Drug war
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Sunday, August 30, 2026 23:52
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I know this isn't news, but it is a real world event which has entered my day to day life, and I'm unhappy about it.
Not just kids, but people of my generation are dealing drugs for a supplemental, and sometimes principle, source of income. People from 45 on down are using marijuana, lsd, cocaine, crack cocaine, heroin, crytal meth, just to name a few. Pre-teens are robotripping. Local schitzophrenics are holed up in their cabins with AK47s and people are spreading HepC like the plague, which it is.
It's like an army of zombies, and I do mean that literally.
And I know that this is not just "oh you live in deliverance land" because it came here *last*. It started in the cities, and spread to the suburbs, the smaller citys and towns.
What do we do?
I suspect that govt. should mount a force, shoot first and ask questions later, but I'm open to any more reasonable suggestions. Yes, I've tried reasoning with the army of zombies. I've finally hit the point where i think what I'm dealing with is orcs. There is no possible solution.
I mean, if some folks think, and I know they do, that jihadists are unreasonable, they're vitual dale carnegies when compared to these guys.
Ideas, anyone?
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Legalization.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Legalization.
Ditto.
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Legalisation has a proven track record of reducing, rather than exasperating the problem.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I suspect that govt. should mount a force, shoot first and ask questions later, but I'm open to any more reasonable suggestions. Yes, I've tried reasoning with the army of zombies. I've finally hit the point where i think what I'm dealing with is orcs. There is no possible solution.
DT, you are kidding, right?
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Here in Atlanta, an 88 yr old lady was murdered by the APD. The cops were issuing a 'no knock 'arrest warrent on her house, based on the informaiton of a narc. A squad of civilian clothed officers knocked down her door and entered unannounced. She greeted them with gunfire, as her Constitutional right permits. 3 officers were hit, but all survived.
THe 88 yr old lady died at the scene, protecting her home. No crack cocain was found in the residence, as the informant claimed.
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Legalization, aided by Darwin, will solve the drug problem. Those unable to make the personal choices needed to survive will die - hopefully before they breed.
Yes. Geezer is in a bad mood tonight.
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I agree that the "war on drugs" approach has been a disaster, and made thing even worse than legalization. But legalization is not the answer. This problem is pretty bad in places where it's been tried. I'm not looking for the lesser of two evils, I'm looking for a solution.
I think legalization could be *part* of a solution, but not the solution itself. Education and interruption of the trafficking has to be part of the solution.
Many asian nations have adopted zero tolerance, which works a lot better than what we have, but I think that's a kind of brutal approach. Auraptor's story would back up that idea.
At the moment, in the absence of a workable solution "kill em all and let god sort em out" is probably not that far off base. Accept that I oppose killing. But maybe relocation to somewhere else. The Magic Candy Kingdom.
Sgt. X.
No, of course I'm not kidding. Drug addiction is a serious problem. It leads to a degeneration of mental process, loss of perspective, and irrational behavior. It's not anywhere on a road towards a higher state of consciousness. Everyone I've known who has developed a fondness for serious substance abuse has completely lost focus, dropped out of school, lost or quite their jobs, quit their own creative hobbies and vegetated. Society as a whole fails to produce, fails to compete, and fails to pick good leadership, or to care. If you ask the typical hardcore druggie these days what their idea of a good leader is, if they're white they'll probably tell you "Adolph Hitler." I don't know what a hispanic or black addict would tell you, but I suspect it wouldn't be sound.
I recognize there are people who would be on this forum who would have substance abuse problems of their own, because it is all pervasive. I hope those people realize that the first step is to admit you have a problem, rather than to take it out on me.
So far, I've gotten no response agreeing that this is a serious problem, and so I have to wonder what all this anti-bush stuff was about. If the goal isn't a stable society, then who cares about the nitpicking along the way?
Auraptor,
You do realize that the number of deaths involving drugs is going to far outway that involving anti-drug crusaders.
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Look a little deeper DT.
As usual with a 'War on ...", the war on drugs is a misplaced political campaign that's band-aid at best, and a deeply damaging campaign at worst. Blaming the symptoms of social ills is nonsense and only diverts attention away from the real problems. Much like the 'War on Poverty', the 'War on Violence', the 'War on Terror', or whatever other crap they cook up, focusing on drugs is a red herring.
Western society pushes people into very unnatural places and they break. They're drawn to drug abuse, sexual obsession, violence, or any number of destructive behaviors to distract them from their painful lives. You can punish them further, outlaw their vices, throw them in jail, or just kill them... and it won't make a single dent in the real problem. It'll probably make it worse.
In the wake of your efforts to keep people from being anti-social and self-destructive you'll punish the rest of us. The fact of the matter is, a large majority of people who use recreational drugs don't have a problem. Sucking them into your vendetta against those who do is unjust and pointless.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Strange that it make seem for me to agree with Asshat, but on this one (and probably gun rights in general) I most certainly do.
Some clarifications.
The officers approached the house of Ms. Kathryn Johnston discretely and then broke through the burglar bars and began busting the door down prior to identifying themselves (IF they ever did, and considering the rest of this mess, I doubt it), and Ms Johnston, living in a bad neighborhood and fearful of intruders/home invaders, snatched up an old, rusty revolver and fired six shots, striking three of the five officers before they were even able to return fire.
Then the officers returned fire, killing her.
I'll note here that her gun was empty, and a revolver, and so-called professionals should have KNOWN that, although I doubt even if they did, it would have ended otherwise because any time someone dares challenge the might of the sponsored blue street gang, death will be in the offering, just as surely as a beating upon arrest is.
Substantially after the fact, the PD *says* they recovered a bag of weed, but in light of all the other factors not even the rest of the department believes it wasn't planted.
The so-called informant came out to explain that the police called him AFTER the event to 'encourage' him to back up their so-called story, and he wants no part of it - leading to the obvious conclusion that, like most "anonymous tip" warrants, the PD shovelled a load of BS to a judge who simply rubberstamped it without even the most cursory inspection of the case or evidence.
The entire narcotics squad of that particular dept is on paid leave and the matter is being investigated at the federal level, not that I think they'll get much more than a reprimand, for what accounts to down and out murder, after all, the boys in blue are the lords, and we're just the serfs, right ?
And one has to wonder.... just how often does this crap occur when it DOESN'T get into the news, and doesn't get investigated ?
Probably a lot - the whole no-knock thing is just as insane as every other aspect of the drug war, and the militarization of the blue street gang has made them more of a threat to the general populace than drugs ever were.
Legalization is prettymuch the only answer, cause even the most completely justified attempt at self-defense usually results in the death of the person attempting it, or their loved ones (Google: Ruby Ridge).
So when you look at it, which is really more dangerous to society ?
Drugs ?
Or "The War on Drugs" ?
Prohibition of this sort has failed spectacularly every time it's been tried, and will continue to do so at the expense of all of us.
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If Ms. Johnston had been a little more accurate, justice WOULD have been served, even a little bit... I honestly would feel just a smidge better about the whole thing if she'd taken one or more of the sumbitches with her. 
-Frem
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