Vermont votes to impeach

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DAYVE

Wednesday, March 7, 2007 5:42 PM

Take it to the streets people… at least some folks have the cajones….

Vermont Votes to Impeach Bush/Cheney
John Nichols
Wed Mar 7, 7:36 AM ET

When Vermont Governor Jim Douglas, a Republican with reasonably close ties to President Bush, asked if there was any additional business to be considered at the town meeting he was running in Middlebury, Ellen McKay popped up and proposed the impeachment of Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.
The governor was not amused. As moderator of the annual meeting, he tried to suggest that the proposal to impeach -- along with another proposal to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq -- could not be voted on.

But McKay, a program coordinator at Middlebury College, pressed her case. And it soon became evident that the crowd at the annual meeting shared her desire to hold the president to account. So Douglas backed down.

"It became clear that no one was going home until they had the chance to discuss the resolutions and vote on them," explained David Rosenberg, a political science professor at Middlebury College. "And being a good politician, he allowed the vote to happen."

By an overwhelming voice vote, Middlebury called for impeachment.

...sigh... if only it were that easy

PENGUIN

Wednesday, March 7, 2007 5:49 PM

YAY Vermont!

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

DAYVE

Wednesday, March 7, 2007 6:49 PM

not many responses... (thanks for yours Mr. Penguin), there must be either A) a new american idol, or B) McDonalds has brought back McRib....

hate to say, but it seems to me that we've become a nation of selfish, overweight, apathetic whiners.. with the attention span of a gnat…but maybe that’s the American dream…

MAL4PREZ

Wednesday, March 7, 2007 9:44 PM

This is why, despite the long winters and nonexistence of spring, I love Vermont! Look - democracy! Look - "normal" people being heard! Look - policy that doesn't come directly from lobbying and funding campaigns!

Yay! Go us!

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SOUPCATCHER

Wednesday, March 7, 2007 9:53 PM

Via Kagro X's DKos diary (* eta: actually, not diary, front pager) comes this article, "Vermont: 36 towns call for impeachment probe of president" ( http://www.vermontguardian.com/local/032007/TownMeetingImpeach.shtml ).

Looks like 38 towns voted on impeachment and about a half dozen more decided not to vote on impeachment. So, what's that, 36/44, that's B minus type work. Pretty good for Bush.

More than eighty percent of the towns where the topic of impeachment came up voted to impeach. That's gotta leave a mark.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, March 7, 2007 10:00 PM

It could be worse. Bush coulda gotten his feet blown off in Iraq.

This is just massive public opinion against him.

What do he care Chrisisall

HERO

Wednesday, March 7, 2007 10:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
This is just massive public opinion against him.

Tiny little meetings in a tiny little state. I note for the record that this is not the first time. I seem to remember them impeaching Bush almost every year...they also voted to move the Yankees to Birmingham...and to eliminate the number 17 and the letters H and Q. Fortunately the plan to physically remove Vermont to a spot between Florida and Cuba was narrowly voted down.

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AURAPTOR

Wednesday, March 7, 2007 10:22 PM

Impeachment , and what were the charges ? I saw none posted. I guess Bush is guilty of being President while the opposing party throws a temper tantrum like a 5 yr old ? Wow. That's serious. So, the party of partisan bickering is alive and well in Vermont, a state which is known mostly for it's changing leaves, and not a hell of a lot else.

Think winters up there make folks cranky ? They should be glad for global warming then!

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CAUSAL

Wednesday, March 7, 2007 10:27 PM

Heya Soup. Just curious what you imagine the charges might be if an actual impeachment case were brought.

And no offense to anyone here, but I have to say that I, too, find it comical that this vote is being taken seriously.
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SOUPCATCHER

Wednesday, March 7, 2007 10:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Heya Soup. Just curious what you imagine the charges might be if an actual impeachment case were brought.

And no offense to anyone here, but I have to say that I, too, find it comical that this vote is being taken seriously.

I agree that these votes will not be taken seriously. There is a disconnect between what the people on the ground want and what their representatives in DC want. It is pretty clear that the DLC branch of the Democratic Party and pretty much the entire Republican Party do not want to change the status quo. Even if their status quo is one that has gotten progressively more and more out of step with that experienced by the vast majority of Americans.

Should these votes be taken seriously? That's a different question. For me personally, I'm ambivalent on the topic of impeachment. The unitary executive theory that this administration has implemented disturbs me greatly. I think that many decisions were made, based on this idea of the unitary executive, and implemented that clearly broke the law (FISA, extraordinary rendition, torture, preemptive invasion, habeus corpus, etc.). The idea that the President is above all laws, and makes up his own laws simply by his actions, frankly sucks and goes against my perception of what this country stands for. However, there is a substantial minority in this country who disagree with me and are willing to abdicate much to this President in return for the perception that he is making them safer (somewhere around a quarter of the population, if the polls are any indication).

Do I think the President and Vice President have committed impeachable acts? Absolutely. Do I think that there is any chance at all that they will be impeached, given who is responsible for the impeaching? Nope. Would a failed impeachment lend legitimacy to the illegal acts that this administration has committed? Unfortunately I think this is a yes. And that's why I don't even want to go there.

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