Imponderables-Changes in the Wind

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MSB

Friday, November 16, 2007 3:18 PM

Hey all

Old thread is here
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=31415&m=559431#559431

Since we're coming up on new years...what resolutions will you make?

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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

KELKHIL

Friday, November 16, 2007 3:18 PM

*pounce*

Firsties!

Kelkhil

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

The Shirtless Forsaken

MSB

Friday, November 16, 2007 3:26 PM

Congratulations on firsties... so how's Laurelin doing?? I'm betting the two of you have only one new years resolution...survive new baby:)

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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

KELKHIL

Friday, November 16, 2007 3:37 PM

She is doing good. A little tired lately for some unknown reason.

Although I think I have been a bad person. I have taught the little one to run up to Mommy and rub her belly chanting "Buddha, Buddha, Buddha, Buddha, Buddha!" and then run away laughing!

I am a bad bad person!

Kelkhil

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

The Shirtless Forsaken

MSB

Friday, November 16, 2007 3:40 PM

ooh you git...if I could reach through this screen I would slap you!! Oh you are just so lucky Laurelin is sweet and all..
Give her a big hug from me and then you'd best be giving her a foot massage and make her dinner

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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

ZEEK

Friday, November 16, 2007 3:43 PM

I never do new year's resolutions. I guess being this cool there's just not a whole lot to change.

That or I'm too lazy to even think of what I need to change. Much less actually change something.

MSB

Friday, November 16, 2007 3:46 PM

LOL Zeek...the exalted one.. ( by the way perfection only tempts the gods to destroy you)

I forgot to put in my resolution... to live life on my terms and not live it making others happy

Oh and to dance naked in the rain...

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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

KELKHIL

Friday, November 16, 2007 3:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:

Oh and to dance naked in the rain...

*brings rain into the thread and a camera*

Oh and Laurelin just laughs when the little one does Buddha Belly rub. It is too cute to get angry about!

Kelkhil

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

The Shirtless Forsaken

MSB

Friday, November 16, 2007 3:49 PM

Which is why you had the wee one do it... tiny children can get away with all kind of things

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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

RUGBUG

Friday, November 16, 2007 3:54 PM

Woohoo, it's Friday. Yeehaw. And a good song (Walking After You - Foo Fighters) just came up on the random play...does this mean it could be a good day? I really hope so.

New Year's resolution would still be the same as always: be nicer. Well, nicer might not be the word, but be more accessible, maybe? I'm probably the opposite of MSB...I don't give a rat's ass about making other people happy. Maybe I should a little bit.

Quote:
Originally posted by Kelkhil:
Although I think I have been a bad person. I have taught the little one to run up to Mommy and rub her belly chanting "Buddha, Buddha, Buddha, Buddha, Buddha!" and then run away laughing!

OMG, that's funny.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

MSB

Friday, November 16, 2007 3:57 PM

Actually it's a weird dichotomy. Those people I am closest too I will do anything to make them happy... anyone else can take a flying leap off a cliff. So maybe it's just finding balance I need..

Oh and a reliable email sever at school...our is down...ARGH!! AGAIN!!!

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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

RUGBUG

Friday, November 16, 2007 4:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:
Actually it's a weird dichotomy. Those people I am closest too I will do anything to make them happy... anyone else can take a flying leap off a cliff. So maybe it's just finding balance I need..

Well, I'm more like that. I will help friends with anything they need, but I know that I can't make them happy...they have to be that themselves.

But, I don't let many people be my friends. Maybe that's what I need to work on. I don't know how to need people, so they don't feel needed or important to me. Yeah, maybe that's the way to describe it.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

MISTERG

Friday, November 16, 2007 4:48 PM

Hey all.

resolution: loose more weight and get to the target weight I want.

MsB: Since your email is down can you txt me please, need to ask some questions about the house paint!

ZEEK

Friday, November 16, 2007 5:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
Well, I'm more like that. I will help friends with anything they need, but I know that I can't make them happy...they have to be that themselves.

But, I don't let many people be my friends. Maybe that's what I need to work on. I don't know how to need people, so they don't feel needed or important to me. Yeah, maybe that's the way to describe it.

*high fives RugBug* I'm totally like that too. I guess I just don't like being dependent on others. I like having things under control. Though anytime my friends need me I make time for them.

HELL'S KITTEN

Friday, November 16, 2007 5:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:
I forgot to put in my resolution... to live life on my terms and not live it making others happy

Oh and to dance naked in the rain...

Excellent resolutions.
I'll join you on the last one, if that's all right, provided it's a very warm night; we can make a thing of it. ((snikkers))

GORRAMGROUPIE

Friday, November 16, 2007 5:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:
I forgot to put in my resolution... to live life on my terms and not live it making others happy

Oh and to dance naked in the rain...
Excellent resolutions.
I'll join you on the last one, if that's all right, provided it's a very warm night; we can make a thing of it. ((snikkers))

STOP THAT. You're making the male half of this forum get all weird and far off looking.

"It's no wonder that truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense." - Mark Twain

HELL'S KITTEN

Friday, November 16, 2007 5:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gorramgroupie:
STOP THAT. You're making the male half of this forum get all weird and far off looking.

Don't care.

KELKHIL

Friday, November 16, 2007 5:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:
I forgot to put in my resolution... to live life on my terms and not live it making others happy

Oh and to dance naked in the rain...
Excellent resolutions.
I'll join you on the last one, if that's all right, provided it's a very warm night; we can make a thing of it. ((snikkers))

*faints*

Kelkhil

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

The Shirtless Forsaken

GORRAMGROUPIE

Friday, November 16, 2007 5:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Quote:
Originally posted by gorramgroupie:
STOP THAT. You're making the male half of this forum get all weird and far off looking.
Don't care.

Well if you have no problem being the object of post adolesence fantasy, I got no problem with it not being a problem. BTW, this includes all the females here.

Hmmmmm, a naked rain dancing convention for all the shiney women here...

I'll be in my bunk.....for a while.

"It's no wonder that truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense." - Mark Twain

MSB

Friday, November 16, 2007 5:49 PM

HK...you've got it!! Naked rain dancing here we come ( and yes it will need to be warm) HUGS

Sure MrG

HUGS Zeek

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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

RUGBUG

Friday, November 16, 2007 5:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:

I'll join you on the last one, if that's all right, provided it's a very warm night; we can make a thing of it. ((snikkers))

Heh. I was thinking I would have a problem dancing nekkid in the rain because we RARELY get warm rain here. Rain is for the cold times in CA. I could/would like to dance nekkid in some warm rain.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

HELL'S KITTEN

Friday, November 16, 2007 6:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gorramgroupie:
Well if you have no problem being the object of post adolesence fantasy, I got no problem with it not being a problem. BTW, this includes all the females here.

((laughs))
How or when you fantasize over this 12pt font is neither my concern nor within my control. ^__^
((leaves all manner of things unwritten...))

GORRAMGROUPIE

Friday, November 16, 2007 6:56 PM

12 pt font can be very sexy, with a little italics.....

"It's no wonder that truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense." - Mark Twain

RIVERISMYGODDESS

Friday, November 16, 2007 7:20 PM

*runs in an bigassjimibearhuggles all the ladies in the thread*

Resolution: To make better use of my time.

~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics & Transportation Specialist - 76th IAB

It's unfortunate what we find pleasing to the touch and pleasing to the eye is seldom the same.

MSB

Friday, November 16, 2007 7:27 PM

*snuggles Jimi back

Have a good trip darlin'

Rugbug...you'll have to come to Dragon Con. There's almost always warm rain in Georgia during the summer..

HK... good thing we didn't suggest naked pole dancing in 14 font garamond... they might have gone off completely

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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, November 16, 2007 7:44 PM

Howdy all. All for the nekkid dancing in the rain. Seems *deleted for TMI purposes* this summer so dancing naked in the rain seems like a liberating thing for next summers free moments.

MSB

Friday, November 16, 2007 7:52 PM

oooh more naked dancing...this has a forsaken kind of flavor...yet warmer...giggle

____________________________________________

Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, November 16, 2007 7:59 PM

Warmer than Forsaken Flavor (R), how is that possible?

ZEEK

Friday, November 16, 2007 8:05 PM

psssh dancing is so lame. Can I just jump in puddles naked?

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, November 16, 2007 8:19 PM

Call me a hick (really I won't take offfense) but I always loved having fun with the night trail rides that usually lead to splashing through mud holes and ending in more TMI situations.

MISTERG

Friday, November 16, 2007 8:27 PM

NVG: you hick! :D

I just hope you're not talking about riding naked too...ouch!

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, November 16, 2007 8:31 PM

Naw, off roading in el pickup truck. Seems Ginny likes to get out for nice slow rides in dirty out of reach places and I'm more than happy to oblige. Seems I like to have extra company out in the desert so...

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, November 16, 2007 10:17 PM

Gotta git to my prevention group here in a bit. Hope to hear from y'all later. Seems I might be about doing payroll this weekend.

(Practices hyper active robot hugs for later)

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Friday, November 16, 2007 10:59 PM

Hey all. Could use some hugs today. I've mentioned before that the industry I work in is 90% male, and that it's often an uphill battle to get any sort of respect as a woman. I also have very few role models to look up to -- no woman has done what I want to do, professionally. But there are a few women whom I really look up to, and who are doing things now that I hope to incorporate into my career someday.

Today I found out that one of the only women in this industry that I idolize -- strike that, the only woman in this industry I want to be anything like -- has had the entire hill we've been fight up fall down on top of her. She is in a high-profile position. She worked many, many years to get to that position (I worked in the same office as her when I was just starting out, and was in awe then, too). She's very talented. She's also very pretty. She is lead on a high-profile project, so her company decided that she would be the one to do press interviews. Just the same as thousands of men before her.

Except that since she's a woman, and pretty, she gets called a whore and a slut. There's no way a pretty woman could possibly be qualified for her position, right? It's gone beyond name-calling on the internet now, though. I just found out that some dd out there made a pornographic "web comic" using her name, likeness, and product name. Straight up pornographic, as well as demeaning and derogatory. I've never seen her with so much as her shoulders uncovered, but because she made the mistake of being an attractive woman in this industry, there is now cartoon porn of her out there on the internet.

So I'm pissed, of course. I'm trying to think of a way to contact her and say "I've always looked up to you, you totally don't deserve anything like this, they're all a bunch of assholes." I might get a mutual friend to send some sort of message along for me. But I'm also feeling more than a bit disheartened. That is what I would have to deal with if I can go as far with my career as I want. I love my job and hate every other form of employment I've ever considered, but with this it's only barely worth it.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

ZEEK

Friday, November 16, 2007 11:09 PM

CK that totally sucks. I really can't say that I know how she feels or how you feel for that matter. To me internet idiots are just that and I would mostly try to ignore them. Though I'm not sure if that's the only people giving her a hard time.

All I can say is never let the jerks of the world stop you from going after your dreams. That's exactly what their comments are trying to do. Isn't living well said to be the best revenge? Maybe that's the right line of thinking here.

GORRAMGROUPIE

Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:16 AM

CK - that SUCKS! And for the pricks that are taking that kinda attitude aren't real men, or boys, or even worth the space they occupy. As a man, personally I cringe at the whord "whore" or other such words. And no one should assume that someone got to the top by neferious means. Grrr, stuff like this makes me unhappy to be male, I don't want to be lumped into the "male" population.

What profession do you work in, btw? I'm curious.
EDIT: And absolutly you should let her know you look up to her. It will let her know that the whole world isn't against her, and you might end up with a mentor or even a friend.

"It's no wonder that truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense." - Mark Twain

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:41 AM

Thanks for the support guys. ((Hugs)) Gorram, I actually have a Non-Disclosure Agreement that prevents me from saying what I do for a living, heh. The industry is high enough profile that even in my lowly position, I have quite a few Google hits on my name, and I've never even done an interview. So my close friends and family know what I do, but with people who don't know me personally, I'm suppose to keep quiet. And only my closest family members know what I'm working on (that has its very own NDA).

I do think I will email her, if I can figure out how to get her email address. I'm a member of a group for women in my industry, and some other members there have gone as far as to say that she is partially to blame for the comic, for putting herself out there like that. Hopefully she's getting more support to her face, at least.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

HELL'S KITTEN

Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:10 AM

(Edit)

Quote:
Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Hey all. Could use some hugs today.
...
Today I found out that one of the only women in this industry that I idolize -- strike that, the only woman in this industry I want to be anything like -- has had the entire hill we've been fight up fall down on top of her.
...
Except that since she's a woman, and pretty, she gets called a whore and a slut. There's no way a pretty woman could possibly be qualified for her position, right? It's gone beyond name-calling on the internet now, though.

*eHug* Aw, sweetie, I'm sorry. =(

I know what it's like to work in a male-dominated profession, though I suspect it's much easier for me, since it's not exactly "high profile."

I think, though, that this is the most important thing:

Quote:
She is in a high-profile position. She worked many, many years to get to that position (I worked in the same office as her when I was just starting out, and was in awe then, too). She's very talented. She's also very pretty. She is lead on a high-profile project, so her company decided that she would be the one to do press interviews. Just the same as thousands of men before her.

In my mind, there are always going to be two "up-hill struggles." The first being internal, the second being external, as it relates to the company and position itself. The internal struggle is getting peers, colleagues, and management to recognize the fantastic abilities that are equivalent to - if not superior than - your male peers. This, I think, is the only one anyone ever has any hope of winning, as it's a much smaller scale. It allows you to pursue your career, advance, and branch out to improve yourself... aaaand collect a paycheck while you're at it.

The second - the external struggle - is the one you have no hope of winning. Ever. It's a battle of perceptions, old prejudices, and egos. People outside your company or profession, who will never actually see the hard work you put in and the results of that hard work, will always see only what they want to see. There will always be assholes. There will always be the unbelieving, insecure, callous cocksuckers who don't know or care how hard you work or how far you've come or how well you've done at your job; their only function is to try to bring you down in order to make themselves feel even the tiniest bit better. This is a fact of humanity that no one will be able to change.

Confusing these two, I think, is quite detrimental, as the first you can change and the second you cannot; fighting against something you cannot change will only bring you down physically, mentally, and emotionally. (Which is what I've been doing my entire career, so... you know... do as I say, not as I do *snikker*)

So, considering that this She of yours has risen to the top to lead an apparently important project and was chosen by Her company to be the face of things... I'd say she's won the internal up-hill struggle: She's made her impression and proven to her peers, colleagues, and management that She can do her job so damn well, and they trust her to do it. That, to me, is the most important. Fuck everyone else. To me, She's succeeded and even though what pigfuckers may be saying about her is shit, it shouldn't deter you or Her and it shouldn't make you think that you're losing.

(And if She's of the inclination, regarding some of the more malicious Interwub pr0n using her name and image, She could always seek the opinion of a Lawyer {libel, defamation, or whatever the proper term would be}.)

I hope some of that made sense......

...

OH! Also! Zeek is completely wrong (see below), obviously. I've figured out what you do for a living. You are the American, female version of Q from James Bond, and you rock. Really, it is the only reasonable conclusion. ^^

ZEEK

Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Gorram, I actually have a Non-Disclosure Agreement that prevents me from saying what I do for a living, heh. The industry is high enough profile that even in my lowly position, I have quite a few Google hits on my name, and I've never even done an interview.

I figured it out!! CK is in the CIA! It's obvious that she...wait a second. Hmmm some big guys in suits and sunglasses are pounding on the door. That's odd it's night time what do they need those sunglaaa......

I, Zeek, do hereby affirm that I am in no way under the impression that CK is a member of the CIA.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Saturday, November 17, 2007 5:00 AM

((Hugs)) HK. Thank you, you are completely right. I try to focus mostly on that internal fight, and remind myself often that I tend to have it pretty easy, as both my father and my husband work in the same industry. It helps me work with the men better, I think.

At the same time, I do think there are small gains to be made in the external fight. That group that I mentioned, for women in this industry, is focused on doing what we can in the external fight as well as the internal fight. We have made some gains. Our percentage has doubled in the last 15 years (from only 5%!), and we've almost completely won the fight against "girly posters" in the work place. We work to get girls interested in our industry, and college women to seriously consider it as a career. And every now and then, it looks like the public is growing up a bit, and then something like this happens. I had high hopes for this situation in particular, because She does have such an impressive resume, and has always been very modest and classy in the way she dresses and carries herself. She's not the sort who would ever pose for Maxim or whatever to get attention as a pretty girl in a 90% male industry. And like I said, if I idolize anyone I idolize her, so this hit me a bit hard.

But you are right: she won the internal battle, and is obviously successful and respected by her coworkers. If that is real respect, something like this won't make them lose any respect for her at all. And I guess you have to have thick skin if you're going to be in any sort of high-profile position -- you can't worry about what some goon on the internet says or draws. The whole thing just sort of knocked the breath out of me. And the other women in our group backbiting and saying that maybe she deserved it because obviously she must have sought out all this attention really got to me. Women who are supposedly behind the cause of advancing both the internal and external fights questioning whether she is actually qualified for a position like that. Disgusting IMO (and I told them so!).

Her company has already served at least one Cease and Desist on her behalf, and I think she might have a defamation case against the "artist". I don't know where the line between public and private figure is legally, but this is some loser in his parents' basement, even bringing the suit against him would be justice, I think.

As far as what I do for a living, the small bit of work I have done for the government has been a bit more, uh, theoretical. Theoretical and first application at the most, not field ready. But "spinning mirror" jokes (5 points if you can name the movie) abounded during those dev cycles.

And if I was Quette, wouldn't I work for the CIA? Q = British = MI6. Quette = American = CIA?

Thanks guys, feeling much better in general now.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

MISTERG

Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:13 PM

Gods CK that's horrible *hug* sorry to hear about it. At times I'm so disgusted by males and especially the derangement that goes into corporate culture.

For gods sakes people should only be judged on their ability to do their job properly, not sex, race, etc. And for that all to happen to someone who clearly knows what the hell she's doing it.. it just brings down the view of the human race yet again :(

GORRAMGROUPIE

Saturday, November 17, 2007 10:42 PM

I agree! Let's kill off the human waste errr.. race! Long live the browncoats!

"It's no wonder that truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense." - Mark Twain

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, November 19, 2007 12:57 AM

Popped in 'cause of weekend work and wow. Not to say I face the same scrutiny,but in an office and field occupied by predominantly women, I can understand a little. What sucks is that women face so much more BS is so many more fields of profession than I can imagine.

Seeing my collegues as equals is something applied and never really thought upon. It's when people, regardless of sex, rise above the poision arrows of others when we can truly appreciate their sacrifice and endurance. Best wishes and blessings to your role model CK. Strength and courage to all you incredible people who endure the dumb asses of our race.

RIVERISMYGODDESS

Monday, November 19, 2007 1:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Could use some hugs today.
< snip >
I'm trying to think of a way to contact her and say "I've always looked up to you, you totally don't deserve anything like this, they're all a bunch of assholes."

*bigassjimibearhuggles CK*

I think the words you used right there would be the perfect way to say it. I'd send her a note through the mutual friend saying just that.

As for the miserable f*cks that did it, well, there are lots of things I want to say to them, and lots of things I would want to do to them (stupid law enforcement, getting in the way of my fun). Mostly I think they are just petty and jealous.

*bigassjimibearhuggles CK again*

Quote:
Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
some other members there have gone as far as to say that she is partially to blame for the comic, for putting herself out there like that.

This really f*ckin' irks me. I can't put the hateful feelings into words right now, but it does indeed make me very mad.

Oh yeah, and RIMG *heart* HK, a whole lot. :)

~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics & Transportation Specialist - 76th IAB

It's unfortunate what we find pleasing to the touch and pleasing to the eye is seldom the same.

MSB

Monday, November 19, 2007 3:06 PM

HUGS CK sweety... all I can say is don't let the bastards get you down. You know who you are and what you can do. I'm with HK I think your role model already won the battle proving to those she works for and with that she can do the job. As for those women in your group.. what is wrong with them that they would fall back on the "she is asking for it" theory... Because it's just wrong to be an attractive woman ????
Don't you listen to a word of it. There will always be discrimination, but the only thing you can do about it is prove your own worth and if others can't recognize it know that it's their failing not yours!! Chin up sweety!!

HUGS HK... so did you like the new plan?? My only concern is do we need a blindfold or just some kind of holding pen??

*snuggles Jimi*

Zeek- we did warn you not to be too sharp with your deductive reasoning... HUGS

____________________________________________

Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

ZEEK

Monday, November 19, 2007 3:59 PM

Happy Monday folks.

Here's the culinary experiment I was working on last week:

Churros! This was the rough draft test run. The final product turned out even better. Considering this involved hot oil I figured I was going to burn the apartment to the ground. I had the fire extinguisher and a big box o baking soda at the ready just in case. Amazingly things went fairly smoothly. They were a big hit at the potluck and clearly I was the most dedicated to bringing something that went with the main course of enchiladas. Notable lame foods that were brought were lasagna, hot wings, mashed potatoes, coleslaw. I mean seriously folks how do those go with enchiladas?

MSB

Monday, November 19, 2007 4:02 PM

eew mashed potatos and enchiladas...similar eeew to the coleslaw and lasagne.

Ok so incredibly impressed about the churros Zeek.. you'll have to share the recipe!!!

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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

ZEEK

Monday, November 19, 2007 4:16 PM

http://www.cooking-mexican-recipes.com/churro-recipe.html

That's the one I used. They tasted much yummier the second time around too. I think it helped that I got the oil to the right temperature. The first time I was more nervous about going over so it was about 60 degrees cooler than it should have been.

You may also require one friend who knows where to purchase a decorating tube thingy. Your mileage may vary on that part.

MSB

Monday, November 19, 2007 4:19 PM

Wow so cool!!!! HUGS thanks Zeek:)

____________________________________________

Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, November 19, 2007 5:56 PM

'Morning ponderers.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Monday, November 19, 2007 6:10 PM

'sup?

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, November 19, 2007 6:19 PM

Hey there woman. Glad to see ya about. So what ya up to?

RIVERISMYGODDESS

Monday, November 19, 2007 6:23 PM

howdy nvg.

it looks like i will not be headed out that way in april. i am going to look at it again, and it's still possible, just not entirely likely.

i finally had some sailor jerry's more'n 2 months after dragoncon.

~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics & Transportation Specialist - 76th IAB

i am just a worthless liar.
i am just an imbecile.
i will only complicate you.
trust in me and fall as well.
i will find a center in you.
i will chew it up and leave.
i will work to elevate you.
just enough to bring you down.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, November 19, 2007 6:36 PM

What's goin' on? Seems there is alot of that happening lately. Think it's a sore time for folks. Hope things shore up for the holidays.

And more Sailor huh. I love the stuff but rarely drink it. Had too much last summer and really want to save it for special occasions.

(Secret BCMW thingy and stuffs)

RIVERISMYGODDESS

Monday, November 19, 2007 6:45 PM

zeph and i were gonna come out there, but he has to go to a wedding with his fiance then, so i have to find someone to go out there with me, if i go.

i didn't get any sailor jerry at con, as i passed out asleep the night that it was mainly consumed before it got to where i was.

*secret BCMW handshake thingy*

~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics & Transportation Specialist - 76th IAB

i am just a worthless liar.
i am just an imbecile.
i will only complicate you.
trust in me and fall as well.
i will find a center in you.
i will chew it up and leave.
i will work to elevate you.
just enough to bring you down.

RUGBUG

Monday, November 19, 2007 7:07 PM

Howdy ponderers.

CK - send this woman a note. Encouragement and affirmation is usually welcome from any source. Just a little comment, even from a stranger, can add back some of what that lameass is trying to take away. It's never bad to know you've influenced someone's life in a positive way.

In other news, I'm apparently a lily white-assed pathetic loser because I didn't respond to a guy's e-mails on myspace. That's interesting to me. How did he know my ass is lily white?

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, November 19, 2007 7:22 PM

(Chuckles and walks out before saying anything of consequence)

RIVERISMYGODDESS

Monday, November 19, 2007 7:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
(Chuckles and walks out before saying anything of consequence)

i'm with you, bruv.

*follows NVG out*

*runs back in real quick, hugs RugBug into the air, then runs back out*

~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics & Transportation Specialist - 76th IAB

i am just a worthless liar.
i am just an imbecile.
i will only complicate you.
trust in me and fall as well.
i will find a center in you.
i will chew it up and leave.
i will work to elevate you.
just enough to bring you down.

MSB

Monday, November 19, 2007 7:40 PM

HUGS FMF..squee so good to see you sweety:)

Hmm Rugbug have you noticed any unusual noises outside your window??

*hugs Jimi tightly*

HUGS NV ..

____________________________________________

Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

ZEEK

Monday, November 19, 2007 8:07 PM

I'm sleepy. There's no one in the office today. I wanna go home. Waaah!

MSB

Monday, November 19, 2007 8:13 PM

Hmm no one in the office?? Sleep there :) Just paint eyes on your eyelids.... giggle

____________________________________________

Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

HELL'S KITTEN

Monday, November 19, 2007 8:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
zeph and i were gonna come out there, but he has to go to a wedding with his fiance then,

((blink, blink))
Wha...? Whe...?
Huh.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, November 19, 2007 8:19 PM

Okay folks. Question. As MSB can concur, I have some energy that really needs to be spent. Seems things are so twisty and strange in my part of the 'verse that it is just time to but some shit down. The energy I speak of is the sort burned in battle or bed (or both depending on how you look at it). Even now I can feel the bottom of my heart hardening becoming more calloused and indifferent. What to do when the one that wants you back can only take limited doses...

Side thought: Scoring points and playing games are for children. I don't care to score points on my behalf for a piece of ass. My type is all or nothing, out for blood, fight hard because someday there will be no fight left. Irked because of the games people play with eachother and the benefit of staying out of them.

Random venting. Isn't it great!

Oh, and WTF is up with the sky? I usually look up at night and feel like the stars are close enought to touch. Lately they feel like the voices of people long past recalled in residual memory.

RUGBUG

Monday, November 19, 2007 8:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:

Hmm Rugbug have you noticed any unusual noises outside your window??

Heheee. And Wheee for jimibear hugs. :D

Guy was a little creepy to start off with. Or maybe not, I just don't understand myspace to understand how he 'found' me. He said he thought I was a relative...but the name he used isn't used ANYWHERE on my space, nor am I a part of any group that uses the name. But it was a name I would know in a different form....all very strange.

Anywho, he deleted me as a friend. He won't be missed though, 'cause all he ever did was muck up my bulletins with slightly off colored jokes.

I really don't get myspace. Maybe because I'm not good at chatting with people I don't know? I have a hard enough time keeping in contact with good friends from high school and college....

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

RUGBUG

Monday, November 19, 2007 8:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Quote:
Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
zeph and i were gonna come out there, but he has to go to a wedding with his fiance then,
((blink, blink))
Wha...? Whe...?
Huh.

That was my reaction, too. I figured I must've missed something in another thread.

Zephyr...are congratulations in order?

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

ZEEK

Monday, November 19, 2007 8:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
I have some energy that really needs to be spent.

Boys night out at the strip club it is. How soon can you be in Austin?

I'm actually not much help on this one. I'm far too content in my day to day life. I never seem to get worked up to that point. It's just sorta the way I've always been. It has its advantages and its disadvantages.

HELL'S KITTEN

Monday, November 19, 2007 8:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Okay folks. Question. As MSB can concur, I have some energy that really needs to be spent.

Buy a vibrator or rent a hooker.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, November 19, 2007 8:31 PM

I actually have envied you for a bit Zeek. I can see that you are content in your everyday living. I don't get to make Churros. I get to look at them through glass in the Panadaria wondering how they tast and settle for a piece of soft cake bread and a carne esada burrito that I always buy insted. FUSK THAT!!! I think it's time for carnitas or some albondigas. And I'm getting my churro gorrammit!

ADD: Sorry HK, not my sort of thing. Shadow boxing works up a sweat but doesn't grant the tenderizing or the tingly sensation in your nose like a real sparring match.

ZEEK

Monday, November 19, 2007 8:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
I actually have envied you for a bit Zeek.

As I said it has advantages and disadvantages. The disadvantage is that I don't get off my butt and try to change things that could use improving. Like finding a girlfriend would be a nice upgrade, but I can't be bothered to go through all that hassle. For you there's motivation to get out there and obviously there have been ups and downs to it, but come on who doesn't like riding roller coasters from time to time? The ups and downs are what make it fun.

So, basically envy right back at ya.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, November 19, 2007 9:41 PM

(Thinks another alter ego might be present on the board)

Not to worry. Mr. Russel Jones (AKA Ol' Dirty Bastard) is the main alter ego. Yeah, I'm a bit of a dirtbag at heart.

RIVERISMYGODDESS

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Quote:
Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
zeph and i were gonna come out there, but he has to go to a wedding with his fiance then,
((blink, blink))
Wha...? Whe...?
Huh.

they announced it to us saturday night at the shindig. we were all outside for a firefight/smokebreak and niki put the hat made out of a tree on zeph's head and gave him a wooden bowl of guinness. there was dancing, but it was mostly from us shooting niki with airsoft rounds.

they plan to have the wedding on the thursday night of dragoncon.

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Boys night out at the strip club it is.

paying money to be teased isn't all that appealing, personally.

~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics & Transportation Specialist - 76th IAB

i am just a worthless liar.
i am just an imbecile.
i will only complicate you.
trust in me and fall as well.
i will find a center in you.
i will chew it up and leave.
i will work to elevate you.
just enough to bring you down.

MISTERG

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Boys night out at the strip club it is.

paying money to be teased isn't all that appealing, personally.

Ya know I've always felt the exact same way. Glad to see I'm not the only one with that mid-set.

MSB

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:28 PM

Morning all...

HUGS to Zeph and Phoebe ( I've been bouncing around squeeing for days)

NV- HUGS and I've said this enough... go get laid and not with her... you know who I'm talking about.

*snuggles Jimi*

Which is why you didn't have strippers at your bachelor party MrG. :)

HUGS Rugbug creepy...

____________________________________________

Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

RIVERISMYGODDESS

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:40 PM

*snuggles MsB*

~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics & Transportation Specialist - 76th IAB

i am just a worthless liar.
i am just an imbecile.
i will only complicate you.
trust in me and fall as well.
i will find a center in you.
i will chew it up and leave.
i will work to elevate you.
just enough to bring you down.

DANCINGNEKO

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:49 PM

*immediately distracts the glomp* *goes for a hug instead*

CK: Let her know...and right now I suck at expressing myself in words on that issue, but "what they *points up* said." *hugs* if you need one.

Congrats to Zeph and PheobeRosetta!

Wish I could contribute much, but lots-o-work so...*waves to everyone*

RIVERISMYGODDESS

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:50 PM

*pounces on neko and hugs the hell outta her*

~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics & Transportation Specialist - 76th IAB

i am just a worthless liar.
i am just an imbecile.
i will only complicate you.
trust in me and fall as well.
i will find a center in you.
i will chew it up and leave.
i will work to elevate you.
just enough to bring you down.

MSB

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:57 PM

Ah yes Neko the joy of students right before a break... where is that tranquilizer spray anyway??HUGS

*snuggles Jimi*

____________________________________________

Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

RUGBUG

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 6:27 PM

Shhh, please. All this chatter is distracting me from very important things today.

So I guess congrats are in order for Zeph and Phoebe. Very cool!

'Neko and MSB, I'm not in school and there is the buzz of holiday anticipation around here. We're all having a hard time actually getting anything done. I'm sure tomorrow will be even worse.

In sad news, I think I decided last night that I am going to sell Show. It makes my heart hurt to think about it, but it is looking like it is the best decision for both of us. I haven't fully grasped the ramifications of this decision yet...and I'm not sure I want to. Denial isn't really a bad thing, is it?

I'm also this close *holds up thumb and pointer finger* to selling the Jeep and getting a Yaris. I love the Jeep, but it is SOOOOO incredibly expensive these days. I'm putting $60 of gas in it every 6 days or so...and it only has a 19 gallon tank, so it's not like I'm driving a ton. I could sell the Jeep, get the Yaris AND have money left over (around $5k). It's hard because the Jeep is my dream car. When people do those silly 'if you were a car what type would you be?' games, I would be my Jeep.

God, so many adult decisions at one time. I'm just trying to keep my head down so no other 'be responsible' decisions come up right now. I don't think I could take another. I want to curl up in a ball and be a kid....keep my beloved little pony forever, whether or not I don't always enjoy riding him, and keep the gas guzzler of a car...pocketbook be damned.

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

DANCINGNEKO

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 6:48 PM

*hugs RIMG*
*hugs RB* I'm sorry to hear about Show. *hugs again*
('scuse the stupidity here) Isn't there a mini-Jeep type? (Yeah, I'd love to have been able to afford a RAV-4 type vehicle, but funding and finances kibosh'd that one.)

MsB: I wish it were the kids...then there'd be a reasonable solution. It isn't though. 'neko-> I'm so slammed I barely recognize the holidays other than "oh, I get a day off from trying to teach and do eveythig else? Cool...guess I'm doing everything else. "

*hugs everyone else* *misses myGeek and real-life hugs badly*

RIVERISMYGODDESS

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 6:57 PM

*hugs rugbug*

i have always wanted a jeep wrangler. i might finally be getting one next year. i want one of the original sized ones though, possibly the extended ones, and a hell no to the 4 door one that is just wishing that it was a hummer.

sorry to hear that you have to sell your horse.

*hugs neko*

*snuggles MsB*

~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics & Transportation Specialist - 76th IAB

i am just a worthless liar.
i am just an imbecile.
i will only complicate you.
trust in me and fall as well.
i will find a center in you.
i will chew it up and leave.
i will work to elevate you.
just enough to bring you down.

MSB

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 6:59 PM

HUGs Rugbug...oh that's so hard sweety. I'm so sorry... being a grown up sucks wide!!

I love my Jeep Liberty... it's red and her name is Mavis

HUGS Neko- oh honey that's just bad...you'll burn out. Just leave something undone... pick the thing least important and drop it.. it's ok to not get everything done..HUGS

*snuggles Jimi*

____________________________________________

Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

MISTERG

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:03 PM

So sorry to hear about your horse RB *hug* but if it's for the best ...

As for Jeeps yeah love them, but the gas costs are killing me.

RUGBUG

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:

i have always wanted a jeep wrangler. i might finally be getting one next year. i want one of the original sized ones though, possibly the extended ones, and a hell no to the 4 door one that is just wishing that it was a hummer.

I have an TJ Wrangler ('02) before they came out with the Unlimited (extended) and the four door. I think the other two are sort of funny looking...although I think the 4-door is cute enough...but it doesn't look like a Jeep to me.

One thing holding me back with selling the Jeep is that I don't like the newer ones, so purchasing another down the road means getting the new squarer (if that's possible...mine is already quite box-shaped, but with rounded corners) version. Also the fact that Wranglers hold their value REALLY well means that I can't just decide in a year that I don't really like the Yaris and want another Jeep.

It's similar to my thoughts about moving out of California. I could move to another state and probably be better off than I am here...but how do you move back when the cost of living is so much more expensive? My Jeep is the California of cars.

(BTW, I only mean Wrangler when I say Jeep. The other models are just Jeep's answer to the SUV craze. They have the name stamped on them, but they're not really Jeeps.

Cherokee = Explorer, 4Runner, Pathfinder. Liberty = Escape, Rav4, etc.

There is only one Jeep.

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

MSB

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:58 PM

HUGS Rugbug...my brother in law would just love hearing you talk like that. He is part owner of a jeep dealership... so naturally we all drive jeeps...( except my mom who's a rebel and went with a PT Cruiser)

____________________________________________

Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

MISTERG

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:23 PM

Jeep Cherokee: 1974
Ford Explorer: 1991

:p

Don't cap on da Cherokee!

RUGBUG

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:
HUGS Rugbug...my brother in law would just love hearing you talk like that. He is part owner of a jeep dealership... so naturally we all drive jeeps...( except my mom who's a rebel and went with a PT Cruiser)

Well, then. You'll have to hook me up when it's time to come back to Jeep.

I'm going to miss the 'Jeep Wave'. A little Wrangler solidarity, if you will.

As for the PT Cruiser, I rented one when I drove to Fresno for the EqualityNow screening of Serenity. I wasn't impressed. It had a very strange feel...and the blindspots. Oh, my. Plus, the magnets I made (Logo and BDM or BUST!) didn't stick to it. But that could be the fault of the magnetic paper and not the car.

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

RUGBUG

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MisterG:
Jeep Cherokee: 1974
Ford Explorer: 1991

:p

Don't cap on da Cherokee!

Okay...

Cherokee = Jeep's answer to the station wagon.

(Actually, I did really like my friend's Grand Wagoneer. It was old and had wood panelling. That sucker was cool.

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

MISTERG

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
Okay...

Cherokee = Jeep's answer to the station wagon.

LOL! That I'll buy :D

MSB

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:42 PM

So this is Jeep wars...

LOL yeah I'll hook you up Rugbug...Mike gets great deals for our friends:)

____________________________________________

Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

RUGBUG

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:58 PM

Why is the emoticon not working? I need some . How am I to properly display that I am being slightly bratty but just havin' some fun without the

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

GORRAMGROUPIE

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
I need some .

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

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"It's no wonder that truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense." - Mark Twain

MSB

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:46 PM

So you're toungeless ???

____________________________________________

Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

MISTERG

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:48 PM

*resists urge to sing Tongue Tied*

RUGBUG

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:31 PM

Horny Browncoats? There be no horns on this browncoat.

Quote:
Originally posted by MisterG:
*resists urge to sing Tongue Tied*

I keep singing 'Speechless' by School of Fish. Anyone else know that song?

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

HELL'S KITTEN

Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
Cherokee = Jeep's answer to the station wagon.

I love my Cherokee.
The Wrangler is a bit too useless when it comes to hauling shit around, so I decided against it. ((shrug))

GORRAMGROUPIE

Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
Horny Browncoats? There be no horns on this browncoat.

Quote:
Originally posted by MisterG:
*resists urge to sing Tongue Tied*

I keep singing 'Speechless' by School of Fish. Anyone else know that song?

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

Don't know the song, but do remember School of Fish - 3 Strange Days!

"It's no wonder that truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense." - Mark Twain

RIVERISMYGODDESS

Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
Why is the emoticon not working? I need some . How am I to properly display that I am being slightly bratty but just havin' some fun without the

*tried to hold back but just isn't strong enough*

I got some

for ya darlin'.

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
I love my Cherokee.
The Wrangler is a bit too useless when it comes to hauling shit around, so I decided against it. ((shrug))

That is a good point. I do tend to make a lot of trips where I haul people and their shit around. Definitely something to think about.

MsB, you think your brother-in-law would make long distance used vehicle sales?

~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics & Transportation Specialist - 76th IAB

i am just a worthless liar.
i am just an imbecile.
i will only complicate you.
trust in me and fall as well.
i will find a center in you.
i will chew it up and leave.
i will work to elevate you.
just enough to bring you down.

RUGBUG

Wednesday, November 21, 2007 3:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
Cherokee = Jeep's answer to the station wagon.
I love my Cherokee.
The Wrangler is a bit too useless when it comes to hauling shit around, so I decided against it. ((shrug))

That's a mighty fine lookin' Cherokee.

Yes, the Wrangler is absolutely useless for carrying crap around. I haven't had the back seat in my Jeep for about 4 years. I finally gave up on the 'roll and tumble' option because the seat was always rolled and tumbled. Just took the sucker out and haven't looked back since.

When people ask me if I like my Wrangler b/c they are thinking of getting one, my standard answer is 'You have to really WANT one and you'll love it. Otherwise it has too many limitations.'

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

RUGBUG

Wednesday, November 21, 2007 3:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
Why is the emoticon not working? I need some . How am I to properly display that I am being slightly bratty but just havin' some fun without the

*tried to hold back but just isn't strong enough*

I got some for ya darlin'.

Ah, you say the sweetest things.

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

MSB

Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:44 PM

HUGS Rugbug... nope on the song, but oh well not much for listening to the radio

MrG just remember it's in a key you're not familiar with... :)

HUGS Jimi I'm sure he would darlin...
( now I'm resisting tongue comments )

HUGS HK yup it's why I have the Liberty... more stuff than space. I do miss my Cherokee but MrG takes good care of Stewart.

____________________________________________

Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

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