Obama: We brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine
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UPDATED: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 02:45
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"By stating that maybe Iraq did have WMDs ..."
"... no, it manufactured them and hid the evidence."
Do YOU see a maybe in there krappy?
Neither do I.
Way to continue to quote out of context and again display your stunning lack of comprehension skills. Did you even read KPOs post? You do understand that the rest of us did, right?
Burrow your head deeper in the sand if it makes you feel good. The rest of us can still see your ass waving about in the wind.
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The pro-Western vote was split between 3 or 4 candidates - that's the only reason Yanukovich was level with them.
You ass. This wasn't an election where people had to choose one over the other. Each person was independently rated on their own merits. Unless you think an election with the candidates getting 260% of the votes is a valid one.
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YOU claimed that Yanukovich had over 50% support at the time he was ousted.
And I've made that claim before, with links to back it up. But the internet, being the internet, doesn't always lead you back to the results you're looking for when you search again a year later.
But then - you never post actual, yanno, evidence. So, that you're quibbling over mine is just more of the usual hypocritical double standard you so thoroughly embody.
And yes krappy still = liar.
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1a06857a-ae60-11e3-aaa6-00144feab7de.html#ix
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In the wake of turmoil, the role of Ukraine’s oligarchs is under scrutiny
By Yuri Bender
Victor Pinchuk has had a good revolution. Close friends with the Clintons and Tony Blair, and one of Ukraine’s four wealthiest and best-connected industrialists, Pinchuk’s charitable foundation is about to fly 70 demonstrators wounded during protests close to Kiev’s Maidan Nezalezhnosti (Independence Square) for treatment in Germany. Prominent during the recent turmoil, he is keen to show his continuing commitment to the activists and the new government.
“Big business, like the entire country, has been given a huge chance by the Maidan heroes to participate in the building of a new country to a certain extent from scratch,” Pinchuk told me in early March. “It will be an honour to contribute to building the freshest, most surprising, most attractive country in the world.”
As Kiev responds to promises of aid from the International Monetary Fund and the EU, most of the country remains nervously glued to their smartphones for the latest news about Russian intentions in Ukraine.
But they are also starting to ask what role the oligarchs – some of Europe’s wealthiest people with fortunes made in steel, coal, gas and banking – played in supporting the pro-EU uprisings.
The unrest has given the oligarchs a further opportunity to shake off once-shady reputations and present themselves as concerned business leaders and reputable partners for investors from European and US markets. The most vocal voice coming from the oligarchs throughout the protests, in condemning the authorities’ (alleged) brutality, was that of metals magnate Pinchuk.
We meet in his palatial glass-panelled office on the 26th floor of Kiev’s Parus Business Centre, a headquarters he incidentally shares with controversial, recently-arrested rival tycoon Dmytro Firtash.
On his desk, on top of a pile of documents, Pinchuk has a signed photograph of boxer Wladimir Klitschko – younger brother of former world heavyweight champion and presidential contender Vitali. The logo of Pinchuk’s Interpipe metallurgical mill was embossed on the younger fighter’s trunks in his title bout with Russia’s Alexander Povetkin last October. “I made the mistake of sponsoring a boxer in a fight for Ukraine versus Russia,” jokes Pinchuk, a proud supporter of the Ukrainian boxing brothers as well as a major exporter to Russia.
Crucial to delivering a future based on “European values” is Pinchuk’s hand-picking of future Ukrainian leaders, educating them in western universities and seconding them to London banks and law firms at the “right moment”, before they are seduced by the system. “I hope the people we have sent abroad will increasingly take responsibility,” he says.
Pinchuk himself had several head-starts in life. He grew up the son of art-loving parents, well connected in the metallurgical industry of Dnipropetrovsk. This Soviet powerhouse city was closed to outsiders due to its secret rocket research facility. “We used to hear our walls shaking and we didn’t know why it was,” says Yura, a weather-beaten driver in his 50s who ferries guests to Pinchuk’s environmentally friendly Interpipe factory, built on the banks of the Dnipro river, complete with art installations from Danish-Icelandic sculptor Olafur Eliasson. “Then we found out it was rockets being tested at the factory where Leonid Kuchma was a director.”
Kuchma later became president of Ukraine and soon after his daughter Olena became Pinchuk’s second wife, catapulting his businesses and personal standing from regional to national and eventually international prominence.
“Maybe I am influential, but it is the power of influence, not the influence of power,” Pinchuk says. “I don’t hold any governmental position.” “But I can establish certain benchmarks and I can share my vision about how to be more efficient in differ
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You sure are jongsie.
Somehow, you can't quite seem to discuss reality without posting knee-jerk tv/ movie tropes that reside in your head in place of actual brains. Talk about lazy. And stupid. And without any shame. Yep, you smear yourself with the same old crap. Try firing up whatever neurons you have left in your booze-pickled noggin, for a change, and think. Yeah, I know, it's painful for you. But maybe you can squeeze out an actual thought. Hell, you might even find you're proud of yourself.
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"The pro-Western vote was split between 3 or 4 candidates - that's the only reason Yanukovich was level with them."
You ass. This wasn't an election where people had to choose one over the other. Each person was independently rated on their own merits. Unless you think an election with the candidates getting 260% of the votes is a valid one.
The only poll I've seen you link comparing candidates is one asking people who they are likely to VOTE for. Unless you have another link that you've been holding back?
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"YOU claimed that Yanukovich had over 50% support at the time he was ousted."
And I've made that claim before, with links to back it up. But the internet, being the internet, doesn't always lead you back to the results you're looking for when you search again a year later.
Well at least you admit you can't back it up now, that's something.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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You dolt. This is YOUR poll.
http://www.ifes.org/Content/Publications/Press-Release/2013/2013-Publi
c-Opinion-Survey-in-Ukraine.aspx
Meanwhile - the great skepticism over Euromaydan? Crickets. The great favorable reaction to the Yanukovich agreement with Russia? Crickets. The at least 40% popular support for Yanukovich? Crickets.
Your complete delusion that the country rose as one because it could no longer stand Yanukovich and craved en masse to be as one with the EU? Still addling your brain.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
You dolt. This is YOUR poll.
http://www.ifes.org/Content/Publications/Press-Release/2013/2013-Publi
c-Opinion-Survey-in-Ukraine.aspx
Ah I see, you mean this section:
"There are low levels of confidence in all the major national leaders: President Viktor Yanukovych (69 percent little or no confidence); Head of UDAR Vitali Klitschko (52 percent little or no confidence); Prime Minister Mykola Azarov (73 percent little or no confidence); Speaker of Parliament Volodomyr Rybak (68 percent little or no confidence); Yulia Tymoshenko (67 percent little or no confidence); Head of Batkivschina Arseniy Yatsenyuk (66 percent little or no confidence); Head of Svoboda Oleh Tyahnybok (70 percent little or no confidence), and Head of the Communist Party Petro Symonenko (75 percent little or no confidence). The percent expressing little or no confidence in Yanukovych has risen from 59 percent in 2012 to 69 percent in this year’s survey."
This is what you cherry pick out of that survey, as evidence of Yanukovich's polling not being terrible?? And you say:
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But EVERYBODY'S poll numbers were low. It's not like Yanukovych was an exception. In you own post, he was somewhat better than average.
Please explain what method of averaging you used? I get:
Mean - 67.4%
Median - 68%
Mode - n/a
Yanukovich - 69% (i.e. worse)
And that's even with the data set skewed by the inclusion of unpopular groups like Svoboda, and the Communists. Take them out and Yanuk and his cronies come dead last... As I say, WHICHEVER way you look at this, Yanuk was hopelessly unpopular.
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Meanwhile - the great skepticism over Euromaydan? Crickets. The great favorable reaction to the Yanukovich agreement with Russia? Crickets.
Yawn, not what we were even talking about.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Originally posted by G:Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
< image of a giant, Jurasic sized sh*t pile >
Yep - that's what you call a real "Data Dump." The twins like to do that, drop a load in a thread and say, "see?!" It's usually dotted with conspiracy buzzwords like, "Oligarch, IMF, evidence [sic] etc." the usual troll talking points direct from the Kremlin by way of social media.
And they're both squirters too. Imagine the odds on that!
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