Writer's strike: Who do you want to win?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Thursday, March 7, 2024 03:54
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Quote:That’s your opinion, which is probably less then reliable on this particular issue. The president has a difficult job. But if we were talking about Firemen and screen writers, I still wouldn’t sympathize with the screen writers. Of course I don't really know that much about it. You asked for where my sympathies lie, not my opinion on the issue, which I'd have to hold until I had enough information for form an opinion.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Finn, by your reasoning, a good Fireman should get better pay than our President...
Plus: why pay him as much anyway? There's hundreds, probably thousands out there that could do a better job for free
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:That’s the nature of the business. If you want job security, you need to go into a field where you are always in high enough demand, such as medicine, but most of those kinds of jobs require a degree of commitment that many people would rather avoid, and that’s why they have high job security.
Originally posted by daveshayne:
When you consider that writing is a much less stable line of work than medicine this is not as good as it sounds. They may for a given period make as much in some circumstances but they can't count on making that wage from college till they retire as a Dr. can. So not really analogous at all even assuming that your information is correct.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:What- going "uh huh...uh huh" and nodding then giving the occasional inept press conference and speech? He travels and goes to air craft carriers and dresses up...that ain't so hard. Worst part is having to listen to boring stats and things he don't understand. Listening to the irritating press make the occasional connection between his family and the Saudis.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The president has a difficult job.
Finn, writing and producing a show like Buffy or Heroes is INFINITELY more difficult. Unless, you're talking about a President that actually, you know, does work...
Not many of them these days Chrisisall
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So when asked where his sympathies point, Finn says - physicians, reasonable people (those who agree with him), people who write for free and the market. Apparently they all should get a say, but writers shouldn't get any. Sounds fair. 
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Quote:Okay- here we are. You cite my hatred of authority colouring many of my political and social beliefs- and here I see your resentment of folks with a commitment-free lifestyle doing the same. Just as you would say being rich doesn't necessarily make you a worthless human being, so too I would say that being a writer (read: hippy-type) doesn't either.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
most of those kinds of jobs require a degree of commitment that many people would rather avoid
Is a quack doctor better than a great author, just 'cause he paid his dues more, and 'works harder'?
Would you want a world without Shakespeare, because he decided to go into a steadier line of work?
I fixed my own broken nose (TWICE!), but I couldn't have come up with Firefly. Seems to me you're setting a lower value on writers for personal reasons that aren't reflected in the actual supply and demand (or importance) of the business.
Hmmph! Chrisisall
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Quote:That's why Finn like Kaylee; she agrees that doctorin' is the most important career path...
Originally posted by rue:
So when asked where his sympathies point, Finn says - physicians
Good works Chrisisall
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Quote:Just because the writers did a good job with Buffy and Heroes doesn’t mean their job is more demanding then being a US president. If you weren’t so quick to attack the president’s character because you don’t agree with his policy, you might see more clearly what I’m saying.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Finn, writing and producing a show like Buffy or Heroes is INFINITELY more difficult. Unless, you're talking about a President that actually, you know, does work...
Quote:I don’t see that anyone is arguing that screen writers are worthless people, so I don’t really know what I can say to this. You’re arguing a point that simply hasn’t been made. The fact that I don’t think being a screen writer is as challenging a career as being a physician does not in any conceivable way even began to presume that writers are worthless. I’m a writer, and I’ve been published. Why would I think writers are worthless?
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Okay- here we are. You cite my hatred of authority colouring many of my political and social beliefs- and here I see your resentment of folks with a commitment-free lifestyle doing the same. Just as you would say being rich doesn't necessarily make you a worthless human being, so too I would say that being a writer (read: hippy-type) doesn't either.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
most of those kinds of jobs require a degree of commitment that many people would rather avoid
I also don’t resent people with commitment-free lifestyles, but if your job is commitment free then you can’t possible expect me to believe that your career is as demanding as a career that is full of commitments.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:That I don't like his policies is incidental to my assessment of the amount of real work he performs, many other lazy, unintelligent Presidents had policies I could deal with- he's just the worst of both worlds.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
If you weren’t so quick to attack the president’s character because you don’t agree with his policy, you might see more clearly what I’m saying.
Quote:Sorry, I meant worthless as in deserving of greatly lesser pay, in regards to the writers, my bad!
I don’t see that anyone is arguing that screen writers are worthless people
Quote:Maybe you don't think as highly of your work as you should? Did you get minimal pay for it? Are there issues here?
I’m a writer, and I’ve been published.
Quote:My friend is a stuntman in Hollywood, and his 'commitment-free' life has him running around like a nut wherever the work is, except in Canada, where much of TV is done these days, because you need to be a resident to do stunt work there (or be married to a Canadian), so he has to take other jobs and be prepared to call out on them at a moment's notice...it's incredibly hectic and tiring. In it's way, it's a commitment as much as any other profession. Demanding has more to do with the 'demands' of the job, not just how much you paid for your education, or how punctual you need to be every day.
if your job is commitment free then you can’t possible expect me to believe that your career is as demanding as a career that is full of commitments.
I sense a little working-class prejudice afoot here
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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:I'm with YOU!*
Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
I'm a capitalist. So I support the producers.
Screw the writers! They get paid a LOT for sitting on their asses and doing basically not much! They should all just be fired and replaced with new ones who are unafraid of the feast-or-famine lifestyle! The producers and executives know best- just like when they cancel unsuccessful dumb TV shows mid-season or refuse to pump dollars into marketing a movie based on that show!
Who needs freakin' writers or actors? Computers can write and animate stuff for us now anyway.
*not really Chrisisall
Right, because heaven forbid we should have any actual dialogue about this stuff. Let's just attack anyone who doesn't agree with us (especially if they should be in the minority of opinion about the issue).
On the other hand, at least everyone is being honest about being an ass. That's a pleasant change.
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