Conservative Firefly Fans Unite!

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SHERIDANMOVIEGUY

Thursday, November 4, 2004 12:46 AM

This thread is not for bashing of any party. I just want to know who shares my political beliefs. I'm not here to get heckled, or to heckle anybody else. I just want to know who the Republicans are.

Every episode of firefly is better than most of the movies I see for my profession, and that makes it special.

INEVITABLEBETRAYAL

Thursday, November 4, 2004 1:02 AM

I'm a Republican.

_______________________________________________
I wish I had a magical wish-granting plank.

ANARKO

Thursday, November 4, 2004 1:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by InevitableBetrayal:
I'm a Republican.

Me too.

http://www.rnc.org/
http://www.georgewbush.com/
http://www.conservativepunk.com/index.asp

FOUR MORE YEARS!!!

SPACECOWGIRL

Thursday, November 4, 2004 1:24 AM

Well, I'm not registered to any party, but I generally vote Republican. To me, they just seem to have better plans for the long term.

Sheridan--Do you review movies or what? Cuz that would be my dream job. Starting with "Serenity" of course!

HARDWARE

Thursday, November 4, 2004 2:30 AM

Despite the posts I have made on this board in the political discussions, I am a registered Republican.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

MELEAUX

Thursday, November 4, 2004 5:08 AM

I am right there with you guys. I am pleased to see that I am not the only one. Some of these threads make me uncomfortable enough that I just won't post. So does that make us browncoats or alliance?

She understands, she doesn't comprehend

GRUESOME

Thursday, November 4, 2004 5:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by meleaux:
Some of these threads make me uncomfortable enough that I just won't post.

That is unfortunate, but hopefully the discourse here can be made more reasonable soon. After the election, it is typical for people to pretend like they want to mend bridges and discuss differences, but they are just words.

It is rare that someone actually wants to understand people that disagree with them. Human nature, pride, etc...

Earlier today, I thought I was being someone helpful in another thread and a "democrat" branded me a "republican" because I disagreed with how they communicated...
So maybe its appropriate that I replied in this thread, what with my apparent new party affiliation and all!

Cheers,
Gruesome

SHERIDANMOVIEGUY

Thursday, November 4, 2004 7:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by spacecowgirl:
Sheridan--Do you review movies or what? Cuz that would be my dream job. Starting with "Serenity" of course!

Yes I do. I'm only 16, but that doesn't mean I can't have Republican ideas. As for movie reviews, I do a review a week for my local newspaper, plus some other articles from time to time. Try smaller town papers to start out with, they usually don't have critics, but there are lots of people who send lots of E-Mails to these small town papers to get published. If you already live in a small town with a paper you have a better chance, as they tend to like locals better. Plus, I got in because I was a teen too, they though it would be an interesting perspective.

Oh, and I will be seeing Serenity come April 22. And I look forward to giving it a glowing review.

Every episode of firefly is better than most of the movies I see for my profession, and that makes it special.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, November 4, 2004 11:05 PM

Conservative here too. Without giving some long , drawn out story of my all my political views, I voted for Bush - this time. This wasn't the case in 2000,but I digress. As one who is sans faith... yep, no belief in things religious or supernatural , an Atheist, I find it funny that folks like to paint ALL Conservatives as 'Right wing religious whackos'. I lean more toward the 'Right' side of the Libertarian party, which is what I call an evolved Republican.

Anyway, as per Firefly, I think I most relate to Mal in what I've seen from his view of politcs and religion. It's so refreshing that Joss et al can make such a character in Mal being the main character along with many different types of people. There really are folks out in the 'verse who have personally had their fill w/ religion, but aren't hostile or feel threatened by the beliefs of others.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

DESANGRO

Friday, November 5, 2004 1:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sheridanmovieguy:
I just want to know who the Republicans are.

Every episode of firefly is better than most of the movies I see for my profession, and that makes it special.

Technically, I'm still an Independent, but I voted a straight-Republican ticket in this year's election, and I'm very conservative in my outlook.

*waves at Sheridanmovieguy* So there's another Conservative Browncoat for yah.

OZYMANDIAS

Sunday, November 7, 2004 11:25 PM

My political preference is rational anarchist (see THE MOON IS A HARSH MISTRESS by heinlein for an in depth definition) But I can get along with republicans and libertarians alike

And Melkor fled before the laughter of Tulkas, and hated him ever after

AURAPTOR

Sunday, November 7, 2004 11:44 PM

Quote:
And Melkor fled before the laughter of Tulkas, and hated him ever after

Excellent quote.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

DARKARCHON

Monday, November 8, 2004 8:33 AM

I wouldn't say I'm a Republican so much as a conservative free thinker.

I did vote Republican this year though I am also not a big follower of religion, unless its in a purely philosophical curiosity nature. Organized religion is an even bigger can of worms than politics...so I try to avoid it if possible.

-Dark a.k.a. Blue

"The trick to flying is falling and forgetting to hit the ground."

TANGO

Monday, November 8, 2004 11:37 AM

conservative free thinker.... that's an oxymoron.

Jupiter Jazz...

BROWNCOAT1

Monday, November 8, 2004 2:21 PM

Not to rain on anyone's parade or anything, but shouldn't this go in Talk Story instead of General Firefly?

__________________________________________

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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DARKARCHON

Tuesday, November 9, 2004 4:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tango:
conservative free thinker.... that's an oxymoron.

Jupiter Jazz...

So is a 'rational liberal' but hey...if you put your kool-aid down, I promise not to drink it.

-Dark/Blue

"The world is a joke, and only I get it."

MANIACNUMBERONE

Tuesday, November 9, 2004 4:34 AM

Curious as to the motive behind finding out who the Republicans are? No presumptions.

SUCCATASH

Tuesday, November 9, 2004 5:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ManiacNumberOne:
Curious as to the motive behind finding out who the Republicans are? No presumptions.

Maniac, where did this post go?

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

BEENWITHAWARRIORWOMAN

Tuesday, November 9, 2004 3:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DarkArchon:
So is a 'rational liberal' but hey...if you put your kool-aid down, I promise not to drink it.

-Dark/Blue

As mildly offended as I am (as a liberal)

, you've touched on something I've been curious about. In debates with conservatie friends and coworkers I have yet to meet one guided by any form of reason and I've wondered if I sound a silly and non-sensical to them as they do to me. So I'm wondering if you could explain that - how is "rational liberal" an oxymoron?

STILLSHINY

Tuesday, November 9, 2004 4:06 PM

Yep, I voted for George W. I think he's God's man for this country. Do I think he's perfect? No. But I pray for him. I prayed for Clinton too, that's why he got caught.

Yes, I go to one of those Fanatic Faith Speaking churches. Now before you all run to the corner, or pick up your weapons I'll also say.

I have never believed in a direct link from the throat to the heart. I'll let you think on that.

So then, if I'm one of those "Christians" why do I like Firefly? Because, it's all about Faith, Family & Never giving up.

Remember Mal is mad at God, because he felt betrayed. But he went into the War as a man of faith believing he was doing the right thing. "May have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one."

It's not about the moral standards of the show ie: (what gives it a TV-14 rating), but the morality of it, never giving up, forgiveness, faith, responsibility for actions, justice, love, family, confidence, doing the impossible, overcoming the odds, never leaving a man behind, and the list goes on & on.

Find a Crew, Find a Job, Keep Flying. That's inspiration.

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"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." --Joss

MANIACNUMBERONE

Tuesday, November 9, 2004 5:06 PM

I don't know, but the weirdness keeps on keepin on

SUCCATASH

Tuesday, November 9, 2004 8:14 PM

Indeed.

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

NEUTRINOLAD

Tuesday, November 9, 2004 9:41 PM

Quote:
So is a 'rational liberal'

And with that, I declare the Enlightenment officially dead, buried, and completely forgotten.
Let's all take a moment to say a prayer.

WILDBILL

Tuesday, November 9, 2004 10:06 PM

Conservative Free Thinker: Libertarian.

I'm a Libertarian when I'm feeling idealistic. In a pragmatic mood -- I'll take what I can get and go Republican.

MANIACNUMBERONE

Wednesday, November 10, 2004 4:26 AM

No presumptions... just curious why you might want to know who the republicans are.

ANARKO

Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:05 AM

Have you guys seen this yet.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=7885

BEENWITHAWARRIORWOMAN

Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:51 PM

This is what I'm getting at - I posted the above query a couple days ago, yet no one seems to have an answer... if you can logically support the statement "rational liberal is an oxymoron," please do. Otherwise, I'm writing you off as another "irrational and unreasonable conservative."

And while I'm at it, shouldn't "conservative Firefly Fan" be an oxymoron?

SHERIDANMOVIEGUY

Thursday, November 11, 2004 3:59 PM

That's not the reason I wanted to start this thread. Itwasn't supposed to be dissing people, I was curious who had the same beliefs as I did. Liberals are not idots, or irrational, they have an idea, and want to help the country. So do we, we just disagree on how to do it.

Every episode of firefly is better than most of the movies I see for my profession, and that makes it special.

WILDBILL

Thursday, November 11, 2004 5:31 PM

"Conservative Firefly Fan" an oxymoron?

Lets see:

Our Big Damn Heroes wear guns and don't pay income tax, race is a non-issue, and religion is present but not divisive. Conservative heaven. (And you can even have a cigar now and then.)

I'll stop being a fan when Serenity lands on Ariel, the crew takes advantage of a gun by-back program, file their tax returns, and, having no (legal) income, apply for food-stamps, unemployment, etc. At this point, of course, Mal would have too turn himself in for having hired a crew (Zoe, Jayne, Wash, Simon) which was just a little too white and a little too male. Book would then be in court for "creating a hostile work environment" for carrying his Bible out of his room (the entire ship being a "workplace").

Liberals aren't irrational just usually wrong.

WILDBILL

Thursday, November 11, 2004 5:41 PM

Sorry, Kaylee.
Scratch too male - add to too white.

BEENWITHAWARRIORWOMAN

Friday, November 12, 2004 12:20 AM

So, as a conservative, what you're saying is that the nice thing about Firefly is that it attacks such evils as social services, taxes, anti-discrimination laws, and gun laws. Yeah, I can see where those liberals are way off base.

But seriously, I think what you have here is an unfair characterization. For starters, the Firefly 'verse is hardly modern America - the problems and their solutions are not the same. Vigilantism works because the central government is not interested in keeping the common man's order. Our current government is a little too interested in that (and, in my opinion, going about it the wrong way). Just one example.
What I'm interested in from you folks is what makes the liberal-minded sound irrational and crazy (or wrong)? If I'm making a liberal argument, I try and point out (using sources) why and how it's bad for the country at large. All I ever seem to get in response from the conservative right relates to morals or religion. Which doesn't seem resonable to me. Maybe I'm just not a follower of universalist ethics... in any event, where do the two roads diverge? Where, to put it another way, do I step onto the road apparently less traveled?

WILDBILL

Friday, November 12, 2004 3:34 AM

Your right, the Firefly 'verse isn't modern America and any direct comparison isn't possible. People living on a frontier do what they have to do without any political consideration.

The point of view from which we begin our politics is what makes us so very different. Conservatives (rightly so) view the world as individuals, liberals view the world collectively. Most conservatives make some concessions to the larger society and most liberals do opposite-wise (moderates on both sides, I guess), but as our world-views are different we're just not speaking the same language. This is where all the fun yelling and turning blue begins and nobody changes their mind.

When push comes to shove - the individual trumps society. This makes me a conservative.

The common man needs to keep his own order and the government needs to either help or get out of the way. If you think oppositely: you're a liberal. Oh, and wrong.

BEENWITHAWARRIORWOMAN

Friday, November 12, 2004 1:56 PM

I have a rebuttal quasi-prepared, WildBill, but this doesn't feel like the forum for it. I read above where you take the position of being a liberitarian - I've got some leanings that way myself, so I don't think we're really all that different... well, maybe. Thanks for responding - it's nice to get some kind of grasp on the other man's perspective. If you're interested in hearing what I have to say, I'll post it, but otherwise, simply thanks.

WILDBILL

Sunday, November 14, 2004 3:58 AM

Sure, I'm interested.

Be forewarned - I may disagree.

SKYWALKEN

Sunday, November 14, 2004 9:08 AM

I'm a Conservative, a "Hard-Core" one according to the political quiz I took. And I'm definately a Firefly fan. Registered independent, but certainly Republican when it comes to voting (maybe Libertarian or Constitution Party someday).

April 22, 2005...

AERONSTORM

Sunday, November 14, 2004 1:00 PM

I figured I ought to post here, since I posted on that thread that said I voted for lies death and war, or something like that!

I am a conservative Republican and have identified myself as such since about the 6th grade. I usually split my ticket, based on the candidates, but I voted stright Republican this year for the first time. How about that.

I guess some might call me right-wing, since I listen to Rush Limbaugh, watch Fox News and was rather involved in this year's Indiana Governor's race.

I enjoy politics, (except in my workplace..long story) but I think this year was really ugly, at least on the left side of the aisle. I was really disappointed that the Democratic party acted like that (and still is to some degree) and it went all the way from the presidential race down to the county and city levels.

I hope the Dems head back towards the middle. I think we all remember when when Ted Kennedey wasn't the "conservative" senator from Massachusatts...

SIGNYM

Sunday, November 14, 2004 4:35 PM

I think you're applying a double standard. The left has been castigated for years by the likes of Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, the Federalist etc. We have been called traitors, Pinko commie fags, flip-floppers, Hollywood liberaloids, sinners, the damned... I'm sure you've heard even more than I have since you actually listen to these folks. So, what is your definition of "ugly"?

Edited to add: And this is why I wonder how rational some conservatives are! (Rational= to ratio, to think in relative proportions; in this case, to measure the amount of ugliness on one side versus another and come up with a realistic estimate)

SHERIDANMOVIEGUY

Sunday, November 14, 2004 5:54 PM

Now you're generalizing. You're taking the opinions of a few men and taking it as the opinion of the whole. Are you saying that there are no out spoken liberals? Just who the hell is Michael Moor then? Or Al Frankin, or Tim Robins, Meryil Streep, or Shaun Penn? Every side has out spoken people.

They are painting just as bad a picture of us as Hannity does of you, if not worse. I have been kicked in the shins for saying I support Bush. One of my fellow classmates told me if I was Republican I was either an inbred moron or a religious zealot, I am nether. Don't run away with the idea that you are the only ones suffering from generalities. We do too, and it isn't fair.

I understand that you have a different opinion, that's fine, but you guys aren't the only one's being picked on, you have lots of proponents, and a lot of them have big voices in the media, like the aforementioned actors, who use their Oscar acceptance speeches for political talk. That's not the point though, there are generalities, but liberals aren't the only ones who suffer from them.

Every episode of firefly is better than most of the movies I see for my profession, and that makes it special.

SIGNYM

Sunday, November 14, 2004 6:22 PM

Until recently, NONE of the people that you mentioned had regular network outlets where they could opine morning, noon and night. Al Franken is now the exception (on radio) and a very recent one at that. That throws off the ratio.

WILDBILL

Sunday, November 14, 2004 10:11 PM

The ratio looks balanced to me - equal numbers to MY left and MY right on the radio dial.

Anyone that can attract and hold an audience (and therefore get sponsors) is free to do so and opine to their hearts content. Market forces can be cruel, but not to worry, welfare is available - its called N.P.R..

BEENWITHAWARRIORWOMAN

Monday, November 15, 2004 3:14 PM

Essentially, it seems to boil down to this: the current conservative regime is all about an individual (or group thereof) trumping society - W and Co. Which, I guess, is all well and good if you agree with their politics. But I don't.
The things I've hated about W since the beginning relate to his infringement of freedoms - the Patriot Act, his deletion of information from the .gov websites that didn't suit his politics, his stance on women's rights and birth control, his firing of any who question his faith-based presidency. That only feels like the individual is trumping society of you're an individual with a penis who doesn't care about... well, freedom of information and privacy. I've got articles on this stuff, but again, the forum feels wrong.
I fear all we will see with Bush is a descent into facist theocracy. I hated Kerry - I would've voted Green if I could have risked it. But I hated W that much more. Kerry's presidency would have been bland, effectless... there would have been blank pages in the history books between 2004 and 2008. With Bush, plenty's going to get done. I just fear it's the wrong things.
That's my two bits. I can justify my fears if necessary, but I'm not looking for a fight. I am just trying to understand 59,000,000 of my fellow human beings. And disagree at your leisure, WildBill. All I ask is that you do it where I can see it.

SIGNYM

Monday, November 15, 2004 4:16 PM

Oh my WildBill. Do you really think that consumers drive the market anymore? PPl learn to accept whatever is offered them, especially if it's the only choice they have. Once you're dealing with monopolies and cartels, your individual choice means... well, I can't think of any analogy small enough. I hope you trust the multinationals, because they're closer to forming one-world-government than the UN.

BEENWITHAWARRIORWOMAN

Monday, November 15, 2004 5:30 PM

Too true, too true. I point to the shining example of the so called "pop-music" radio scene. The radio plays the singles of the bands the record company owners decide are going to do well. This is why everything on the radio sounds like everything else - you've got the pop-punk BS, the softcore rap/r&b, the ballad-y Nickleback-esque "rock" and the poppy country crap. And that's about it. Everything falls nicely into one of those categories because 3 or 4 corporations own both the record labels and the radio. We don't control the market - it controls us.

WILDBILL

Monday, November 15, 2004 8:13 PM

I'm not the guy to defend the adminisrtation's policies - I was one of the small government Republicans who got more than a little frustrated about nine years ago and started hanging out with Libertarians. Once the Republican party controlled Congress the small goverment concept disappeared pretty quickly.

Radio shows are one of the few places where market forces really work as well. For example: Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern both started in smaller markets, pulled in a good audience, got sponsers, and syndication followed where they were able to appeal to a national audience and keep it. The liberals are now trying to get their own radio thing going in more of a top-down fashion - going directly to a national audience. Same way they want government.

I both rue and lament the state of music, television, and movies in general. Investors just plug into a formula that's worked in the past, pump some money into marketing, and collect their profits. I think that my head may explode the next time I hear a teenager singing and relating to some awful 'song' that slick marketing told him told represents his inner teenaged angst. Market forces are cruel indeed.

SIGNYM

Monday, November 15, 2004 8:20 PM

But WildBill, there is one more factor at work in the media that you haven't considered. The media is not just a market-driven business, it's also mixed with politics. The Bush administration promised the large media conglomerates that FCC rules would be relaxed to allow greater consolidation. The largest media owners who are of course very big businesses see this as a terrific oppty to gain market share. No matter how good the programming or the reponse to a particular show (like Firefly) it just can't compare to the bottom line impact of getting an additional 10% share, so the media owners keep Bush&Co happy.

BEENWITHAWARRIORWOMAN

Monday, November 15, 2004 10:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by wildbill:
I both rue and lament the state of music, television, and movies in general. Investors just plug into a formula that's worked in the past, pump some money into marketing, and collect their profits. I think that my head may explode the next time I hear a teenager singing and relating to some awful 'song' that slick marketing told him told represents his inner teenaged angst. Market forces are cruel indeed.

My sentiments exactly. See? Not so different...

WILDBILL

Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:29 AM

The only way to keep politics out of the media is to relax regulations even more. If, the media is free from regulation they won't have to get in bed with any administration in the future.
So, if media conglomerates are getting chummy with the administration today (I really don't think so, but I'll frame things in these terms) for less regulation, the'll be freed from having to do politics in the future. They could even turn right around and be critical of the administration that turned them loose.

The alternative is to keep the FCC strong enough to be used by this or future administrations as a club to keep the media in line.

Kill your television - 10% of nothing is ...let's see... carry the zero...

SIGNYM

Wednesday, November 17, 2004 2:16 AM

On a completely superfluous note, the title of this thread inevitably makes me think of "Dyslexics untie!"

Sorry, but I see that every time I read the header and I just wanted to pass that chuckle along!

BEENWITHAWARRIORWOMAN

Wednesday, November 17, 2004 3:48 AM

See, I would argue that it works the other way around - the media uses money as a club to keep the administration in line. What does the FCC really do? The biggest profile thing we've seen out of them this last year is fining for the Superbowl "wardrobe malfunction." So, on the superficial things they seem to regulate, but when it comes down to the important stuff (like media monopolies) they seem to be... well, absent. If you're running for president, it's in your best interest to get as much money as possible to fund your campaign. The corporations that run the media can provide that money, so by proxy, it's in your best interest to look the other way. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
By that, it would seem the best way to control the media is to add regulations, not relax them. The media needs to be completely independant of politics, not in bed with them. If you regulate the media right out of political arenas, you've cut them loose.

CIRCUITRIDER

Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:38 AM

I reckon I'm a conservative, cause I am mighty fond of the Declaration of Independence and the Philadelphia Constitution.

But I can count, so I vote GOP.

Listen to the theme song, if that isn't a retroamerican rural conservative microcapitalist anthem, what would be?

The other party has very close ties to the PLA occupying the Chinese mainland. It is they who would be the Anglo-Sinos, "Nothing against the State, everything for the State, nothing outside the State", that and the group will to power define their values as well as anything.

Watch your six and keep your powder dry.

You can't take the sky from me

WILDBILL

Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by beenwithawarriorwoman:

By that, it would seem the best way to control the media is to add regulations, not relax them. The media needs to be completely independant of politics, not in bed with them. If you regulate the media right out of political arenas, you've cut them loose.

I reckon this is the point where our views diverge.

BEENWITHAWARRIORWOMAN

Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:15 PM

And this would be where I lose track of you! Nothing makes more sense to me - if you can't see the picture where the media and the government (whoever is in power) are in bed together, I can't... help... I don't know what to say. It's a symbiotic relationship - the media paints whoever is in power as positively as possible in a strength directly corelational to how much slack they get to corner market share. If it all works out, the media throws money the direction of said candidate the next election go-around. It's like that whole lichen thing - one gets water, the other makes food. Since they won't seperate themselves, it needs to be made more difficult for them to be in bed together.
You can't get the truth if the media is committed to spinning. Well, you can... but you have to look all over the gorram web to find it.

I guess what I'm arguing here is that it isn't the regulations that make the media answer to the government - at least not in terms of reporting/endorsement. It's money.

LAGOMORPH

Friday, April 15, 2005 1:45 AM

Totally repubilcian.

Who's in the White House. BUSH. BUSH. BUSH. BUSH

XENOCIDE

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by wildbill:
The ratio looks balanced to me - equal numbers to MY left and MY right on the radio dial.

Anyone that can attract and hold an audience (and therefore get sponsors) is free to do so and opine to their hearts content. Market forces can be cruel, but not to worry, welfare is available - its called N.P.R..

Equal to YOUR left and YOUR right and youve already described yourself as on the right. That aside... and in the spirit of this thread I range from minarchist to anarchosindicalist depending upon mood. Most of the time I work with the libertarians but politics make strange bedfellows so I donate to the Club for Growth, the ACLU, the Institute for Justice, the IHS, Americans United for the Separation of Church and State and since you mentioned it, NPR.
I resent the implication that NPR is radio welfare. Short of XM or other satelite radio NPR is the only directly consumer driven avenue of radio. NPR is sponsored by advertisers, grant makers and listeners. I'll leave it to you to find the percentage of Public radio's budget is sponsored by government funding. But it doesn't compare to the government subsidy corporate radio (corporate anything) receive from their special status (i.e. incorporation.)
I didn't vote for Bush because I am not sure he believes in liberty. I think he is dangerous to a free society. Felt the same way about Al Gore. Both parties in American seem to perfer more government and more restrictions on individuals. Granted they want different restrictions and different governments but both create less freedom for people to live, work and contract in.
There was a republican majority in congress and a republican president and government grew. Government has grown since democrats lost the civil war (think on it.) It will continue to grow until it becomes so suffocating that people throw it off. That's a sad thing, cause folk can breath with just the least bit of air. They may not like to but they'll do it.

My, I've rambled on. I don't really think of myself as a 'Conservative.' I've never been sure what our conservatives today were conserving.

-Eli

If voting mattered, they'd make it illegal.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:15 PM

In the truest sense of the word I am a conservative.
I want to conserve my personal freedoms, wildlife and wilderness, human lives, my money, and a whole lot more that is liberally being pissed away by the current supposedly conservative administration. But that's okay, the past supposedly liberal administrations have achieved similar levels of nonsense (sense to corperations).
"Government" is not about the individual.
And labels are meaningless.
Except one: Fireflyfan.

Rather see the right thing done for the wrong reason, than the wrong thing done for the right reason, 'cause it seems the right thing ain't never done for the right reason anyhow Chrisisall

CHANNAIN

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sheridanmovieguy:
This thread is not for bashing of any party. I just want to know who shares my political beliefs. I'm not here to get heckled, or to heckle anybody else. I just want to know who the Republicans are.

I'm a victim of the voracious ad campaign from the last election - I got bruises and everything. As a result, I'm still undecided and still awaiting my campaign apology.

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SIMONWHO

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:16 PM

I'm just about a Conservative. But I'm in the UK which means as a Conservative I believe in free health for all at point of use, state pensions, government assistance, gun control (and by gun control, I mean no guns), etc, etc. You know, the sort of policies that only most wacky left wing Democrats would propose in America.

Left and Right are all relative to the country you live in. I think it's just common sense that everyone in this country deserves (to use the NHS as an example) medical treatment if it is needed. On pretty much every level, it is the right thing to do. Of course, I don't agree with everything that the government funds (hence me being a Conservative) but frankly I'm at a loss when I see how little the richest country in the world is willing to give.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
but frankly I'm at a loss when I see how little the richest country in the world is willing to give.

This country (USA) has a long history of rugged individualism. Unfortunatly this also engenders a view of things not as they are, but as they should be.
If I can do it, anybody should, or more precisely "Anybody who can't find work ain't lookin' hard enough." Until something happens to them.

Make any sense?

Didn't think so Chrisisall

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 14, 2022 2:56 AM

Aussie Conservatives, France Conservative, British Conservatives, Canadian Conservative ... all seem done

Macron’s centrists could lose control as leftwingers rise in parliament election
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/13/macrons-centrists-could-
lose-dozens-of-parliament-seats-as-alliance-of-left-rises