Why are the SW Prequels horrible?

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OTMA

Sunday, March 12, 2006 6:36 PM

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Originally posted by NEEDY:

Hmm, sounds like a possible explanation... if there was any indication to support it.
So was this hinted at in one of the novels or is this just your understanding?
It does sound like a pretty good idea, and I certainly wouldn't put it past Palpatine to do something like that

I don't remember the specific dialogue or scenes, since I only saw the movie once in the theatre and once on DVD months ago, but I got the impression from the movie that it would be possible to do something like that. That's why I'm not sure if there is any hard evidence to support it, but it seems to hold together better than simply saying that she "lost her will to live"
After all, she was willing to leave Anakin when he had become evil, even though it hurt her to do it, and she was generally a stronger and more stable person than he was. If anything, one would have expected Anakin to lose the will to live, once his combat adrenaline and crushing hatred had abated. Palpatine would have had to do something to keep him alive through the painful (and likely, needlessly and deliberately so, given advanced medical facilities) surgery to graft on his cybernetics and save his life.
Palpatine created the empire by manipulating the weak (Jar Jar, Anakin) and destroying the strong (The Jedi, Padme)
The one thing that puzzles me more about the third prequel is why Yoda gave up and ran from Palpatine to go into exile so quickly. He didn't seem to be losing the fight decisively at that point.

NEEDY

Sunday, March 12, 2006 6:41 PM

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Originally posted by otma:

I don't remember the specific dialogue or scenes, since I only saw the movie once in the theatre and once on DVD months ago, but I got the impression from the movie that it would be possible to do something like that. That's why I'm not sure if there is any hard evidence to support it, but it seems to hold together better than simply saying that she "lost her will to live"
After all, she was willing to leave Anakin when he had become evil, even though it hurt her to do it, and she was generally a stronger and more stable person than he was. If anything, one would have expected Anakin to lose the will to live, once his combat adrenaline and crushing hatred had abated. Palpatine would have had to do something to keep him alive through the painful (and likely, needlessly and deliberately so, given advanced medical facilities) surgery to graft on his cybernetics and save his life.
Palpatine created the empire by manipulating the weak (Jar Jar, Anakin) and destroying the strong (The Jedi, Padme)
The one thing that puzzles me more about the third prequel is why Yoda gave up and ran from Palpatine to go into exile so quickly. He didn't seem to be losing the fight decisively at that point.

I'll have to watch it again as it has been a while since I watched it. Though it wouldn't be such a bizarre thing if I missed that - I didn't notice till later the subtle hint that was given regarding the origin of Anakin's miraculous birth.
In the opera house scene, Palpatine tells Anakin of a Sith lord so powerful that he could influence the midichlorians to create life - so that explains how Anakin's mother could become pregnant without a man.

The Yoda retreat is a bit of an odd one, I agree with you there
Some warrior *pfft*

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SIMONB

Sunday, March 12, 2006 7:21 PM

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Originally posted by otma:

The one thing that puzzles me more about the third prequel is why Yoda gave up and ran from Palpatine to go into exile so quickly. He didn't seem to be losing the fight decisively at that point.

This is explained a little bit in the novel which was based on George Lucas' original screenplay. Yoda has an insight (forgive me if I garble this abit, I read it months ago) that he cannot beat Sidious directly. The Sith have evolved since the old days of the Sith Wars - they have adapted and changed their ways, whilst the Jedi have become stagnant and continue to train as though they are still back in the old days. He realises that he cannot defeat Sidious, only the Chosen One can stop the Sith (which is what Anakin does once he is redeemed by his son*) though some have said that they see Luke as being the Chosen One who brings balance.

(*as reportedly quoted by George Lucas in an interview I confess I haven't myself seen).

- Shiny. Let's be bad guys.

MATTCOZ

Sunday, March 12, 2006 7:48 PM

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Originally posted by sazman:
Seriously, everyone is so polite it's like attending an etiquitte class.

That's the way it is in the Republic, before the dark times, before the Empire.

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Originally posted by Vitabrand:
I don't know if it was the dialog in the script, but the kid they got playin Anikin / Vader in Ep3 sounded like a spoiled rich kid who's daddy didn't let him take the bentley out for a saturday night spin. Seemed to me that every word that came out of his mouth was whining just shy of a tantrum.

Certainly sounds like the father of Luke. "But I was going into Tosche Station to pick up some power converters."

SIMONB

Sunday, March 12, 2006 8:18 PM

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Originally posted by sazman:
Certainly sounds like the father of Luke. "But I was going into Tosche Station to pick up some power converters."

Yeah, Luke was a bit whiny to begin with, wasn't he?:

LUKE: But it's a whole 'nother year.

OWEN: Look, it's only one more season.

LUKE: Yeah, that's what you said last year when Biggs and Tank left.

AUNT BERU: Where are you going?

LUKE: It looks like I'm going nowhere. I have to finish cleaning those droids.

- Shiny. Let's be bad guys.

SIMONWHO

Sunday, March 12, 2006 8:47 PM

There were a lot of mistakes made with the prequels, the most obvious being the lack of humour. I'm not necessarily saying there had to be Serenity levels of one liners but two laughs a movie (and for the record, Jar Jar did nothing even remotely funny throughout. The only possibility was if he fell into a jet engine in Episode III and that didn't happen so...) does not do it for what are supposed to be fun action films.

The extra danger is that if the audience isn't given funny bits, they'll start to see them when they aren't there. I was at a very early showing of Ep II, pretty much Star Wars fans only, and the scene with Anakin in bed, him sweating, shaking about, his hand under the covers... you could feel the audience starting to titter and then he uttered the immortal line "Mother!". Brought the house down. Which in turn led to us laughing when he was with his dying mother.

There's no shame in "only" having a few great movies in you. But sometimes you need to learn to leave things alone.

SIMONB

Sunday, March 12, 2006 8:57 PM

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
There were a lot of mistakes made with the prequels, the most obvious being the lack of humour. I'm not necessarily saying there had to be Serenity levels of one liners but two laughs a movie (and for the record, Jar Jar did nothing even remotely funny throughout. The only possibility was if he fell into a jet engine in Episode III and that didn't happen so...) does not do it for what are supposed to be fun action films.

I won't disagree that the originals had more of a sense of rogue-ish fun about them (mostly supplied by Han and his character dynamic was something that I loved about episodes 4-6) ...but ultimately I think it boils down to what I said before and what someone else already said in a different thread - one man's quality is another man's crap. I really like the prequels and I still rate 'em up there with the originals, but that's just my opinion, and this is yours. We're just gonna have to agree to differ.

- Shiny. Let's be bad guys.

SINGATE

Sunday, March 12, 2006 10:31 PM

I've heard a lot of people complain about how whiny Hayden seemed in the last two movies. I think everyone has glossed over the fact that Anakin was whiny because he was never satisfied with what he had. A lot of his problems stem from the fact that he believes the Jedi are keeping secrets from him and holding him back.

He was freed from slavery and given a golden opportunity to become a guardian of justice and peace in the galaxy (A nod to Obi-Wan in episode IV). Instead he becomes greedy and obsessive to the point of commiting terrible atrocities. You would think that being the chosen one, destined to be the most powerful Jedi ever, would be enough. Even he recognizes this in ROTS as evidenced by the line: "I'm not the Jedi I should be...I want more and I know I shouldn't". Sorry if didn't get that exactly right.

On a completely different note did anyone think Lucas was capable of creating such a dark film as ROTS after giving us the likes of Ewoks and Jar Jar?

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SIMONB

Sunday, March 12, 2006 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by singate:
I've heard a lot of people complain about how whiny Hayden seemed in the last two movies. I think everyone has glossed over the fact that Anakin was whiny because he was never satisfied with what he had. A lot of his problems stem from the fact that he believes the Jedi are keeping secrets from him and holding him back.

He was freed from slavery and given a golden opportunity to become a guardian of justice and peace in the galaxy (A nod to Obi-Wan in episode IV). Instead he becomes greedy and obsessive to the point of commiting terrible atrocities. You would think that being the chosen one, destined to be the most powerful Jedi ever, would be enough. Even he recognizes this in ROTS as evidenced by the line: "I'm not the Jedi I should be...I want more and I know I shouldn't". Sorry if didn't get that exactly right.

Good points.

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On a completely different note did anyone think Lucas was capable of creating such a dark film as ROTS after giving us the likes of Ewoks and Jar Jar?

Guess the Ewoks are unloved as well, then? lol - I never had much of a problem with them, but I think that's because I was pretty young when they came along, so they've been with me most of my life and I'm just used to them being part of ROTJ.

I wonder if he'd put something like the Ewoks in the new film and I came across them for the first time now as an adult, would I feel the same way? It's an interesting question I'd never really thought of before.

Ep3 was certainly dark, you're right, especially when Anakin bursts into flame! I was surprised with how dark that moment was for a Star Wars movie.
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We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.

Good quote! (bows to Singate) Ia! Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!

- Shiny. Let's be bad guys.

ROLAND19

Monday, March 13, 2006 3:10 AM

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Originally posted by mattcoz:
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"But I was going into Tosche Station to pick up some power converters."

Dude, you actually know how to spell "Tosche"? That's kinda weird.

No offense.

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