What a Waste
POSTED BY: Dayve
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 21:38
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That's been my point from the very beginning.
This dumb jackassery isn't cost effective.
We wanted Saddam dead/deposed, there were much easier and cheaper ways to do it - all this madness does is feed a bloated and incompetent military-media-corporate-industrial combine that gives 1/100th of the results for ten times the price.
Bullets are cheap, stupidity ain't.
You ever want REAL capitalism to happen in america, as opposed to the "must-protect-our-monopoly" so-called 'capitalism' bought and paid for in congress by the MMCI Combie's lobbyist cash, you have to slay the beast... and starving it would go a long way towards that.
Also, now that their in bed and humping away with the Big Oil combine, one has to wonder what nightmare monstrosity is that going to create ?
This isn't a war, it's a corporate feeding frenzy.
And shut up with that "liberal agenda" shoveljob you morons, it's naught more than a list of EXAMPLES of what that money could fund - not what it necessarily would.... for my own thought securing our southern border would be worth the freakin investment.
Of course, could be the programming is looped again on line 20 *pushes control+break*
/RUN
-Frem
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Chris
Public education is often actually just left wing indoctrination, that's why the left wants to spend money on it. If it were up to us, we'd privatize it, and then education would be run by corporations, some of which would be run by liberals some would be run by conservatives, and whoever was better at it would end up dominating the field.
It wasn't all liberal agenda, but there was a heavy slant. I think it's a loser of an argument, since it would be arguing against Auraptor. I think you'd have to say this many $ could have made the US energy independent, could have bought this many barrels of oil, could have built a conservative education system to rival the liberal establishment. Then he might think twice about it.
Could have balanced the budget?
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Dayve,
Sorry, left on both accounts. Public safety is cops, which are a traditional democrat lobby. Port container inspectors were a platform item of Kerry '04. Nothing right wing about that.
Conservatives don't really give a damn about homeland security. The whole idea was invented as a sort of SS police force, it was part of the socialist agenda way back when. This was in Shachtman's original proposal, and it has showed up in other neocon wings. The large scale security force provide the police in police state, and helps prevent the organization of a real political opposition to the agenda. This is how you make a soviet union. Then again, maybe Auraptor would be for it (j/k)
Frem
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You ever want REAL capitalism to happen in america, as opposed to the "must-protect-our-monopoly" so-called 'capitalism' bought and paid for in congress by the MMCI Combie's lobbyist cash, you have to slay the beast... and starving it would go a long way towards that.
This sounded good. What's the beast?
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This isn't a war, it's a corporate feeding frenzy.
Sort of, but that distorts the issue, it's a feeding frenzy of an elite which controls some corporations, but it's for their own personal benefit, not the benefit of those corporations.
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And shut up with that "liberal agenda" shoveljob you morons, it's naught more than a list of EXAMPLES of what that money could fund - not what it necessarily would.... for my own thought securing our southern border would be worth the freakin investment.
Um, I was suggesting what might make a sound argument. The argument as presented comes across as "Instead of doing your thing, all of that money could have been spent doing my thing."
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Quote:*loud smashing noise*
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
If it were up to us, we'd privatize it, and then education would be run by corporations
OWwww! My toe hurts!
See, I just had this knee-jerk reaction to that last word....
Not of the Body Chrisisall
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Yes education run by corporations would work sooo well.
What's the atomic weight of bollonium?
Delicious!
Which company founded America?
Coke Cola!
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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*Johnny comes home from Enron Public School*
"Johnny, what did you learn in school today?"
"I learned that our teacher was only performing to 86% of projected expectation, so he was canned. Our new teacher has a history of performing up to 92% of projected expectation, although us kids have a bet going that upper management pressure will knock that down to unnacceptable numbers also. Our teacher turnover rate has traditionally been-"
"But Johnny, WHAT DID YOU LEARN TODAY?"
"Watch your back Mom, always watch your back."
Chrisisall
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Is that is johnny?
I also learned that results and content are totally unimportant in the face of profitabllity. On an unrelated note I really need you to buy me these products from our sponsors...
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Johnny will come to understand the Bottom Line better, and who to make friends with quicker, I suppose. Attention to objectivly unimportant details made important by computer analysis will be our kid's strengths. They will finally be truly free of so-called reality.
Corporate Utopianist Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Doing nothing would have cost more.
How do you figure? Doin' Jayne math now are we?
Your right. Doing nothing was not a realistic possibility. Whether we acted at the time or later, eventually we would have acted therefore, doing nothing doesn't really cost more.
I think the idea AU is trying to express is that failing to challenge terrorists and dictators would have encouraged their efforts. They would have continued to strike with ever more destructive results while further insulating themselves from an effective American response. Isreal would eventually be ashes, as would American and Euorpean cities.
Doing nothing was never an option. Eventually the aggressor parties would have forced America to do something, although if we waited to the very last then our final act would have been one of capitualtion. At that point it really doesn't matter how many elementary school teachers California has...those children would have already lost their future.
I noticed some of you dismissing AU's comment as "nonsense". It does not surprise me. You advocate a "do nothing" approach. Then when someone argues the other side of the issue, your response isn't a passionate defense of your logical position...its "do nothing". AU is still out there, his position unrefuted. Were he instead the terrorist type and this a more violent forum rather then one of simple debate, your approach encourages the terrorist to strike again, knowing that you will not even raise a voice in protest. Slowly each of your voices is silenced (for terrorist debate points tend to leave lasting impressions on those unfortunate enough to hear them) until only the terrorist voice remains. At that point, you've lost the argument all because you were unwilling to make it.
H
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Public education is often actually just left wing indoctrination, that's why the left wants to spend money on it.
WTF? Since when did receving an education in math, science, history, language arts etc. become left-wing indoctrination?
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If it were up to us, we'd privatize it, and then education would be run by corporations
Yeah, that would work. The only thing this would accomplish is to make a select few very rich and widen the gulf between the haves and the have nots, because something tells me they won't be providing the education for free. So what happens to those who are unable to afford the education? SOL.
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some of which would be run by liberals some would be run by conservatives, and whoever was better at it would end up dominating the field.
And do you really want an education system that is driven by either political ideology? That's not the purpose of public education, but it'll likely be at least part of the agenda if education is privatized.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation."
-Bertrand Russell
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