McCain is a bonehead.

POSTED BY: Fremdfirma
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FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:44 AM

I ain't against nuclear power per-se, long as you have a hardass like Hyman Rickover in charge of things....

But making a speech glorifying nuclear power from a site that might have been ground zero had things gone any further south is about as politically STUPID a move as possible.

McCain’s Michigan melt-down madness
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3606.shtml

You know your speech isn't going well when the crowd is looking at you like you've lost your mind, and uttering stuff like "is he serious?!" or "does he have any clue ?!" to each other.

What's next, making this speech from three mile island ? the ruins of chernobyl ?

If he doesn't have the sense to connect his speeches to the relevance of the audience, he damned sure ain't got the sense to be president.

Clinton was slime, but it was his dick that got him in trouble, not his mouth... I wonder if we could make having your tongue cut out a requirement for the presidency, cause the past eight years we'd have done much better if the damn prez would just SHUT THE FUCK UP.

And apparently McCain ain't no better, that man needs to learn when to shut the hell up, too.

Idiot.

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

KHYRON

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:16 PM

Nice, Frem, couldn't agree more!

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GEEZER

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
You know your speech isn't going well when the crowd is looking at you like you've lost your mind, and uttering stuff like "is he serious?!" or "does he have any clue ?!" to each other.

Cites please.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

KHYRON

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:29 PM

What's more difficult to believe, Geezer? That people in the crowd made those comments to each other or that they were awake during the speech? Probably the latter, since this is what McCain's audiences usually look like:

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JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:46 PM

McCain's not the greatest campaigner in the world, that's a fact. I thought his speech at the biker rally in Sturgis, SD was beyond pandering and ridiculousness, it was just plain pathetic and embarrassing. But I don't vote for a President based on how he gives speeches; I vote based on a person's track record of service to his country. Obama has been quite loyal to the Chicago radicals that put him in office in Illinois, and beyond that there is nothing else to him but fluff and blind faith.

GEEZER

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
What's more difficult to believe, Geezer? That people in the crowd made those comments to each other or that they were awake during the speech?

I'd just like to know what actually happened, not what is more convenient to your beliefs/prejudices.

Fremd is quoting editorial content, not news, and adding his own comment to it. I'd like to see him back up is assertion.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

HERO

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
If he doesn't have the sense to connect his speeches to the relevance of the audience, he damned sure ain't got the sense to be president.

Fermi was a partial meltdown in 1966. That's what we in America like to call OVER FORTY YEARS AGO.

McCain's speech supported modern nuclear power plants built with 21st Century technology. Perhaps using that location allowed McCain to draw that distinction and it was certainly relevant.

I'd suggest he give a similar speech at Three Mile Island. That plant was built in 1968, suffered a horrible accident in 1979 and has been safely generating vitally needed electricity for Central PA since 1985.

H

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:

I'd suggest he give a similar speech at Three Mile Island. That plant was built in 1968, suffered a horrible accident in 1979 and has been safely generating vitally needed electricity for Central PA since 1985.

Side note: I dated a girl from near there around that time- it wasn't generally reported, but that area had the two-headed & no-headed calf thing happening for a spell after...

Radioactive hershey bar, anyone?

isall

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:03 PM

Ok, so McCain is not the brightest bulb in the bunch. He panders to the crowd and pushes what is a Republican agenda.

Hes a politician.

Whats new?

I find myself unable to vote for either of the "big" 2.

Obama is not qualified. McCain is more of the same.

(Also, I will NOT vote for someone just because the liberals believe it will soothe their misplaced guilt and "lift" another people. Its never worked before now, and it never WILL work. I have no desire to give away the highest office in the country based on misguided feelings or "reperations".)

So whats left?

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

So whats left?

well....not voting, I guess...

isall

KHYRON

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
(Also, I will NOT vote for someone just because the liberals believe it will soothe their misplaced guilt and "lift" another people. Its never worked before now, and it never WILL work. I have no desire to give away the highest office in the country based on misguided feelings or "reperations".)

Well, by American standards, I'm a liberal, but I think any liberal who votes for Obama (and, perhaps more importantly, any liberal who expects other people to vote for Obama) just because he's black is an idiot of the highest degree. Same goes for anybody who doesn't vote for him just because he's black. Fortunately, affirmative action and feelings of guilt didn't earn him the nomination, and hopefully, if he gets elected, won't have made him president.

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WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:27 PM

Also, why is McCain focusing on nuke energy?

Solar power and wind power are cheaper and less polluting.

I can't wait for the days of electric cars....

http://www.teslamotors.com/

http://www.electriconwheels.com/

I might vote for Ron Paul, even if he can't win. Just to give him the boost in publicity so that he can be an actual contender in the next running. (Provided, of course, that the mainstream media stop pushing their agendas and let him be seen. But, at that point, pigs would be flying all over the place. What would you call bacon from a flying pig? Winged ham? Anywho, I digress...)

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
I think any liberal who votes for Obama (and, perhaps more importantly, any liberal who expects other people to vote for Obama) just because he's black is an idiot of the highest degree. Same goes for anybody who doesn't vote for him just because he's black.

Sadly, I'm just a prisoner of the "Who will f**k up us & the world less" voting mentality....so, Obama it is.

isall

KWICKO

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
McCain's not the greatest campaigner in the world, that's a fact. I thought his speech at the biker rally in Sturgis, SD was beyond pandering and ridiculousness, it was just plain pathetic and embarrassing. But I don't vote for a President based on how he gives speeches; I vote based on a person's track record of service to his country. Obama has been quite loyal to the Chicago radicals that put him in office in Illinois, and beyond that there is nothing else to him but fluff and blind faith.

I take it that you voted for Kerry in 2004, then? I mean, if you really vote based on a person't track record of service to his country, that is... Since Kerry actually served his country and went to Vietnam, and Bush hid and deserted his post.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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KWICKO

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:24 PM

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I can't wait for the days of electric cars....

http://www.teslamotors.com/

Ummm... You DO realize that electric cars are powered by batteries, right? What are you planning to do with all those batteries when they're dead? They're toxic waste, right up there with fluorescent lightbulbs - only much, much larger.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:42 PM

No, they arnt. They are lithium ion batteries. No chemical waste. You can even recycle them.

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:50 PM

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Cites please.

Eyewitness account - I was standing in the crowd, trying not to laugh.

Valid press credentials for a small independant paper can prettymuch get you into any political speech, and it's practically spitting distance from here.

I just wanted to see if he had any real "presence" personally, cause creep that he is, even shrub has a little bit of goofy good ole boy charm in person, but McCain ain't got nothin but the reek of rich old fart, pun intended.

-F

SIGNYM

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:56 PM

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Ummm... You DO realize that electric cars are powered by batteries, right? What are you planning to do with all those batteries when they're dead? They're toxic waste, right up there with fluorescent lightbulbs - only much, much larger.

Battery technology has come a long long way since lead-acid and NiCd. As far as metals go, nickel is relatively harmless (relative to lead and cadmium). NiMH (nickel metal hydride) batteries are a better choice, and lithium ion better still. But the lithium technology still has a ways to go. (Remember the laptop batteries that would burn people's laps, and the exploding phone batteries?)

Personally I think the best way to go is a battery-powered electric-motor car with a range of about 50 miles (since that is about the maximum most people drive to and fomr work each day), brake-recapture, and an on-board natural gas or even H2 generator. I think the hybrid concept (basically dual power trains) was unnecessarily complicated. Electric motors have HUGE torque and accelerate like the bejeezus.

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SICKDUDE

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:15 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Fremd is quoting editorial content, not news, and adding his own comment to it. I'd like to see him back up is assertion.

Hate to say it, but I agree with Geez on this one. The article was more of an opinion piece.

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Fermi was a partial meltdown in 1966. That's what we in America like to call OVER FORTY YEARS AGO.

McCain's speech supported modern nuclear power plants built with 21st Century technology. Perhaps using that location allowed McCain to draw that distinction and it was certainly relevant.

Since there have been no new reactors built in the last twenty or thirty years, I hardly think the technology has "progressed" much since then. I suspect a modern attempt at a covered wagon would be not as good as the originals in many ways.

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Originally posted by Hero:
I'd suggest he give a similar speech at Three Mile Island. That plant was built in 1968, suffered a horrible accident in 1979 and has been safely generating vitally needed electricity for Central PA since 1985.

Unless I'm mistaken, hasn't the actual reactor that had the problem been inactive ever since the accident? I think they've only been running the other reactors in the last thirty years.

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HERO

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Radioactive hershey bar, anyone?

I grew up in Mechanicburg and you could see the steam from my house on a clear day...that was in the '80s.

I note for the record that Hershey was in the other direction (upwind). Real close to Harrisburg International Airport.

H

HERO

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:33 PM

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Originally posted by Sickdude:
Unless I'm mistaken, hasn't the actual reactor that had the problem been inactive ever since the accident? I think they've only been running the other reactors in the last thirty years.

TMI-2, the broken one, has had its core removed and been sealed in various stages of cleanup since the 1979 accident.

TMI-1, the not broken one, was restarted in 1985 and that reactor has been going strong ever since.

The model of plant is still in general use, howver between 51 plants of that model were cancelled in various stages of construction between 1980 and '84. TMI will lose its operator's license in 2014 and there is presently nothing that is available to fill the gap.

H

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:37 PM

Sickdude, I've found from living here that Michiganders as a whole, in spite of being more a blue state, are a fairly conservative bunch and tend to hold a grudge about serious screwups like that - especially since the UAW, which holds this state in claws of iron, didn't want the damn thing here to begin with.

Ergo, the locals ANYWHERE near Detroit would be kind of iffy about something like this, you'd have to go much further north if you wanted to get any interest in a proposal of this nature, and to give such a speech right where it nearly went south would evidence a total ignorance of just how LONG your typical Michigander can hold a grudge like that.

It's not that it takes us a thiry years to make up our minds, it's that we're so fuckin stubborn it takes fifty to change our opinion.

That's not always a benefit, of course, given the auto industries reluctance to produce small high efficiency cars, but it's the nature of people here to poke skeptically at something for many years before accepting it, and once burned, regard it with skepticism forever.

It was a really bad idea politically for him to make that speech there, and he shoulda known that, doesn't he have flunkies supposed to tell him shit like this ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

KWICKO

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

...doesn't he have flunkies supposed to tell him shit like this ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

Nope - they're busy trying to explain to him all those troubles on the Iraq-Pakistan border. You know, the ones Al Qaeda is causing after being trained by the Iranians.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia

WHOZIT

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:17 PM

You're rite, we do'nt need any more Nuke Plants. As Barry Obama (B.O.) said, all we have to do to save energy is to keep our tires inflated, and stick to a diet high in fiber.

KWICKO

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:35 PM

Guess you must've missed it when your boy McSame came out and said that Obama was right. See, McLame was against Obama's plan before he was for it.

Flippin'andfloppin'isall

AURAPTOR

Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:44 AM

He's going to be the President, regardless.

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GEEZER

Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Eyewitness account - I was standing in the crowd, trying not to laugh.

Okay. Thought you were pretty much a Charm City guy. Didn't know you roamed so far afield. Since back when I was working with NORML I've noticed that pretty much everyone at a non-scripted political event has that WTF look a good bit of the time. Only when you get the true believers to pack the crowd do you get nothing but nods and smiles.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:12 AM

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I've noticed that pretty much everyone at a non-scripted political event has that WTF look a good bit of the time.

Too bloody true, normal folk tend to wonder what planet these guys are from when they start talking... but man, you could FEEL the reaction come on, it was like someone shilling for the beef industry at a vegetarian convention, nobody walked out, but you could feel the suppressed hostility.

As for the other, I work mostly in Detroit, down around cass, or over in the county in some of the rougher neighborhoods cause I can relate to those folk in a way that keeps me from putting up the victim flag, so when you need a driver to pick up down there I get top choice on the list.

I am originally from Baltimore, the nasty little region known to BCPD as "Barrytown" or Crooklyn amongst the locals - it's not a real nice place, and polluted as hell besides due to NIMBY* and all the chem plants, landfills and incinerators being just upwind of the place.

And then by some stroke of fortune wind up living in some podunk burg you can literally spit across between Detroit and Ann Arbor, where three vandalisms constitutes a "crime wave", meh.

Worse, having taken an effective stand against local corruption, am on the ballot as a replacement city council member in our impending recall election cause enough locals PUT me there without so much as askin me, cause they couldn't think of a better roadblock against corruption and ambition...
(I'll note they filed me as an Independant, hehe)

I am highly amused by this, I mean, how crackpot does your city council have to be when the locals are attempting to elect a downright Anarchist to it ?

This is gonna be... interesting.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

KWICKO

Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:26 AM

Quote:

I am highly amused by this, I mean, how crackpot does your city council have to be when the locals are attempting to elect a downright Anarchist to it ?

This is gonna be... interesting.

It sounds to me like they drafted EXACTLY the right person for the job - one who doesn't want it, CAN do it better than anyone they've got currently, and isn't beholden to anyone but his own clear conscience. I hope you win, and I hope you do an amazing job at it.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia

CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
enough locals PUT me there without so much as askin me, cause they couldn't think of a better roadblock against corruption and ambition...

Congrats on the confidence peeps have in you, Frem.

I'd vote for yaisall

HOSTILE17NOW

Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:09 AM

When thay torchered him, thay might have knocked a few screws loose!.........

a great evil once said: stay the course

(F#@k that)!..

I hate being a blue man in a very red state..

ALLIETHORN7

Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by hostile17Now:
When thay torchered him, thay might have knocked a few screws loose!.........

a great evil once said: stay the course

(F#@k that)!..

I hate being a blue man in a very red state..

You're just realizing that? I thought it's been a bit obvious since... the eighties?

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MALBADINLATIN

Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:36 AM

It's 3:00am, some night in September 1979...the phone rings, and it's John McCains' wife on the phone, should he climb off of Cindy to answer it, or call her back when he's finished?

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:44 AM

Mikey, alas that it's prettymuch a no-contest, due to our pathetically small population and stupid set of local election rules, if enough people sign me onto the ballot, I'd still win if only three quarters of em even show up.

Considering their latest demand for a blank check..
(this time a seven million dollar bond sale for a project estimated at $600,000.00 USD)
And the fact that they mounted a ludicrous propaganda campaign that pissed off EVERY merchant in town, actually turned the locals against them and then lied, got caught lying, blew $128,000.00 on two F-150's and a Copy Machine, and then levelled threats and accusations at the populace when we forced a vote and crushed it 85-11-4%
(no-yes-didn't show up)

And this on the heels of me pulling out a crushing speech which shot down the "let's build a new school in someone elses district with my cousins contracting company" game, and then the forcible eviction of walter and secretary for graft and corruption, the credit card swindle, and the merciless beatdown over lost wages due to being forced under threat to repeatedly shovel the walks when I was in NO condition to do so...
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=31882

The locals tagged onto the fact that I scare the everlivin crap out of these folk, and they wish to deploy that weapon at point blank range, as if living across the street from their meeting place weren't bad enough ?

So, if they got enough signatures to toss me on the ballot, they got MORE than enough to elect me, the only sticky point is that I initially refused to do this, but nowhere in our election rules does it seem to require the consent of the party in question, so they went ahead and did it anyway.

One of the merchants who is more or less the default leader of this rush, put it to me this way last week, in that this is a bunch of individual people from the town asking me to do this, as individuals - rather than an organised political party out for it's own gain, which is pretty much true given how small this place is.

Essentially my whole purpose is to dump sand in the gears every time these jerks get greedy or ambitious on us, and believe me, I can DO that, none better - if naught else I can just sit in my front yard grinning at them while denying them a quorum, not to mention these berks are sorely incompetent at anything underhanded, being pampered little sububria rugrats locking horns with an elevated ghetto thug.

It does help that I have deliberately cultivated the perception amongst them and their flunkies that I am perhaps a bit unhinged...

I think the underlying plan here, at least on the merchants side of things, is to scare the remainder of these berks right out of town, which is fine by me, but they'd best have some replacements which can actually DO the job, cause I ain't qualified or interested if I were.

Crackpot politics at it's finest, I tellya.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

KHYRON

Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:17 AM

McCain: "In the 21st century, nations don't invade other nations."

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SICKDUDE

Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:11 PM

Thanks for confirming, Hero.

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Sickdude, I've found from living here that Michiganders as a whole, in spite of being more a blue state, are a fairly conservative bunch and tend to hold a grudge about serious screwups like that - especially since the UAW, which holds this state in claws of iron, didn't want the damn thing here to begin with.

Ergo, the locals ANYWHERE near Detroit would be kind of iffy about something like this, you'd have to go much further north if you wanted to get any interest in a proposal of this nature, and to give such a speech right where it nearly went south would evidence a total ignorance of just how LONG your typical Michigander can hold a grudge like that.

It was a really bad idea politically for him to make that speech there, and he shoulda known that, doesn't he have flunkies supposed to tell him shit like this ?

Oh, "I'm not disagreein' with any particular point, sir..."

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
He's going to be the President, regardless.

AU, you're right! And thank God. With Obama as president, for once we got a pretty good chance at a really good eight years.

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KWICKO

Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
He's going to be the President, regardless.

I know - Obama's going to be the President, regardless.

Did you all see where Cindy McLame got snapped in half like a twig? Apparently, someone tried to shake her hand, and her feeble old bones just couldn't take the crushing force of an ordinary handshake. Now she's gimping about with her arm in a sling.

You should know better than to try to shake hands with the Ice Queen. Maybe a "terrorist fist-bump" would have been more appropos...

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia

ERIC

Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Did you all see where Cindy McLame got snapped in half like a twig? Apparently, someone tried to shake her hand, and her feeble old bones just couldn't take the crushing force of an ordinary handshake. Now she's gimping about with her arm in a sling.

She better watch out her hubby doesn't leave his injured wife for someone younger and richer- again.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
You're rite, we do'nt need any more Nuke Plants. As Barry Obama (B.O.) said, all we have to do to save energy is to keep our tires inflated, and stick to a diet high in fiber.

Did you forget that he wants us to speak Spanish too? And I expect that he'll also tell us all to stop giving Birthday and Christmas presents to our kids, because he and the wife don't believe in that. I'm sure their kids understand and don't care much, especially when all their friends talk about their presents. You know I frequently check my tire pressure, not for gas mileage but for safety. I checked it Sunday, but still had to pay $ 3.88 for gas on Monday. If only Bill Clinton hadn't vetoed the ANWR drilling law that Congress passed 10 years ago; we'd have all the sweet black gold we need now. I guess we'll just have to live with $4 gas, but we can take much comfort in the fact that there have been 17 new caribou births across the 17 million square miles of ANWR.

RUE

Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:25 PM

Ah, the usual swill of tripe from Jong.

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JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:39 PM

Rue...You mean the usual intellectual dishonesty from the board's own uptight self-rightous piece of shit, you? Every word of my post is the TRUTH, except maybe the caribou birth count....so technically that makes my entire post a swill of tripe. You are so hopelessly pathetic there aren't even words for it. Too bad you can't deal with the TRUTH.

RUE

Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:46 PM

Except Obama said that it's good to be bilingual; and your notion that he's going to tell everyone not to give presents is just plain STOOOPID (and not an actual fact, which I thought I'd point out if you can't tell the difference); and if we had ANWR oil today it would account for about 3% of total US consumption, and might possibly save $0.13 a gallon - whereas if the dollar hadn't been devalued by dubya's policies we'd be saving $1.50 per gallon.

So, yeah, there are more than a few places where the facts and your posts don't meet up.
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JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Except Obama said that it's good to be bilingual; and your notion that he's going to tell everyone not to give presents is just plain STOOOPID (and not an actual fact, which I thought I'd point out if you can't tell the difference); and if we had ANWR oil today it would account for about 3% of total US consumption, and might possibly save $0.13 a gallon - whereas if the dollar hadn't been devalued by dubya's policies we'd be saving $1.50 per gallon.

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Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice.

He said a lot more than simply it's good to be bilingual. He made it sound like you can't succeed without it. Us simple folk who cling to our Bible & Guns during tough times often can't wade through the layers of elitist non-sense as easily as you obtuse pinheads can. Real sorry about that. And tell me, what kind of parents, really, what kind of parent don't give their little children presents? Hmmmm? Real demented ones, that's who. I guess they're bringing these kids up to hate everything just like they were educated to hate everything, & gravitate towards the Farrakhans & Wrights of the world. And ANWR would have been producing 2-3 million barrels a day now for us. That would translate into a huge savings, and free us considerably from foreign oil. Your numbers are absurd, and likely taken from the Daily KOS, which is really where your posts belong. Conversation over.

KHYRON

Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:54 PM

By 2050, Hispanics will make up around 30% of the US population ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7559996.stm), so I don't see how it wouldn't be beneficial if people were also able to speak some Spanish, seeing as almost a third of the population will probably be native Spanish speakers. The "This is 'Merikuh, and in 'Merikuh we speak 'Merikan" attitude won't help you for much longer.

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
You know I frequently check my tire pressure, not for gas mileage but for safety. I checked it Sunday, but still had to pay $ 3.88 for gas on Monday.

Bush and McCain are for off-shore drilling, and the price was still $3.88 on Monday. Just like Obama, McCain thinks inflating one's tires is a good idea, and the price was still $3.88 on Monday.

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WHOZIT

Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
It's 3:00am, some night in September 1979...the phone rings, and it's John McCains' wife on the phone, should he climb off of Cindy to answer it, or call her back when he's finished?

It's 3:00 a.m. August 2008, the phone rings. Barry Obama is woken on vacation, The Russians are attacking Georgia he's told. He says, have they made as far as Atlanta yet?

KWICKO

Friday, August 15, 2008 1:42 AM

...And McLame is still trying to figure out why the Soviet Union would attack itself!

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia

KWICKO

Friday, August 15, 2008 1:49 AM

Quote:
If only Bill Clinton hadn't vetoed the ANWR drilling law that Congress passed 10 years ago; we'd have all the sweet black gold we need now.

Actually, you're full of shit on two points in just that one sentence.

1) Clinton didn't veto "the ANWR drilling law" - he vetoed a BILL - it's not a law until the President signs it into law, or until Congress overrides his veto within the same congressional session. They didn't, and he didn't - so it was never a "law".

2) IF we'd started drilling in ANWR ten years ago, it would not have brought us "all the sweet black gold we need now." The point is, nobody knows for sure IF there's oil under the ANWR, or how much there might be, but it's pretty safely assumed it's not "all we need".

When Dubya took office, oil was around $33 a barrel. It's now around $114 a barrel, down from a high a few weeks ago of $147 per barrel. This has less to do with supply than with Dubya's policies resulting in a rampant devaluation of the dollar.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia

GEEZER

Friday, August 15, 2008 2:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Did you all see where Cindy McLame got snapped in half like a twig? Apparently, someone tried to shake her hand, and her feeble old bones just couldn't take the crushing force of an ordinary handshake. Now she's gimping about with her arm in a sling.

Interesting that you feel no qualms about mocking and insulting someone you know pretty much nothing about. I've noticed that this is pretty much standard for the left/liberals on this forum. There's you, and then there's the "other", who can be ignored or mistreated because if they're not you, they are expendable.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

KWICKO

Friday, August 15, 2008 3:05 AM

Oops - wrong room!

KWICKO

Friday, August 15, 2008 3:21 AM

Quote:

Interesting that you feel no qualms about mocking and insulting someone you know pretty much nothing about. I've noticed that this is pretty much standard for the left/liberals on this forum. There's you, and then there's the "other", who can be ignored or mistreated because if they're not you, they are expendable.

And by saying "this is pretty much standard for the left", aren't you both mocking and insulting people you pretty much know nothing about? Doesn't that lump all of "them" into that "other" category you find expendable?

KWICKO

Friday, August 15, 2008 3:24 AM

Sniper. Move on. This is not the reply you're looking for.

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, August 15, 2008 11:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
It's 3:00 a.m. August 2008, the phone rings. Barry Obama is woken on vacation, The Russians are attacking Georgia he's told. He says, have they made as far as Atlanta yet?

Obama said the UN Security Council should vote on resoultion condemning Russia. I guess he doesn't know that Russia is a permanent member of the council, so there will never be any resolution passed. Perhaps he should have called Hillary at 3 am to get a basic understanding. Georgia & Ukraine have wanted to join NATO for years and America has tried to make it happen, but the Europeans have blocked it for fear of pissing off Russia. Now the ball's in their court, 'cause KGB Putee aint stoppin' with Georgia. He wants to get back to the USSR.

GEEZER

Friday, August 15, 2008 12:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
And by saying "this is pretty much standard for the left", aren't you both mocking and insulting people you pretty much know nothing about?

Interesting how you dropped the critical qualifying phrase when quoting me. That's "...the left/liberals on this forum", not a sweeping generalization. If some folk here, who I interact with on a regular basis, are doing something and I note it; first, it's not mocking or demeaning, just observation; second, it is people I know something about, at least in the area of online behavior.

I kind'a wonder if it has anything to do with the general Liberal concept of subjugation of the individual for the good of the group. If (editorial)you don't hold the individual in any esteem, then you don't care about anyone's individual dignity. Therefore it's all right to insult them.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, August 15, 2008 12:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
You know I frequently check my tire pressure, not for gas mileage but for safety. I checked it Sunday, but still had to pay $ 3.88 for gas on Monday.

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Bush and McCain are for off-shore drilling, and the price was still $3.88 on Monday. Just like Obama, McCain thinks inflating one's tires is a good idea, and the price was still $3.88 on Monday.

I do the tire pressure thing & get engine tune-ups like most Americans do. The offshore thing is NOT being done because Dems continue to block it. So one is being done, and one is not. See the difference? Also, why does Obama assume people don't already do these things? Another one of his Wright-inspired hate-America beliefs perhaps? Is Farrakhan-adoring Obama assuming that Americans don't take care of their cars? Is it because we're too busy clinging to our Bibles and our guns? Is his next energy plan going to be to tell us to only run our air conditioners half as long at half the coolness intensity? Or only use the stove on alternate days? Limit the # of toilet flushes per household too? How about cold showers? He's just chock full of surprises.

KHYRON

Friday, August 15, 2008 1:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I do the tire pressure thing & get engine tune-ups like most Americans do.

How do you know that most Americans do it? It applies to you so it applies to everyone else by extension? Maybe you personally know "most Americans", but the AAA seems to differ with you on this: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb6403/is_200710/ai_n25606190. Just an abstract of the article, but you get the point.

And from this: http://seniorjournal.com/NEWS/Alerts/6-04-24-CheckingAutoTire.htm
we get this: "Only 19 percent of drivers properly check their tire inflation pressure."

And you're obviously just trying to provoke the "liberals" on this board with the rest of your post, and responding to such nonsense can be fun sometimes, but I'm just not in the mood to play today.

By the way, not only does McCain agree with Obama, so do Crist and Schwarzenegger ( http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-me-arnold27-2008jun27,0,195463
4.story). So you're here bitching about politicians on the left saying Americans should check their tire pressure, when politicians on your side are saying the same thing. My little liberal brain can't comprehend this, what seems to be, double-standard.

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HERO

Friday, August 15, 2008 1:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Perhaps he should have called Hillary at 3 am to get a basic understanding.

I would not want to talk to Hillary at 3am for advice. We've seen her in the daytime...do you really want to risk talking to her when she's sleepy and irritable.

If its 3am and I have to call somebody and I could only pick one person in the whole country to get advice from on this particular issue...it'd be either Condi or John McCain. Both know the players, the region, the terrain, the time and distance factors, the military capabilities, and the economic and political interests of all the interested parties to a Russia-Georgia conflict. Condi is the technical expert, McCain is the guy with more hands on "I know them, I've been there" experiance. Best case is we elect McCain and give him a phone line to Condi.

H

CHRISISALL

Friday, August 15, 2008 1:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
If (editorial) you don't hold the individual in any esteem, then you don't care about anyone's individual dignity. Therefore it's all right to insult {you}.

I would accept that as an axiom.

isall

KHYRON

Friday, August 15, 2008 1:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Condi or John McCain. Both know the players, the region, the terrain, the time and distance factors, the military capabilities, and the economic and political interests of all the interested parties to a Russia-Georgia conflict.

Well, Condi I can understand, since that region and its 20th century history is her area of expertise, but McCain? Seriously? After all of his gaffes when it comes to geography, and everything else, frankly, you'd still think he's one of the top two people to turn to with respect to this? There's no way he's shown any qualification or expertise to be able to warrant such a vote of confidence from you.

Unless you were referring to this: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080813/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_lobbyist

Yes yes, seems like Johnny boy's foreign policy advisor was a lobbyist from Georgia. So maybe you're right and McCain is an expert on Georgia after all. But in this case, something tells me he wouldn't be very impartial. And therefore, not qualified!

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KWICKO

Friday, August 15, 2008 5:07 PM

Standard right-winge response:

"But McSame's a war hero! Therefore he knows EVERYTHING there is to know about Russia-Georgian relations!"

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, August 15, 2008 6:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
I would not want to talk to Hillary at 3am for advice. We've seen her in the daytime...do you really want to risk talking to her when she's sleepy and irritable.

Well not really...but...to be honest over the last year or so I've developed a bit of an infatuation with her. Have you ever hated something so much for a long time and then had it all turned around? I think it's just deep admiration for the strength and determination of this woman. During the Primaries I used to think about all those lonely nights for her in hotel rooms, waking up alone, and maybe thinking to herself what the fuck am I doing? She would go out every day, all made up and looking good and fight the good fight. I found that highly admirable, and I find now that I like her more and more.

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, August 15, 2008 7:24 PM

Quote:
I would not want to talk to Hillary at 3am for advice. We've seen her in the daytime...do you really want to risk talking to her when she's sleepy and irritable.

Pure win, that.

Funniest thing I've heard all day.

-F

CHRISISALL

Friday, August 15, 2008 7:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Hillary at 3 am

do you really want to risk talking to her when she's sleepy and irritable.

Count me outisall

HERO

Friday, August 15, 2008 8:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
but McCain? Seriously? After all of his gaffes when it comes to geography, and everything else, frankly, you'd still think he's one of the top two people to turn to with respect to this?

While Condi is the technical expert, McCain has quietly taken the lead on recent US-Georgia relations.

He has made a number of side trips there during his frequent forays into the Middle East. He is personal friends with the Georgian President. So yes, I'd consider his opinion on the ability and willingness of Georgia to repel the invasion or what would be an acceptable compromise.

A member of his current staff was a paid lobbyist for Georgia. Its likely among that which drew him to McCain's staff...ie they share a common knowledge and interest in that region.

To be fair, McCain has been heavily involved in post-Soviet relationships with Eastern Europe and former Soviet republics.

H

WHOZIT

Friday, August 15, 2008 10:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Hillary at 3 am

do you really want to risk talking to her when she's sleepy and irritable.

Count me outisall

Kitty

WHOZIT

Friday, August 15, 2008 10:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
It's 3:00 a.m. August 2008, the phone rings. Barry Obama is woken on vacation, The Russians are attacking Georgia he's told. He says, have they made as far as Atlanta yet?

Obama said the UN Security Council should vote on resoultion condemning Russia. I guess he doesn't know that Russia is a permanent member of the council, so there will never be any resolution passed. Perhaps he should have called Hillary at 3 am to get a basic understanding. Georgia & Ukraine have wanted to join NATO for years and America has tried to make it happen, but the Europeans have blocked it for fear of pissing off Russia. Now the ball's in their court, 'cause KGB Putee aint stoppin' with Georgia. He wants to get back to the USSR.

It's 3:00 a.m 2009, B.O. is alone in the white house, his wife and kids are at a U.S. flag burning in Cuba. B.O. lays in bed masterbating and thinking of George Clooney. The phone rings, is Sec, of State Clooney. I was thinking of you say's B.O. I have bad news says Clooney, Vice President Clinton has a yeast infection, and has joined with Republicans to impeach you.............to be continued.....maybe

CHRISISALL

Friday, August 15, 2008 11:04 PM

Shut up, Whozit.

RIVERLOVE

Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:48 AM

Who's zit, jeeesh, don't ya think your pearls of wisdom are perhaps just a tad over the line; lacking even a smattering of good taste and maturity?

CHRISISALL

Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Who's zit, jeeesh, don't ya think your pearls of wisdom are perhaps just a tad over the line; lacking even a smattering of good taste and maturity?

River, he won't understand all that- just tell him to shut up, works better IMO.

BadChrisisall

RIVERLOVE

Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Who's zit, jeeesh, don't ya think your pearls of wisdom are perhaps just a tad over the line; lacking even a smattering of good taste and maturity?
River, he won't understand all that- just tell him to shut up, works better IMO.

You're probably right Chris. Any of us can "go negative" about anything or anybody on this board, but I believe it's better to keep things out of the gutter and reasonably rational. This chap is like PN, except without the stinging quarter-truths and funny pictures.

CHRISISALL

Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:40 PM

Yes, I see your point.

Cisall

WHOZIT

Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Who's zit, jeeesh, don't ya think your pearls of wisdom are perhaps just a tad over the line; lacking even a smattering of good taste and maturity?
River, he won't understand all that- just tell him to shut up, works better IMO.

You're probably right Chris. Any of us can "go negative" about anything or anybody on this board, but I believe it's better to keep things out of the gutter and reasonably rational. This chap is like PN, except without the stinging quarter-truths and funny pictures.

Going negative is fun.

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:20 PM

Who's zit, jeeesh, don't ya think your pearls of wisdom are perhaps just a tad over the line; lacking even a smattering of good taste and maturity?- River

River, he won't understand all that- just tell him to shut up, works better IMO-Chris

The BEST response to an out-and-out troll is simply to ignore them. They feed on your negative energy, they long for your irate response. Nothing makes 'em go away like no response at all. I know it's tough, but you... you're better and more mature than a troll, and you can withstand a troll's manipulations. Right?

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SIGNYM

Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:35 PM

HERO... I thought you should know...

Quote:
The fact is that most people in South Oessetia see themselves as Russians- not Georgians- and have done so for the past 150 years. But in addition, there are maneuverings going on behind the scenes, just as there were before.

So, hell, if you can't have a REAL war because the military is stretched thin, how about cooking up an event? Just prod the Georgian President, give him an endless string of promises and utterances of support, point him in the direction of the Russian bear and tell him to go poke it in the snoot. Then backpeddle away from doing anything real while using it as a backdrop for your campaign.

I just hope that McCain doesn't get his publicity stunt confused with reality, like Bush did.

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It turns out that McCains chief foreign policy advisor, Randy Scheunemann, is not only Georgia's chief Washington lobbyist, he's also a Rumsfeld devotee, a neocon, a member of PNAC, and was ONE of the instigators of the invasion of Iraq

QUOTE: One of the most successful neocon groups was the U.S. Committee on NATO, directed by Bruce Jackson. Other board members included Randy Scheunemann, Julie Finley, and Gary Schmitt, who like Jackson have been tangled with three other organizations: the Project on Transitional Democracies, the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, and the Project for the New American Century. Both the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq and the Project on Transitional Democracies were PNAC spin-offs.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/barry-tom3.html

(This was written in 2004, so it's not new news or a convenient rewrite of history. All I did was google: Randy Scheunemann + PNAC.

So the McCain campaign is just another cover for the same neocons as before. It's beginning to look as if the necon strategy is to pick an easily manipulated idiot and ride him into the White House. Four more years... indeed!

Originally posted here www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=34477
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

WHOZIT

Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Who's zit, jeeesh, don't ya think your pearls of wisdom are perhaps just a tad over the line; lacking even a smattering of good taste and maturity?- River

River, he won't understand all that- just tell him to shut up, works better IMO-Chris

The BEST response to an out-and-out troll is simply to ignore them. They feed on your negative energy, they long for your irate response. Nothing makes 'em go away like no response at all. I know it's tough, but you... you're better and more mature than a troll, and you can withstand a troll's manipulations. Right?

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

Obama likes to eat human brains.

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:43 PM

Chrisisall: quod erat demonstrandum ("that which was to be demonstrated").

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

CHRISISALL

Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Chrisisall: quod erat demonstrandum ("that which was to be demonstrated").

Message received and understood.

Chrisisall out.