The predictions thread
POSTED BY: kpo
UPDATED: Wednesday, August 26, 2026 18:54
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Quote:Um, the far right HAS gained control of Ukraine's internal security. I guess you didn't notice?
Uh-huh... You were sure that ... that far-right Svoboda would gain control of Ukrainian internal security...?
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After the appointment of the deputy commander of the punitive regiment "Azov" Vadim Trojan to the position of deputy head of the Department of Internal Affairs in Kiev region, outright fascists with swastika tattoos settled in the Kiev Regional Police Department. In the photo they are in the lecture hall of the Kiev regional PD.
The picture was posted by a known Nazi and schizophrenic Artem Bonov on his Vkontakte page, along with a video, where the assembled Nazi punishers heed Patriotic poems. Regiment "Azov" has not distinguished itself in combat, but became famous for lawlessness in the occupied territories of Donbass, primarily in Mariupol. Now they are being prepared to protect the order in Kiev region.
And - Yep, I made predictions that haven't come true (yet). But I noticed that you anticipated none of this. You were presuming that Ukraine would slide gracefully and gratefully into the bosom of the EU?
My guess is that my guesses are better than your predictions.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Um, the far right HAS gained control of Ukraine's internal security. I guess you didn't notice?
Uh-huh... You were sure that ... that far-right Svoboda would gain control of Ukrainian internal security...?
Ok, completely different to your prediction of Svoboda taking over Ukraine's internal security, we have a single member of a related group (not Svoboda) being appointed to a minor government position - deputy head of internal affairs in just one region of Ukraine. Way to give yourself a 'win' for a truly terrible prediction Sig.
And just to really bring your point home, you post a photo of some completely different Azov members doing the Nazi salute. Well, here's a picture of a candidate of Front National (that French far-right but pro-Putin party you were cosying up to in the other thread) doing the Nazi salute:
In reality, since the Maidan revolution the much-hyped far-right parties Svoboda and Right Sector have completely failed to register in two national Ukrainian elections, and have gained no power in the Ukrainian government whatsoever. Meanwhile the far-right Azov battalion has won a very small amount of influence because of its reputation for tough fighting and despite its ideology.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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"Yats", the Prime Minister of Ukraine, giving the traditional Nazi salute. The person to his right (our left) is Tahnybok, the leader of the far-right Svoboda Party. 
Really, I'm far too busy to educate you on how the Nazis have become a large force in Kiev's internal security:
From the right-wing "shock troops" of the Maidan,
to the initial appointment of a right-wing politician to Kiev's Interior Ministry,
to the formation of the "national guard" consisting of (by now) battalions like the Azov and Aidar battalions - with weapons like tanks and rockets,
to the near-martial-law of Kiev,
to the outlawing of opposition parties from civil service ("lustration") and from legality
to the open appointment of Nazis to local governments,
to the near-martial-lay imposed by Kiev ....
you think that the rightwing does NOT have an outsized influence in the Kiev government?
Maybe you should read the USA cognoscenti magazine, Foreign Policy, and recognize that you are being played for a dupe:
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Pro-Russian forces have said they are fighting against Ukrainian nationalists and "fascists" in the conflict, and in the case of Azov and other battalions, these claims are essentially true.
These are no longer "predictions" but yet again another pointless expression of your bias. This really belongs in another thread. If you really want to discuss this topic, why don't you start another thread?
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/08/30/preparing-for-war-with-ukraines-fa
scist-defenders-of-freedom/
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"Yats", the Prime Minister of Ukraine, giving the traditional Nazi salute.
Sometimes politicians get snapped in poses that look like Nazi salutes, and such images get used for propaganda purposes, etc. For example here's an example of your girl-crush Marine le Pen:
So I will need better evidence than your one grainy photograph that the (part Jewish) prime minister Yats is a closet Nazi.
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Really, I'm far too busy to educate you on how the Nazis have become a large force in Kiev's internal security:
Just answer this then: who is the most powerful and influential Nazi in Ukraine's supposedly Nazi-dominated government, and what position does he occupy?
Because all I see so far is rumour and insinuation about a few individuals in low-level positions, and your own heavily biased interpretation of Kiev's actions.
As for the existence of some fascists and Nazis fighting for Ukraine - well, there are a hell of a lot of fascists and Nazis fighting for the separatists too. This quote is from a Spanish communist volunteer who fought with the separatists:
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“Half of them are communists and the other half are Nazis,” they explained. “We fought together, communists and Nazis alike […]. We all want the same: social justice and the liberation of Russia from the Ukrainian invasion.”
http://elpais.com/elpais/2015/02/27/inenglish/1425051026_915897.html?r
el=rosEP
An interesting read that article.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Quote:Well, he IS on stage with a known Nazi.
So I will need better evidence than your one grainy photograph that the (part Jewish) prime minister Yats is a closet Nazi.
There are political candidates in the USA who've been derailed for making speeches to Nazi/ KKK groups.
I didn't say (and didn't mean to imply) that Yats is a closet Nazi. What I DID intend to show... and the person with whom Yats in onstage, Nazi salute or otherwise makes the point .... is that Yats is PANDERING to Nazis. And politicians don't pander to powerless groups.
AFA the rightwing in Ukraine, the fact that there are two rather large Nazi battalions (you know what a battalion is, right?) which were formed by the Interior Ministry speaks volumes. I'm too busy to track down for you all of the rightwing appointees and their oligarch backers (I had listed them right after the coup), but I might get back to this someday. In the meantime, since you seem to find this a topic of great interest, why don't you start a new thread, since you're shitting up your own predictions thread and therefore reducing its utility.
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Quote:Yep, thanks for addressing that point. And the whole rest of the post.
I didn't say (and didn't mean to imply) that Yats is a closet Nazi. What I DID intend to show... and the person with whom Yats in onstage, Nazi salute or otherwise makes the point .... is that Yats is PANDERING to Nazis. And politicians don't pander to powerless groups.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I'll make a conditional prediction.
IF the DJIA (Dow Jones Industrial Average) drops to 15,257; then I predict that there will be a bump up to between 16,155-17,050 which might take a week or month to occur, and then at some point (weeks or months) after bumping up to 16,150 or so, it will drop far below 15,000 for an extended period (months or years).
The condition was not met. Dow is back up to new all-time high. Over 18,000.
With the DJIA dropping a bit, I will update this.
I'll make a conditional prediction.
IF the DJIA (Dow Jones Industrial Average) drops to 15,545; then I predict that there will be a bump up to between 16,460-17,375 which might take a week or month to occur, and then at some point (weeks or months) after bumping up to 16,460 or so, it will drop far below 15,000 for an extended period (months or years).
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From last year:
Auraptor - "It's growing, not melting."
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58555&p=1
From this year: "Arctic sea ice extent hits record low for winter"
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31976749
Honestly, a man could make a living betting on the exact opposite of whatever Auraptor predicts. The man is like an inverse-oracle.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Originally posted by kpo:
From last year:
Auraptor - "It's growing, not melting."
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58555&p=1
From this year: "Arctic sea ice extent hits record low for winter"
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31976749
Honestly, a man could make a living betting on the exact opposite of whatever Auraptor predicts. The man is like an inverse-oracle.
Joseph A. Olson and Dr. Tim Ball would disagree with you.
http://www.fauxscienceslayer.com/
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