Anger about Tara's death

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BOBKNAPTOR

Monday, July 8, 2002 8:58 PM

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Originally posted by kookytree:
Gunn hasnt been killed off (betcha now he is, just to spite me lol). Neither has the Host (though admittedly his sexuality has never been disclosed). And am I the only one who thinks Andrew the nerd is a touch West Hollywood? And the minority characters who were killed off were not done so in a way which was exploitative or mocking to minorities (okay, maybe Tara, but that was for shock value). Wasnt Cordy originally supposed to be black?

Actually, Marti Noxon said on the DVD for S2 that the actress who played Kendra originally auditioned to play Cordelia.

As for Andrew, oh my gosh! He is on fire, and was So very in love with Warren (poor misguided boy to love an ass like Warren). My Tuesday night Buffy Buddies and I have commented throughout all of S6 that Andrew was "Family", but he really came out in Two to Go when he is talking about Warren's betrayal. He said something like "He never really loved.... (catching himself) hanging out with us."

My biggest fear is that they will put Willow with a guy in the next season, thus reinforcing the "experimental college phase" theory. Although, if they put her with a woman just because they want to keep her gay, that doesn't really sit well with me either. I think she needs to be single for a season. Maybe have a few dates, but be single. She hasn't been on her own since she got together with Oz in S2. Come to think of it, they haven't really had ANY character casually dating since Buffy's little tryst in "Harsh Light of Day". (Not a vote for promiscuity, just a vote to get off the serial monogamy kick.)

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So what I'm wondering is: does this always happen? Sleep with a guy and he goes all evil?

ZICSOFT

Monday, July 8, 2002 11:01 PM

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I think she needs to be single for a season. Maybe have a few dates, but be single.

Aaak! She saw her lover violently killed! It's gonna be a long time before she's in a romantic mood again.

And there are practical issues. I don't know about you, but I don't think I'd want to date a woman who recently tried to destroy the world!

Season 7 has some promising possibilities. Spike-with-a-soul should be interesting, not to mention Dawn (about to turn 16, meaning we've sort of come full circle). But Willow, who used to be my favorite character, makes me cringe. What's her role supposed to be? She can't do magic anymore, and the computer geek girl thing is pretty worn out. When the "Dead Scoobie" rumors appeared, I was sure it was here, because her role seemed to be played out. Maybe she's supposed to spend S7 taking I'm An Ordinary Person lessons from Xander. Not a happy thought.

NOVAGRASS

Monday, July 8, 2002 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
But Willow, who used to be my favorite character, makes me cringe. What's her role supposed to be? She can't do magic anymore, and the computer geek girl thing is pretty worn out. When the "Dead Scoobie" rumors appeared, I was sure it was here, because her role seemed to be played out. Maybe she's supposed to spend S7 taking I'm An Ordinary Person lessons from Xander. Not a happy thought.

I agree. There seems to be no place for Willow (unless it's the brooding, sulking broken heart girl... but I expect that position to be taken by Spike). I'm thinking there *has* to be a reason for her to be in England with Giles. Why spend all of the money and time flying overseas unless they have something big planned. I've had a few thoughts...

A.) Willow is learning "good" magic from the coven. This would keep her in at least *some* position to continue without being a normal person.
B.) She's with Giles training to be a watcher. The whole watcher thing is kind of a stupid idea... but it sort of makes sense. 1. Giles had similar magic troubles in his past, to which he may relate. 2. It's been alluded to that the title of watcher is hereditary. Since Giles has no genetic child, it would be logical that he would give the title to another "child" to whom he is close. 3. Giles won't be there all season, and they need a watcher-esque figure for the series to be "Buffy: Year One."
C.) Willow is killed. There're contracts blah blah blah... but red herrings could have been thrown to keep us off track.

It's been a while since I've done a rampant speculation post... so... here it is.

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BOBKNAPTOR

Monday, July 8, 2002 11:45 PM

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Originally posted by Novagrass:

I agree. There seems to be no place for Willow (unless it's the brooding, sulking broken heart girl... but I expect that position to be taken by Spike).

hehehehe. Nova, you rock, again. I'll just send you kisses all day

I am hoping for a good magic Willow. But would settle for a decent Watcher Willow story. Willow has been my favorite character too. And I worry about her future in the Buffyverse.

But at the same time, I am madly in love with Alyson Hannigan and hope happy good things for her career. I'm looking forward to some non-American Pie movies.

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Wrong? Why? How did you play doctor?

NOVAGRASS

Tuesday, July 9, 2002 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by bobknaptor:

hehehehe. Nova, you rock, again. I'll just send you kisses all day

Aww shucks

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ZICSOFT

Tuesday, July 9, 2002 1:51 AM

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There seems to be no place for Willow (unless it's the brooding, sulking broken heart girl... but I expect that position to be taken by Spike).

You forget what getting your soul back does. You get all guilt-ridden about all the evil things you've done.

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A.) Willow is learning "good" magic from the coven. This would keep her in at least *some* position to continue without being a normal person.

Doesn't work. For Willow magic is a drug, even good magic. An idea I think we all hate, but there's now no getting rid of it.

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She's with Giles training to be a watcher. The whole watcher thing is kind of a stupid idea... but it sort of makes sense.

I think the watchers were always supposed to be nitwits. If I understand the original pre-Donald-Sutherland story, it was their bumbling that got Buffy in her initial mess, becoming the Slayer without even knowing it. On the TV show, their main purpose has always been to be made fun of -- even Giles, before he broke with the Council. And in Fray, they're portrayed as complete psychos. ("Maybe he was cold.")

I can picture Willow as a Watcher, but only if the Council gets taken over by people aren't classical BUCT (British Upper-Class Twits). Not in the official game plan, I think.

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Willow is killed. There're contracts blah blah blah... but red herrings...

Yeah, they can always kill people off. Or write her out some other way. But they won't. She's a "star", so her fate isn't dictated by anybody's desire to tell a good story. AH is a key part of the franchise. The suits will not tolerate her character getting killed.

You'll notice that, with one exception, none of the opening-credits characters has ever been killed. (The one exception, Amber Benson, sort of proves the rule!) I'm told that Joss wanted Eric Balfour (Jesse, Xander's buddy in the first episode) to be in the opening credits so people would be shocked when he got killed right off the bat. They wouldn't let him do it.

This is why I keep complaining that the "learn to love them, but they're gonna die anyway" gimmick has turned into a cliche. It was shocking and suprising at first, but now it's as predictable as those ill-fated redsuits on Star Trek.

NOVAGRASS

Tuesday, July 9, 2002 5:00 AM

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
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There seems to be no place for Willow (unless it's the brooding, sulking broken heart girl... but I expect that position to be taken by Spike).
You forget what getting your soul back does. You get all guilt-ridden about all the evil things you've done.

Wouldn't Spike be brooding and sulking? That's what I was referring to, sorta... but I guess that was how Angel dealt with it. Too redundant, I guess.

I'm beginning to fear the Spike storyline, though. The Willow one as well. The mid-summer optimism is slowly dissolving. Get ready for cynical Buffy critic Dylan... but not until I get back from vacation.

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SHUGGIE

Tuesday, July 9, 2002 7:26 AM

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Originally posted by bobknaptor:
My biggest fear is that they will put Willow with a guy in the next season, thus reinforcing the "experimental college phase" theory.

Three different writers on three different occasions have all said Willow's still gay. Jane Espenson went as far as to say (responding to some of the flak over Tara's death) that the real betrayal would be if they set Willow up with a boy next.

Shug

ZICSOFT

Tuesday, July 9, 2002 2:36 PM

Well, you've all heard me rant about how I wished that Willow had remained a woman who was romantically involved with another woman, and not gone the full "I'm gay!" route. But she has, and I can't seem them backing away from it.

But! But! This is all really beside the point! Everybody seems to assume that the immediate issue is "Will Willow date boys or girls?" Hello! Violent death! Blood everywhere! Her beloved dying in her arms! Insane attempts at revenge!

I assume nobody here has had to work through this kind of situation. Which is a good thing, but let's stop and think for a moment. Do you really suppose that somebody who's been through something like that is going to have a romantic life anytime soon?

HJERMSTED

Tuesday, July 9, 2002 3:45 PM

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ZICSOFT said:

You'll notice that, with one exception, none of the opening-credits characters has ever been killed. (The one exception, Amber Benson, sort of proves the rule!) I'm told that Joss wanted Eric Balfour (Jesse, Xander's buddy in the first episode) to be in the opening credits so people would be shocked when he got killed right off the bat. They wouldn't let him do it.

I think you mean none of the opening credit characters who have died have stayed dead. Angel was dead for the first part of S1 and Buffy has died once and been "clinically dead" on two other occasions. Man, I hate being technical sometimes. I sound like an ass!

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Well, you've all heard me rant about how I wished that Willow had remained a woman who was romantically involved with another woman, and not gone the full "I'm gay!" route. But she has, and I can't seem them backing away from it.

It's sad that bisexuality seems to be more controversial than homosexuality (on both sides of the straight/gay border). It's all about love and affection, no? Hollywood is just now acclimating itself to gay characters... bi-sexuality would come off like a spanner in the works. Guess that's what happens when you don't have a lobbying effort on your behalf. Bi people are probably too busy getting some to go out and protest.

More power to them!

mattro

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