Writer's strike: Who do you want to win?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Thursday, March 7, 2024 03:54
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Quote:I think you have a poor assessment of the amount of work that being the president of a country is, but that’s tangential.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
That I don't like his policies is incidental to my assessment of the amount of real work he performs, many other lazy, unintelligent Presidents had policies I could deal with- he's just the worst of both worlds.
Quote:I think that if you’re a talented author, you should get paid what talented authors get paid, which is often in the millions. However, if you’re part of union, you might have to accept what the union says. And have you watched TV recently? Are you honestly prepared to tell me that the majority of screen writers are talented authors? Because I’m not going to believe that. As I said, most of what is on TV is as good or better then what amateurs do for free. I think there are some really, really talented authors among screen writers, but they are probably working for less then the market would be willing to pay them, simply because their income is dependent upon a union that is “leveling the playing field” as it were for a shitload of crappy writers.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Sorry, I meant worthless as in deserving of greatly lesser pay, in regards to the writers, my bad!
Quote:Actually, if anything I think always felt more highly of my work then I should have. Aside form scientific papers, most of what I’ve written has been very difficult for me to part with. I always felt cheap when I signed my work over to a publisher. The same was true of my art. As an artist I had a very hard time parting with my work. I was told I could have been successful, but I just didn’t have the emotional mindset to sell my work.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Maybe you don't think as highly of your work as you should? Did you get minimal pay for it? Are there issues here?
Quote:Let’s honest Chris, “Commitment-free” was YOUR description of screen writers not mine. So you’re kind of arguing with yourself now. I simply argued their career wasn’t as demanding as a physician for which their income is on par (according to one source) - I never said their jobs were free of commitments.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
My friend is a stuntman in Hollywood, and his 'commitment-free' life has him running around like a nut wherever the work is, except in Canada, where much of TV is done these days, because you need to be a resident to do stunt work there (or be married to a Canadian), so he has to take other jobs and be prepared to call out on them at a moment's notice...it's incredibly hectic and tiring. In it's way, it's a commitment as much as any other profession. Demanding has more to do with the 'demands' of the job, not just how much you paid for your education, or how punctual you need to be every day.
I sense a little working-class prejudice afoot here.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Seen Niki on heroes?
Originally posted by Causal:
What's happened to you Chris? You developed a mean streak at some point.
Same thing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Seen Niki on heroes?
Originally posted by Causal:
What's happened to you Chris? You developed a mean streak at some point.
Same thing Chrisisall
In that case, I shall be more circumspect when conversing with you. She tore folk limb from limb!
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
So, who do you sympathize with here, the writers who want to be paid for new media uses of their work, or the companies that need to make a profit to keep employing said writers?
I sympathize with the people who like interesting, challenging, smart TV. If the strike goes on long, we're gonna end up with even more 'un-scripted' reality TV as networks look for something cheap to fill airtime.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:I don't doubt that it can be a lot of hard, grueling work for a man who isn't just a yes-man for others, but that ain't Bush.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I think you have a poor assessment of the amount of work that being the president of a country is, but that’s tangential.
Quote:Millions?? Whoah.
I think that if you’re a talented author, you should get paid what talented authors get paid, which is often in the millions.
Quote:Well...no....but the guys at my (former)auto shop are idiots, and they still got paid
And have you watched TV recently? Are you honestly prepared to tell me that the majority of screen writers are talented authors?
.Quote:I've been told the same.
I was told I could have been successful, but I just didn’t have the emotional mindset to sell my work.
Quote:You're right on this one.
Let’s honest Chris, “Commitment-free” was YOUR description of screen writers not mine. So you’re kind of arguing with yourself now. I simply argued their career wasn’t as demanding as a physician for which their income is on par (according to one source) - I never said their jobs were free of commitments.
The reasonable Chrisisall
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Quote:Hey- I'm just feisty today is all- I love all you guys!
Originally posted by Causal:
In that case, I shall be more circumspect when conversing with you. She tore folk limb from limb!
Even Hero!
(well...Hero....)
Chrisisall
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"Are you honestly prepared to tell me that the majority of screen writers are talented authors?"
Are you saying that writers actually decide what's in the show ? That's just silly.
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Quote:Amazing how many people haven't figure that out yet! To them, bargaining should be a matter of bending over and grabbing your ankles!
If the market decided how much they got paid, instead of the unions-Finn
Now this here is {a} plain fallacy. The unions ARE part of the market. -Rue
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
That’s the nature of the business.
The other part of the nature of the business is that it makes money long after the work is done. Seems only fair to pay the creators of the work for as long as the work is making money. Particularly since reruns of old material compete for bandwidth (broadcast or narrow) with new productions that could otherwise be providing work for writers (and actors and directors and light, sound, and camera crews, etc.)
David
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Quote:Ask Stephen King or Terry Brooks what they get paid. Good authors are paid a lot, and they should be, because we are paying for a rare talent and the market recognizes that. But bad writers are not rare and certainly aren’t talented. If it were up to me, I’d be willing to pay the writers of Buffy and Heroes more, and take the extra money from all the no-talent writers, but the union would throw a fit and demand a strike? And then I wouldn’t have any TV - oh wait, yeah that already happened.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Millions?? Whoah.
I think that if you’re a talented author, you should get paid what talented authors get paid, which is often in the millions.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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