What a Waste
POSTED BY: Dayve
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 21:38
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Quote:I think that money should be divided by the number of Californian tax-payers and let people get their own money back to do whatever the hell they want with it. If they want to donate it all to Head Start, or fund small business loans, or buy the biggest ass HDTV they can find, it's really THEIR money.
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I think there should be a few things in there like the number of small business loans it would pay for, or how many of the world's black market nukes could have been purchased with this kind of cash. Then I think you'd see less of a partisan split.
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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Originally posted by Hero:
Eventually the aggressor parties would have forced America to do something, although if we waited to the very last then our final act would have been one of capitualtion. At that point it really doesn't matter how many elementary school teachers California has...those children would have already lost their future.
How very dramatic. Yes, I see now that we were virtually there, thank goodness we acted as we did.
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I noticed some of you dismissing AU's comment as "nonsense". It does not surprise me. You advocate a "do nothing" approach. Then when someone argues the other side of the issue, your response isn't a passionate defense of your logical position...its "do nothing".
"Wait, you mean LITERALLY doing nothing? That wasn't gonna happen on any playing field..."
So that was a call to do nothing? You really are twisted, Lex.
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AU is still out there, his position unrefuted. Were he instead the terrorist type and this a more violent forum rather then one of simple debate, your approach encourages the terrorist to strike again, knowing that you will not even raise a voice in protest.
Attack me in an alley sometime, and I'll show you a voice in protest.
Look, what you guys miss is that we're not saying 'do nothing', we're not even saying 'no military response' (well, I'm not, anyway), we're saying DO IT RIGHT!
We could have achieved all that we have to this point without getting so many of our guys and girls killed in the process, but then I guess most 'Righties' don't care, eh? Cost of doin' business an' all, correct?
Bush makes me miss Reagan.
Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
we're saying DO IT RIGHT!
Saw a nice spin on this by the Democratic Party last week. They pointed out that the War on Terror has now lasted longer then World War II. Thus if we can overcome the Nazis and the Japs in just a few years, why can't we beat the terrorists?
I find it odd that the Democrats are making an argument for the use of nuclear weapons...but I say, ok, if you really want to.
H
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Dream..
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This sounded good. What's the beast?
"bloated and incompetent military-media-corporate-industrial combine that gives 1/100th of the results for ten times the price."
These are the jackasses that we wind up paying $150 for a freakin toilet seat, cause they have a total monopoly on government contracts assisted by huge wads of lobbyist cash - case in point, KBR, whom I like to pick on because they were either unwilling, or unable, in many cases, to do work they had *already* been paid to do, you see.
So, they got the money, the work went undone... and they get more contracts ?!
Somethin wrong with that form of capitalism, dude - and yet these same corporations which give almost NO value to dollar spent are at the top of the list screaming "Free Enterprise" when someone wants to crush their monopoly and give a company who might actually give value for a buck, some kind of chance, you see ?
In the end, the defining trait of REAL free enterprise is "am i going to get more for my dollar with company X, Y or Z ?, and there's company E over here offering a special on something else if i buy this product from them, but company D has a better history of quality, hmmm...."
Choices, you see, and choices based on VALUE, to the customer.
Say.. I want a coffeemaker, in my town here - I can go to supermegastore A and get an overpriced piece of imported crap for $19.99, or I can go to supermegastore B and get an overpriced piece of imported crap for $19.88..
(Or drive sixty miles to maybe find something else, on current gas prices)
So...Where's my choice ? how is this capitalism ?
I want competition, I want choices, and the ability to actually get value for my dollar instead of being given false choices by a set of monopolies.
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Sort of, but that distorts the issue, it's a feeding frenzy of an elite which controls some corporations, but it's for their own personal benefit, not the benefit of those corporations.
Sure, but what's the difference at my end ?
Jack-diddly - as a customer, the companies in question are not offering value for my dollar, only a situation which demands the dollar be spent, and MAYBE value given.
That's a scam, any way you slice it.
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Um, I was suggesting what might make a sound argument. The argument as presented comes across as "Instead of doing your thing, all of that money could have been spent doing my thing."
My snarky comments in that respect were aimed at the "Oh no the sky is falling, liberal agenda, socialism, we're all gonna diieeeee, Osamas gonna get us whine-whine-whine!!" crapola that I'm just really tired of hearing, it's just meaningless gabble, especially when one side blames the other, for something THEY did in the first place...
(not on this board, but I've seen people screaming at Dems for a gun law that Reps actually fronted and passed.. you tell me how that makes sense ?)
So yes, imma be downright nasty in response to such blathering, cause it's gettin really, really OLD.
I think public education is pretty busted, but that whole "liberal agenda" crap is a smokescreen to dismiss actual education and replace it with theocratic indoctrination to create safely ignorant and illiterate drones for the workplace or military.
(To deny that you'd have to deny the religious stance against literacy, a proven fact.)
You ain't gonna fix it with going overboard on PC and sensitivity to the point of not understanding cultural differences and not actually having convictions either, so neither "agenda" is really worth a damn, and neither one BELONGS in an educational system, nor does a corporate one.
(The movie Demolition Man is a good example of too MUCH sensitivity or what have you.)
We really need a whole new educational model, since ours has been broken a long time, but an educated populace is the very gravest threat to all THREE of those agendas, so they're never going to fund it, oh hell no.
Why not take all those taxes going to fund a failed hellhole of disaster we call an educational sy
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Frem,
You still misunderstand me.
It's not mindless right wing blathering. The left-wing argument that blows its own horn repeatedly win no one over to its side, it's a completely self defeating tactic.
The list sounded like a list of stuff that every democrat promises and never delivers. You gotta figure that republicans didn't vote for those arguments, and so are unlikely to be swayed by the argument.
I think that this was C&L's goal, and they failed remarkably, as I see no point in convincing democrats that Iraq war money was mis-spent, since they all believe that already, many of them for different reasons.
The whole MIC issue with spending is rediculous. All of that overcharging fat gets spent overseas running military campaigns, political campaigns, and revolutions all for the purpose of acquiring new puppet regimes that feed either the agenda or the profit master which then makes more money to wage more chaos on the world.
We're not the only country doing this, but it is the reason that the world is such a mess. Any seriously look into various wars around the globe shows superpower money coming underhandedly from corrupt wheeler dealers to buy guns etc. I did some digging as to where the bilking money was going, and this is what I came up with. A whole lot of it goes into political campaigns as well, in the US and abroad.
The money from the big dig was almost entirely funnelled into US political campaigns. That's democracy in action.
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Quote:Frem, I could have put it as well, but it would hae taken me the better part of a month....
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
that whole "liberal agenda" crap is a smokescreen to dismiss actual education and replace it with theocratic indoctrination to create safely ignorant and illiterate drones for the workplace or military.
The corporate and government computers tell the drones what to do and when to do it; how smart do they have to be anymore?
Norman co-ordinate Chrisisall
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