Despite what doom/gloomers say, economy roars on.
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UPDATED: Thursday, October 23, 2025 22:23
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There's room for anyone up at the top. There's not room for EVERYONE. Maybe if the US controlled its borders and regulated who comes in like European countries do, we'd have an even better economy.
Do you have a point or... ?
Just that when it comes to wealth, not everyone is equal, nor does everyone have the same interest or drive to succeed. It's called 'freedom'. Folks can come here from a different country, not know the language, work hard and make pretty much what they want out of their lives... OR , they an sit around, do nothing, and blame everyone and everything under the sun for life's inequities. That would be the point.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
There's room for anyone up at the top. There's not room for EVERYONE. Maybe if the US controlled its borders and regulated who comes in like European countries do, we'd have an even better economy.
Do you have a point or... ?
Just that when it comes to wealth, not everyone is equal, nor does everyone have the same interest or drive to succeed. It's called 'freedom'. Folks can come here from a different country, not know the language, work hard and make pretty much what they want out of their lives... OR , they an sit around, do nothing, and blame everyone and everything under the sun for life's inequities. That would be the point.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
It's one thing to say we can't all be equal - to which I'd agree. But sometimes the degree of inequality swells to a destructive point.
Or maybe you're hoping the world returns to feudalism.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Just that when it comes to wealth, not everyone is equal, nor does everyone have the same interest or drive to succeed. It's called 'freedom'. Folks can come here from a different country, not know the language, work hard and make pretty much what they want out of their lives... OR , they an sit around, do nothing, and blame everyone and everything under the sun for life's inequities. That would be the point.
Ahh, so it's nothing to do with the system or with America having the worst social mobility (which basically means people succeed or fail based on social standing, not merit
) of any developed nation (worse than the UK's and ours is pretty terrible), it's the immigrants that are at fault, gotcha.Fairly predictable response really.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
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Quote:The stock market is not the Bush Administration. They’re two different things.
Originally posted by Storymark:
I'd say that there is a bit of a difference between "desperate to hear bad news" and acknowleging that things aren't quite as hunky-dorey as the Administration wants us to believe.
Quote:You’re the one using the label “pinko commies,” you tell me?
Originally posted by Storymark:
And is it so hard to believe that there are people who are rather fond of capitalism, that just don't happen like the way things are being run? Or is it just easier to label anyone who disagrees with Bush (a group getting larger by the day) as pinko commies?
Quote:Maybe. Or they might just be responding to the topic of the thread, which is not the class-gap. There are differences of opinion here.
Originally posted by Storymark:
And I notice that none of those posters on this thread supporting how "strong" the economy is have addressed the class-gap and struggling middle-class issues raised above. Very telling.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Just that when it comes to wealth, not everyone is equal, nor does everyone have the same interest or drive to succeed. It's called 'freedom'. Folks can come here from a different country, not know the language, work hard and make pretty much what they want out of their lives... OR , they an sit around, do nothing, and blame everyone and everything under the sun for life's inequities. That would be the point.
Ahh, so it's nothing to do with the system or with America having the worst social mobility (which basically means people succeed or fail based on social standing, not merit
Fairly predictable response really.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
I'd like for you to back up your claim about 'worst social mobility'. And if you read my post, I didn't lay any fault on the immigrants, only those who are ILLEGALLY here. There IS a difference.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Um, speaking as a total outsider here, just want to add my two cents to the godless communism thing.
Ireland is a welfare state. Which means that we have state benefits, free healthcare and free education (up to and including university - to a point anyway.)
We also have an economy. Which is booming very nicely. And businesses. That sell things. Especially services, as the service sector is huge in Ireland. This despite the fact that we have extremely active unions which, unbelievably, don't cripple the country with unreasonable demands! Or not all the time anyway 
There's another welfare state quite nearby. A little place called The United Kingdom. You may have heard of it. (Didn't you notice that Tony Blaire is leader of the LABOUR Party?)
Despite these terrible socialist leanings of ours, Ireland is still a Catholic country. And likely to remain so at least for the near future. (Catholic and non-Catholic Irish are free to argue this point.)
Is it all sunshine and roses? Heck, no! Are there downsides to our system of government? You betcha. Does it cripple our country financially, deny us religious freedoms and place a stranglehold on business? Um, no.
It may be because most of the Americans I meet are online, but you seen to have this black and white view of Capitalism vs Socialism/Communism. One is good and the other is bad. It doesn't work that way, except in the extremes of both societies. There are many varying levels of each, and since they both have their good points why not just take those and dump the downside? Don't reject either one out of hand.
That's the point I wanted to make. With many more words than I had planned. Feel free to flame me if you wish. Actually, I have to sign off now, so you can pretty much roast, barbacue and fry to your heart's content 
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1929 anyone?
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And if you read my post, I didn't lay any fault on the immigrants, only those who are ILLEGALLY here.
You said:
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Folks can come here from a different country
People who come from other countries are Immigrants, you never specified they had to be illegal, just from another country. You never said anything about them being illegal and if you had I would have said:
it's all the fault of the illegal immigrants, gotcha.
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I'd like for you to back up your claim about 'worst social mobility'.
Hey now, that's a little unfair of you to ask people to back up their claims, but here you go:
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Social mobility lower in US and Britain than in other advanced countries
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Even so, the US has the worst record for social mobility. As the authors point out, although the notion that the US is “the land of opportunity” still persists, such a belief is misplaced.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/may2005/mobi-m25.shtml
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Children born to poor families in Britain are less likely to fulfil their potential than in other developed countries, according to a report published today.
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The report focused on how education affected the life chances of British children compared with those in other countries. It put the UK and the US at the bottom of a social mobility league table of eight European and North American countries, with Norway at the top followed by Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany and Canada.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/britain/article/0,2763,1469685,00.html
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Quote:You’re the one using the label “pinko commies,” you tell me?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Originally posted by Storymark:
And is it so hard to believe that there are people who are rather fond of capitalism, that just don't happen like the way things are being run? Or is it just easier to label anyone who disagrees with Bush (a group getting larger by the day) as pinko commies?
Now you're being fey. You implied it with your capatilism-hater's line.
Quote:Maybe. Or they might just be responding to the topic of the thread, which is not the class-gap. There are differences of opinion here.
Originally posted by Storymark:
And I notice that none of those posters on this thread supporting how "strong" the economy is have addressed the class-gap and struggling middle-class issues raised above. Very telling.
The class-gap is tied to economic factors, and grows wider due to this country's economic practices. Don't act like it's not an element of the topic just because you don't have an answer.
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Oh, just noticed this little chunk of hypocricy:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:The stock market is not the Bush Administration. They’re two different things.
Originally posted by Storymark:
I'd say that there is a bit of a difference between "desperate to hear bad news" and acknowleging that things aren't quite as hunky-dorey as the Administration wants us to believe.
Really? So, it's not acceptable in this thread to tie the economy to the administration?
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Part of the reason is that anti-Bush types don't want to hear about the economy doing well because a strong economy will reflect well on Bush, as per historical precedent.
Or is it just not acceptable to do it if we don't agree with you?
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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