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At precisely what point should we be alarmed at human rights violations?

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 18:06
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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:42 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Quit being so goddamn gloomy.


Resistance is futile. We are doomed- the coming bio-war will kill most of us in less than a year, starvation will clean up the rest. We've reached the end of our glorious run; peeps at the top know this, and are living as high as they can for as long as possible.
Pray to whatever god you place your miserable belief in that he/she/it may stop the inevitable.
My only solace is that carbon monoxide is painless...


There ya go Chrisisall

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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:01 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
PS. "It costs $300,000,000 to put the Space Shuttle in orbit"
Only cause it's a government doing it, bet you could cut that by over 80% once you cut loose the graft, kickbacks, cost overruns and black-budget crap they slip in between the orders.

Yeah, but if we gave it entirely to private corporations this would hold just as true, except profit margins would be increased by reducing safety and maintenance.



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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:21 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
PS. "It costs $300,000,000 to put the Space Shuttle in orbit"
Only cause it's a government doing it, bet you could cut that by over 80% once you cut loose the graft, kickbacks, cost overruns and black-budget crap they slip in between the orders.

Yeah, but if we gave it entirely to private corporations this would hold just as true, except profit margins would be increased by reducing safety and maintenance.



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Hello,

I'm not sure I agree. The Scaled Composites efforts have given me hope. Grented, they are standing on the shoulders of the government efforts that preceded them, but they would appear to be working much more efficiently.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:30 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I'm not sure I agree. The Scaled Composites efforts have given me hope. Grented, they are standing on the shoulders of the government efforts that preceded them, but they would appear to be working much more efficiently.

Hardly a fair comparison since SpaceShipOne never went into Orbit. I wonder how they're effort ranks next to similar early high level flights?



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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:46 PM

Hello,

The X-15 performed roughly the same task in the late 50's, early 60's, and the project cost about 150 million when all was said and done.

--Anthony

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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:01 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

The X-15 performed roughly the same task in the late 50's, early 60's, and the project cost about 150 million when all was said and done.

A little three times what the SSO project cost, which isn't bad considering SSO isn't really cutting edge. How much of that extra was because the X-15 had to create technologies that were just there for SSO?

What people often forget is when government project goes over budget, or over schedule, it's often been farmed out to a company, and it's the company that's gone over budget or over schedule. The difference is that a Government project tends to have to be implemented, if it goes over budget governments can't tend to say "oh well we'll go without this hospital/road/whatever". A company can just shrug it's shoulders and move on to something more profitable, giving an illusion of efficiency.



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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:06 PM

Well, optionally there's also doin it right in the first freakin place...

I still think we need to revisit Project Winterhaven now that our metallurgy and ceramics have advanced a bit, cause I really do believe Brown was on to something there.

-F

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