defend myself with at close range, and my method of dealing with conflict is to avoid them or de-escalate them before they become a problem, and it's worked pretty damned well for many a year.
Of course, this is also based on the fact that while out and about I have my leg on and functional, and quick access to a vehicle.
At home, different story - look, folks, I happen to be all of 5'6" and about 130lbs soakin wet, and badly disabled besides, I don't really have the option of engaging physically or running away, and without my glasses on I can't hardly see a damn thing or very far, which discards most of the options damned fools arguing against self-defense take for granted, not to mention if cornered in my HOME, imma stand to the very last spitting breath, or I'd never be able to look at myself in the mirror again.
So hell yes, my home defense weapon is massive overkill, given the fact that I am NOT physically able, large and muscular, clear sighted or fleet of foot, not to mention gettin old besides.
And THAT is what I am compensating for, the simple fact that I am a civilized person and by no means capable of going mano-a-mano with a young, tough thug and having that be an even contest, not to mention I am not STUPID enough to give a bad guy a fair fight just because some ignorant morons ego thinks I should, hell no.
Being able to put 20 rounds of single-O buckshot down the hallway ensures that I will never *need* to, even if the perp has brought all his friends to help him intimidate me and carry away the loot, which is rare, but as damn fools do their level best to serve up their fellow man disarmed on a platter thanks to a downright idiotic belief that words on paper are some kind of magic force (kinda like their hellspawned religions), it ain't gonna be rare for long.
My weapons, and my possession of them, are expressly and wholly for the purpose of defending my life, property and rights from those who would take them from me by force, and other than keeping in practice with function, operation and safety, that is the ONLY thing they are, and ever will be, used for.
And if you have a problem with THAT - then I have a problem with YOU.
Cause it means your intentions are something other than you pretend them to be.
There's three kinds of people in the world...
There is the man who says he is out to take what is yours.
He is a businessman, and can be dealt with by demanding so
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