Despite what doom/gloomers say, economy roars on.
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UPDATED: Thursday, October 23, 2025 22:23
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Originally posted by Hero:
At least everyone will have their day in court. Nobody decides 'not to sue'. No limits on award...or fees. Death penalty for all along with unlimited mandatory appeals.
Imagine a world were you take your lawyer with you to the hospital to consult with the hospital's lawyer on whether or not to treat your broken leg and if an agreement is reached then the two of them open negotiations with the Doctor's lawyer, a representative of the nurse's association and the Court of Medical Claims. Assuming it passes the Court's mandatory arbitration (with or without a hearing and appeals) you may or may not be approved to receive a visit from a doctor so long as the paperwork is all filed correctly and a suitable period of review and comment has passed with no objection from local special interest organizations after two announced public hearings and an opportunity for objections to be filed.
In my world ignorance of the law would not just be no excuse...it would be fatal.
No class system what-so-ever, instead your social standing will depend on employment, with the lower rungs filled with the unemployed and those in menial labour.
You don't go out for a drink without the appropriate prepared forms, each drink requires you to sign several forms, under the supervision of your and the bartenders lawyers.
Trying to defend ones-self (especially if you run an on-line 'pseudo' news site) carries the penalty of death, by rampant wildebeest.
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Quote:Because good news is good, and we don’t hear enough of it. Someone really shouldn’t have to explain to you why people like to hear good news. On the other hand, the real question is why are some people so desperate to hear bad news?
Originally posted by citizen:
It would seem that 'some' folks only want to hear good news, sticking their head in the sand and all that.
Gee, I wonder why?
Part of the reason is that anti-capitalists don’t want to hear about a capitalist economy doing well so that they can continue convincing themselves that capitalism doesn’t work.
Part of the reason is that anti-Bush types don't want to hear about the economy doing well because a strong economy will reflect well on Bush, as per historical precedent.
You combine the two and you’ve got a pretty strong ideological desire to perpetuate the doom and gloom among certain people despite a strong economy.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:Because good news is good, and we don’t hear enough of it. Someone really shouldn’t have to explain to you why people like to hear good news. On the other hand, the real question is why are some people so desperate to hear bad news?
Originally posted by citizen:
It would seem that 'some' folks only want to hear good news, sticking their head in the sand and all that.
Gee, I wonder why?
Part of the reason is that anti-capitalists don’t want to hear about a capitalist economy doing well so that they can continue convincing themselves that capitalism doesn’t work.
Part of the reason is that anti-Bush types don't want to hear about the economy doing well because a strong economy will reflect well on Bush, as per historical precedent.
You combine the two and you’ve got a pretty strong ideological desire to perpetuate the doom and gloom among certain people despite a strong economy.
I'd say that there is a bit of a difference between "desperate to hear bad news" and acknowleging that things aren't quite as hunky-dorey as the Administration wants us to believe.
And is it so hard to believe that there are people who are rather fond of capitalism, that just don't happen like the way things are being run? Or is it just easier to label anyone who disagrees with Bush (a group getting larger by the day) as pinko commies?
And I notice that none of those posters on this thread supporting how "strong" the economy is have addressed the class-gap and struggling middle-class issues raised above. Very telling.
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Yep that's it. You're absolutely right Finn, the only reason anyone has an opinion different to yours is because they're anti-capitalists and anti-bush and can't handle being wrong.
Maybe they're communist snivelling evil terrorists who are too liberal to stand up for them selves and are ultra violent too. I don't know, do you?
Please note I was replying to AURaptor, who wouldn't see anything bad or wrong if Bush was caught murdering Children. So spare me the "the other side is blind/biased" argument please.
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Quote:Finn, I hear tell that you enjoy a good beer on occasion (as long as it ain't cold-piss-like), but would you drink that fine brew to the point of alcohol poisoning?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Part of the reason is that anti-capitalists don’t want to hear about a capitalist economy doing well so that they can continue convincing themselves that capitalism doesn’t work.
I don't necessarly see a lot of anti-capitalism here, what I see is anti-extremism. Capitalism, like Communism, taken to an extreme is oppressive. Extreme Capitalism (Corporatism) just means you can have a nicer TV to watch your owners tell you what to buy.
Capitalism, when combined with other, balancing ideals, works. Balancing is the trick.
Capitalism is like kicking *Uh-oh, he's going for the inevitable martial arts metaphore*, I used to be about the best kicker in my Karate school, but then I faced a guy the had way superior hand work, and got my arse handed to me. So I had to incorporate other (balancing) ideads into my personal style; a strength depended upon solely becomes a weakness.
Chrisisall
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Originally posted by citizen:
Because there's nothing really here to discuss, gee I wonder why?
So how's that biggest rich/poor gap of any developed nation coming? All good! Excellent, good luck with that, cause everythings fine, after all.
It would seem that 'some' folks only want to hear good news, sticking their head in the sand and all that.
Gee, I wonder why?
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There's room for anyone up at the top. There's not room for EVERYONE. Maybe if the US controlled its borders and regulated who comes in like European countries do, we'd have an even better economy.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
There's room for anyone up at the top. There's not room for EVERYONE. Maybe if the US controlled its borders and regulated who comes in like European countries do, we'd have an even better economy.
Do you have a point or... ?
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Oh, and this being reported today as well.
" US economic reports have underlined the strength of the world's biggest economy, suggesting that interest rates may well keep rising.
The Institute for Supply Management said that its services index rose to a higher-than-expected 63 in April.
A separate Commerce Department report showed that factory orders had their biggest gain for 10 months in March.
Many analysts are now predicting that the US Federal Reserve will keep hiking interest rates to rein in inflation.
"The economic numbers continue to come in very strong," said Mary Ann Hurly, a trader at DA Davidson.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4969898.stm
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Quote:That’s an anti-capitalist argument. The reason is because the US is not an extreme oppressive capitalist state. And if you look at the good economy in the US and all you see is “evil,” “oppressive” capitalism, then you are not seeing the truth. If you don’t have the perspective to see the good, then you analysis of the “bad” is probably flawed to.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Finn, I hear tell that you enjoy a good beer on occasion (as long as it ain't cold-piss-like), but would you drink that fine brew to the point of alcohol poisoning?
I don't necessarly see a lot of anti-capitalism here, what I see is anti-extremism. Capitalism, like Communism, taken to an extreme is oppressive. Extreme Capitalism (Corporatism) just means you can have a nicer TV to watch your owners tell you what to buy.
Capitalism, when combined with other, balancing ideals, works. Balancing is the trick.
Quote:I had a friend in college from China. Actually he was fresh off the boat, barely spoke English. We struck up a deal together. I would help him learn English, teach him to drive a car and basically help him assimilate into American culture, and in return he would teach me taichi. He was a kungfu master, believe it or not. I really didn’t even know there was such a thing as a kungfu master before I met him, as far as I knew it was just something that I saw on tv. But he was and I study taichi from him for three years. Now three years isn’t really long enough to learn much taichi, but one thing that I did take away from that experience was that taichi, and kungfu in general, are very psychological, and it was a very holistic concept. Much more then a physical exercise, taichi was mental discipline for achieving your goals.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Capitalism is like kicking *Uh-oh, he's going for the inevitable martial arts metaphore*, I used to be about the best kicker in my Karate school, but then I faced a guy the had way superior hand work, and got my arse handed to me. So I had to incorporate other (balancing) ideads into my personal style; a strength depended upon solely becomes a weakness.
He was an impressive guy for much more then just his kungfu. He came to this country to escape religious persecution under the Chinese government. He worked harder then most people I’ve known and had a better head on his shoulders too. The glass was always half full. He loved the US. This was a guy who knew what real persecution and real extremism was, and he did not take the freedoms that he found in this country for granted. He believed that freedom was about seeking your goals and being free to do that. This was a guy who understood, first hand, that when you try to take way the class struggle, you take away the freedom.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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