Conservative Firefly Fans Unite!
POSTED BY: Sheridanmovieguy
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 14, 2022 02:56
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So, as a conservative, what you're saying is that the nice thing about Firefly is that it attacks such evils as social services, taxes, anti-discrimination laws, and gun laws. Yeah, I can see where those liberals are way off base.
But seriously, I think what you have here is an unfair characterization. For starters, the Firefly 'verse is hardly modern America - the problems and their solutions are not the same. Vigilantism works because the central government is not interested in keeping the common man's order. Our current government is a little too interested in that (and, in my opinion, going about it the wrong way). Just one example.
What I'm interested in from you folks is what makes the liberal-minded sound irrational and crazy (or wrong)? If I'm making a liberal argument, I try and point out (using sources) why and how it's bad for the country at large. All I ever seem to get in response from the conservative right relates to morals or religion. Which doesn't seem resonable to me. Maybe I'm just not a follower of universalist ethics... in any event, where do the two roads diverge? Where, to put it another way, do I step onto the road apparently less traveled?
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Your right, the Firefly 'verse isn't modern America and any direct comparison isn't possible. People living on a frontier do what they have to do without any political consideration.
The point of view from which we begin our politics is what makes us so very different. Conservatives (rightly so) view the world as individuals, liberals view the world collectively. Most conservatives make some concessions to the larger society and most liberals do opposite-wise (moderates on both sides, I guess), but as our world-views are different we're just not speaking the same language. This is where all the fun yelling and turning blue begins and nobody changes their mind.
When push comes to shove - the individual trumps society. This makes me a conservative.
The common man needs to keep his own order and the government needs to either help or get out of the way. If you think oppositely: you're a liberal. Oh, and wrong.
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I have a rebuttal quasi-prepared, WildBill, but this doesn't feel like the forum for it. I read above where you take the position of being a liberitarian - I've got some leanings that way myself, so I don't think we're really all that different... well, maybe. 
Thanks for responding - it's nice to get some kind of grasp on the other man's perspective. If you're interested in hearing what I have to say, I'll post it, but otherwise, simply thanks.
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Sure, I'm interested.
Be forewarned - I may disagree.
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I'm a Conservative, a "Hard-Core" one according to the political quiz I took. And I'm definately a Firefly fan. Registered independent, but certainly Republican when it comes to voting (maybe Libertarian or Constitution Party someday).
April 22, 2005...
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I figured I ought to post here, since I posted on that thread that said I voted for lies death and war, or something like that!
I am a conservative Republican and have identified myself as such since about the 6th grade. I usually split my ticket, based on the candidates, but I voted stright Republican this year for the first time. How about that.
I guess some might call me right-wing, since I listen to Rush Limbaugh, watch Fox News and was rather involved in this year's Indiana Governor's race.
I enjoy politics, (except in my workplace..long story) but I think this year was really ugly, at least on the left side of the aisle. I was really disappointed that the Democratic party acted like that (and still is to some degree) and it went all the way from the presidential race down to the county and city levels.
I hope the Dems head back towards the middle. I think we all remember when when Ted Kennedey wasn't the "conservative" senator from Massachusatts...
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I think you're applying a double standard. The left has been castigated for years by the likes of Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, the Federalist etc. We have been called traitors, Pinko commie fags, flip-floppers, Hollywood liberaloids, sinners, the damned... I'm sure you've heard even more than I have since you actually listen to these folks. So, what is your definition of "ugly"?
Edited to add: And this is why I wonder how rational some conservatives are! (Rational= to ratio, to think in relative proportions; in this case, to measure the amount of ugliness on one side versus another and come up with a realistic estimate)
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Now you're generalizing. You're taking the opinions of a few men and taking it as the opinion of the whole. Are you saying that there are no out spoken liberals? Just who the hell is Michael Moor then? Or Al Frankin, or Tim Robins, Meryil Streep, or Shaun Penn? Every side has out spoken people.
They are painting just as bad a picture of us as Hannity does of you, if not worse. I have been kicked in the shins for saying I support Bush. One of my fellow classmates told me if I was Republican I was either an inbred moron or a religious zealot, I am nether. Don't run away with the idea that you are the only ones suffering from generalities. We do too, and it isn't fair.
I understand that you have a different opinion, that's fine, but you guys aren't the only one's being picked on, you have lots of proponents, and a lot of them have big voices in the media, like the aforementioned actors, who use their Oscar acceptance speeches for political talk. That's not the point though, there are generalities, but liberals aren't the only ones who suffer from them.
Every episode of firefly is better than most of the movies I see for my profession, and that makes it special.
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Until recently, NONE of the people that you mentioned had regular network outlets where they could opine morning, noon and night. Al Franken is now the exception (on radio) and a very recent one at that. That throws off the ratio.
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The ratio looks balanced to me - equal numbers to MY left and MY right on the radio dial.
Anyone that can attract and hold an audience (and therefore get sponsors) is free to do so and opine to their hearts content. Market forces can be cruel, but not to worry, welfare is available - its called N.P.R..
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