At precisely what point should we be alarmed at human rights violations?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 18:06
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(H) When some pack of idiots forms a Government.
At most, one person can oppress maybe an extended family, if they let em, and they gotta sleep sometime.
At most, one person, under ideal circumstances, could kill maybe a couple dozen people in a day.
A Government can oppress an entire country.
A Government can kill nearly 20,000 people in a day.
Government is the problem, and yet masquerades as it's own solution - it's like the One Ring, sure it's powerful, but that power comes with an inevitable and irrevokable price on those who use it.
In time, every earthly Government has fallen to it, only to be replaced by another, and another, which in turn will also fall to it in an explosive rush of chaos, misery and destruction, and the only check against it whatever is a rabid defense the very moment it inevitably oversteps it's bounds - a defense that, historically, generally fails because it's put into action far too late by people who usually deny the threat until it's unignoreable.
For myself, I think it's time that we, as a species, grew up and quit depending on the surrogate parentage of Government - throw that damn ring back in the fire where it belongs, and get on with evolving in a mental, emotional, and social aspect instead of simply physical, cause emotionally we're still at the have-bigger-club-take-your-stuff level of thought and behavior.
And I really don't think that's gonna happen till we have the ability and drive to get off this puny little rock and out into the universe at large, away from the greedy and grasping hands of that surrogate parentage strangling our humanity in it's crib before it even takes it's first baby steps.
And that's if we manage to do it before some pack of maniacs we handed the power to do it destroys our present living space with nuclear fire and radiation, bioweapons or genetic tinkering to make us more docile and controllable, which WILL happen, or at least be attempted, the moment the powers that be think it's technically viable and feasible to try it.
History is the key to predicting future events Chrisisall - look at the picture from a wider scale and it's usually pretty clear how things are gonna go.
Me, I want off this rock.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Originally posted by SignyM:
How about the 10 million people that we either killed directly or abetted in their murder (thru aid, arms, intel, field support, training, and political cover)? Starting with 2.5 to 5 million Vietnamese.
Yep. Easy to tell you're being objective about this. Obviously the Viet Cong, the North Vietnamese Army, the Chinese and the Russians had nothing to do with any of those deaths. Surprised you didn't bring up all those South Koreans we killed after the peace-loving Peoples Republic and their helpers - Hey, China and Russia again - tried to liberate them.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
For myself, I think it's time that we, as a species, grew up and quit depending on the surrogate parentage of Government - throw that damn ring back in the fire where it belongs, and get on with evolving in a mental, emotional, and social aspect instead of simply physical, cause emotionally we're still at the have-bigger-club-take-your-stuff level of thought and behavior.
Or, more likely, the Giant Purple Wish-granting Grape will come down and make everything all better.
Impossible solutions are not solutions at all. Try suggesting something actually doable for a change.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:The VC were in their own country. What were WE doing there? The way I head it, Ho Chi Minh came to us for help in freeing Vietnam from the French. He figured, having once been a rebellious colony, that we'd understand.
Yep. Easy to tell you're being objective about this. Obviously the Viet Cong, the North Vietnamese Army, the Chinese and the Russians had nothing to do with any of those deaths.
HA!
BTW, I'm not counting WWI, WWII, or the ten million or so natives that we genocided.
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Always look upstream.
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When there is a violation. The real ?...is what to do? Do we fight it with a gun, money, or...?
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Oh, 'bout the time two cops shot a student at my girlfriend's college for asking for badge numbers after they beat a drunk dude unconscious for not quietly getting into an ambulance...
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
When did you become one of them trollfolk, Chrisisall?
I get antsy 'bout stuff like that Chrisisall
Voteronpaulisall.....Really....
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
At precisely what point should we be alarmed at human rights violations? Pick one.
It depends. There's sort of a decision/action tree at work, especially in RWED.
IF the alleged violator is not the US or a US ally
THEN no one is ever alarmed
IF the alleged violator is a US ally
THEN Chris's (E option applies
IF the alleged violator is the US
THEN don't wait for evidence or proof, be alarmed!
"Keep the Shiny side up"
he has a point about Rwer's....
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FredFima..
"Government is the problem,"
No. THIS Govenment is a problem. If the gov. was for the people, by the people...this would not be an issue. When we are stuck with two families running this nation that are both tied to the same CFR anchor...you are correct.
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Impossible solutions are not solutions at all. Try suggesting something actually doable for a change.
Oh you're completely welcome to cling in fear to big daddy Govs leg screaming about how it's scary outside, if you like...
Not all of us are so afflicted.
FIRST, design a ship that doesn't NEED to take off and land in a damn gravity well, as a start.
THEN use those piece of shit shuttles to carry the parts to the L5 point and put em together.
THEN start actively experimenting in a nearby, known environment with deep space operation, and learn how to DO it.
But as mentioned elsewhere, the LAST thing any earthly Government wants is it's slaves out of it's effective reach and threat...
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Originally posted by SignyM:
The VC were in their own country.
And the NVA regulars, and the Chinese and Russians?
Besides, I know firsthand how the VC fought. Torture and terror were their stock in trade. Remember the My Lia massacre and the outrage at that? the VC did that, and worse, on a daily basis. I spent a year there receiving front-line reports, straight from the field, like, "VC entered village of X. Killed village chief and family. Killed school teacher and family. Kidnapped 4 teenage boys. Stole all rice." every day. Don't talk to me about the VC.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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